Cooking the Books . . . .Off & Running !

[CaptnKirk]

This might be quite a ride

 

[burnedout]

I swear, 5 minutes ago, I was thinking of the exact same phrase - "cooking the books" - while reading that particular report off Yahoo.

Yeah, this might get ugly. We'll see how it pans out.

 

[Insane3D]

I am interested to see how this develops. Of course, all those military guys are probably just Bash hating, liberal whacko, peace pussies though.

 

[etech]

A growing number of U.S. national security professionals

What is the number, two, three? It seems the only ones quoted are ones that retired last years or a former U.N. weapons inspector who now heads his own organzation with its own agenda.

I don't see much to get excited about yet.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I am interested to see how this develops. Of course, all those military guys are probably just Bash hating, liberal whacko, peace pussies though.

What military guys?

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: etech

A growing number of U.S. national security professionals

What is the number, two, three? It seems the only ones quoted are ones that retired last years or a former U.N. weapons inspector who now heads his own organzation with its own agenda.

I don't see much to get excited about yet.

How about Colin Powell and Jack Straw?
Link

Jack Straw and his US counterpart, Colin Powell, privately expressed serious doubts about the quality of intelligence on Iraq's banned weapons programme at the very time they were publicly trumpeting it to get UN support for a war on Iraq, the Guardian has learned.

Mr Powell shared the concern about intelligence assessments, especially those being presented by the Pentagon's office of special plans set up by the US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz.

You getting excited??

 

[etech]

You getting excited??

Get excited about a story in the Guardian? You should know better than that.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: etech

A growing number of U.S. national security professionals

What is the number, two, three? It seems the only ones quoted are ones that retired last years or a former U.N. weapons inspector who now heads his own organzation with its own agenda.

I don't see much to get excited about yet.

How about Colin Powell and Jack Straw?
Link

Jack Straw and his US counterpart, Colin Powell, privately expressed serious doubts about the quality of intelligence on Iraq's banned weapons programme at the very time they were publicly trumpeting it to get UN support for a war on Iraq, the Guardian has learned.

Mr Powell shared the concern about intelligence assessments, especially those being presented by the Pentagon's office of special plans set up by the US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz.

You getting excited??

A "secret" meeting that lasts 10 minutes complete with transcript. Carried by who else but the Guardian. Oh yeah lets prosecute.

 

[etech]

I thought this was interesting.

David Albright Fri May 30

"The normal processing of establishing accurate intelligence was sidestepped" in the runup to invading Iraq, said David Albright, a former U.N. weapons inspector who is president of the Institute for Science and International Security and who deals with U.S. intelligence officers.

David Albright February 4, 2003
Why Did Iraq Increase the Diameter of Its Missiles?

On January 27, 2003, Hans Blix, the Executive Director of UNMOVIC, reported to the UN Security Council that, in violation of 1994 orders by the inspectors, Iraq had increased the diameter of its Al Samoud missile to 760 millimeters. This new diameter is dangerously close to enabling this missile to carry a type of nuclear warhead that Iraq was developing prior to the Persian Gulf War in 1991. That one-tonne nuclear warhead design called for a diameter of 800 millimeters.

Iraq is obligated to limit the diameter of its missiles to less than 600 millimeters and their range to less than 150 kilometers. Inspectors assessed that Iraq could not mount a nuclear warhead on a missile with a diameter less than 600 millimeters. Thus, any effort by Iraq to increase the diameter of its missiles raises serious questions as to whether Iraq is seeking to make its missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons.

After Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, it launched a crash nuclear program to build a nuclear weapon. Because its domestic uranium enrichment programs had not yet produced highly enriched uranium (HEU), Iraq decided to secretly divert a stock of safeguarded HEU that it had obtained from France and Russia for use as fuel in its civil research reactors.

In parallel to converting the HEU into weapons components, Iraq accelerated its development of a nuclear warhead for a ballistic missile. Iraq viewed a ballistic missile as its main nuclear delivery system.

Iraq was developing a modified version of the Al Abid missile with a range of 1,000 kilometers and a nuclear warhead with a mass of over one tonne and a diameter of 1,250 millimeters. This missile, however, could not be developed soon enough for use in the crash program.

Iraq's crash program was concentrating on a modified Al Hussein missile with a range of 650 kilometers. This missile, which was narrower than the Al Abid, required a nuclear warhead with a diameter of only 800 millimeters. Iraq planned to finish developing this missile and a one-tonne nuclear warhead of this diameter by the summer of 1991. As a back-up option, Iraq was working on a one-tonne nuclear warhead for its existing Al Hussein missile that had a range of 300 kilometers.

Iraq made little progress on the smaller nuclear warhead designs by the time the Persian Gulf War started in January 1991. However, it could have made progress on these designs in the last 12 years, particularly in the last four years when the inspectors were absent from Iraq. As a result, the increase in diameter of the Al Samoud missile must be investigated thoroughly, particularly focusing on any connections to an Iraqi nuclear weapons program."

 

[HappyPuppy]

:Q

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[Insane3D]

Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

Why do you find it interesting?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I am interested to see how this develops. Of course, all those military guys are probably just Bash hating, liberal whacko, peace pussies though.

What military guys?

From the yahoo article...

The top Marine Corps officer in Iraq, Lt. Gen. James Conway, said on Friday U.S. intelligence was "simply wrong" in leading military commanders to fear troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons in the March invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam.

Damn peace pussy liberals in out Marines...damn them!

