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Diamond Member
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TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
He makes some very valid observations.
However, I'm not sure he's aware of all the facts:
1) According to the Disaster Preparedness Plan for New Orleans, the city was tasked to provide transportation and safe shelter for anyone who required it and particularly for those with "special needs," which is the exact prhase used in the plan.
2) Notification of a large, Cat 4 storm hitting NOLA was predicted at least 24 hrs. before the evacuation notice was provided.
3) Getting looted 10 times is more desireable than losing your life once.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
Condor, all I meant was that everyone helping can't possibly be Republican, unless I just switched teams when I signed up to host someone, and sent $75 (all I can afford) to the Red Cross. Man I'm not one of these guys calling you names, and just trying to get a rise out of you. I'm just pointing out that you have no way of knowing the political affiliation of everyone that is doing their personal best to help out a fellow human being. Please don't include me in the pissing match.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
ROFL
:laugh:
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
You are right of course and help at all levels is human not partisan. P&N, however is very partisan. Believe it or not, I don't hate Democrats or liberals and I am not a staunch Republican. I am sorry for the undeserved attack. Many of us here do go at it pretty hard. It is what we do.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
It was "discussed" by calling the person who posted it a troll.
GamerExpress
Banned
I second that, I guess some of you don't watch this disaster on TV. DO NOT BLAME THESE PEOPLE FOR THE HORRIBLE RESPONSE FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION. The majority of the people that were left behind simply did not have the means to evacuate, since they are underprivleged in many ways from those who could evacuate I guess you agree with forgetting about them. It is a shame that the administration and people like the OP don't care about those less fortunate, but then again Mr. Bush was too busy on vacation to pay attention to the tragedy, poor him.....he had to cut his month long vacation short to actually try and save face from this most obvious screw up. KEEP FVCKING UP BUSH, I WILL JUST SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT YOU AND YOUR SUPPORTER'S AS YOU GO DOWN AS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.
CrimsonChaos
Senior member
Posted this in another thread, but I can't find it now. Anyway, since this topic keeps coming up again and again...and again and again... I guess it doesn't hurt to post twice.
First, why does it seem everything is turning into a Political debate or a race-issue? It was a hurricane, regardless of who was in office, there would have been a hurricane. You can question the response of the President, but frankly mine wouldn't be much different (except I couldn't feign concern as he has done recently).
It may sound callous, but it is my understanding that a majority of people stranded in New Orleans are there because either 1) they chose not to leave, 2) they were too poor to leave, or 3) medical issues. To those with medical issues, I do sympathize.
To those who chose to stay there, I feel no sympathy. You were given 3 days warning, you made your choice, now you suffer the consequences.
To those who are too poor to leave, I feel no sympathy. Personally, I am tired of poor people waiting for hand-outs and contributing nothing to society. People are usually poor for one of three reasons: laziness, stupidity, or health issues. Again, to those with health issues I sympathize.
As for the rest, I find it difficult to believe that any healthy person with half-a-brain and some motivation is unable to secure a job that could afford them a means of transportation. They are irresponsible people who always want something for nothing. My guess is, many of those stranded due to poverty were on government-aid programs such as Welfare or food stamps. Now, once again, they just sit and wait for the government to bail them out.
It's time to stop enabling the poor. You don't let a child breast-feed forever -- you wean them off gradually. The same must be done with the poor -- break them of this mentality that they can contribute nothing while still using our resources.
First, why does it seem everything is turning into a Political debate or a race-issue? It was a hurricane, regardless of