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

Why do you find it interesting?

Why do you wonder why I find it interesting?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

Why do you find it interesting?

Why do you wonder why I find it interesting?

I thought you might have changed your ways from the useless nef posts you have been posting recently. Apparently that is not the case. My mistake.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

Why do you find it interesting?

Why do you wonder why I find it interesting?

I thought you might have changed your ways from the useless nef posts you have been posting recently. Apparently that is not the case. My mistake.

I thought you might have changed your ways and developed a sense of humor, Apparently that is not the case. My mistake.

 

[Insane3D]

U.S. general: Lack of Iraqi WMD 'a surprise'

"Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition-supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, and they're simply not there."

Also, another article regarding the Pentagon saying Wolfowitz's comments in Vanity Fair were taken out of context..

Pentagon challenges Vanity Fair report

"Vanity Fair only used a portion of the deputy secretary's quote," the source said. "Their omission completely misrepresents what he was saying. The complete quote makes clear that there were multiple reasons for the use of military forces against Iraq."

I hope my posts are "etech approved"..

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Here's an interesting article...

Comments fuel doubts over Iraq?s weapons

Why do you find it interesting?

Why do you wonder why I find it interesting?

I thought you might have changed your ways from the useless nef posts you have been posting recently. Apparently that is not the case. My mistake.

I thought you might have changed your ways and developed a sense of humor, Apparently that is not the case. My mistake.

You posted a joke? Well the article you posted fits that description but I assume that wasn't what you were refering to. Point your joke out son, teach me about your sense of humor since you place so much store in it.

 

[Insane3D]

You posted a joke? Well the article you posted fits that description but I assume that wasn't what you were refering to. Point your joke out son, teach me about your sense of humor since you place so much store in it.

First off, I'm not your son. Second, I didn't say I posted a joke, I just said I thought you had developed a sense of humor and I was wrong. You made a claim about my posting style, and I made a claim about your sense of humor, or lack there of. I have posted a link to three articles I thought were relevant to this discussion, but apparently you think I am "neffing". If you are going to ask stupid questions of me, expect the same back.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

You posted a joke? Well the article you posted fits that description but I assume that wasn't what you were refering to. Point your joke out son, teach me about your sense of humor since you place so much store in it.

First off, I'm not your son. Second, I didn't say I posted a joke, I just said I thought you had developed a sense of humor and I was wrong. You made a claim about my posting style, and I made a claim about your sense of humor, or lack there of. I have posted a link to three articles I thought were relevant to this discussion, but apparently you think I am "neffing". If you are going to ask stupid questions of me, expect the same back.

Yes, you are not my son, I can count my blessings for that. My kids don't act like little spoiled brats.

You didn't post a joke and than complain that I don't have a sense of humor. That's rather stupid of you.

You posted an article and said it was interesting. I asked why you thought it was interesting. That was my way of saying what in that article was relevant. If you couldn't answer that question you could have just said so.

 

[Insane3D]

Yes, you are not my son, I can count my blessings for that. My kids don't act like little spoiled brats.

Now you are the one sounding like a...err..nevermind..I won't stoop to your level. Let me get this straight though. You think that by reading my posts here, you can discern how I act in...you know..real life? You have no idea about who I am, so do us both a favor and don't assume to know me. There is an old joke about assuming, oh wait, you don't understand humor in any form. I almost want to say I feel bad for your kids, but since I don't know you other than your posts here, I won't do anything silly and judge who you are by your posts on an internet forum.

You didn't post a joke and than complain that I don't have a sense of humor. That's rather stupid of you.

Ahhh...the need to resort to personal attacks...the tool of the truly ignorant. As I said before, but you seem to need everything explained several times, is that you made a comment about my posting, so I made a comment about you using your sentence structure. Simple...err..to everyone but you that is.

You posted an article and said it was interesting. I asked why you thought it was interesting. That was my way of saying what in that article was relevant. If you couldn't answer that question you could have just said so.

Well, maybe you should have just said.. "What in that article was relevant?". The article refers to to the topic at hand. If you can't understand that, than that is your problem, and not my duty to explain it to you.


Tell you what etech, you don't like my posts, that's your problem and you need to deal with it. This is a public forum that is moderated. I will post in any manner or style I choose, and if the mods have a problem with it, they can take the appropiate action. I'm done arguing with you, and I think we should let the thread get back on topic. Have a nice evening..

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I am interested to see how this develops. Of course, all those military guys are probably just Bash hating, liberal whacko, peace pussies though.

What military guys?

From the yahoo article...

The top Marine Corps officer in Iraq, Lt. Gen. James Conway, said on Friday U.S. intelligence was "simply wrong" in leading military commanders to fear troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons in the March invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam.

Damn peace pussy liberals in out Marines...damn them!

WTF are you talking about. No sh!t the intel was wrong, there was no attack. I didn't need Lt. Gen. Obvious to tell me that. That is all he's doing you know. Just stating the obvious. Intel is constantly wrong. If you had the right clearance . . .

 

[Moonbeam]

etech, why would anybody assume you know what's relevant. What was irrelevant was your question. It ws also stupid.

 

[Moonbeam]

WTF are you talking about. No sh!t the intel was wrong, there was no attack. I didn't need Lt. Gen. Obvious to tell me that. That is all he's doing you know. Just stating the obvious. Intel is constantly wrong. If you had the right clearance . . .
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He said wrong, but others are saying cooked. Cooked would be wrong no?, but of another dimension than error.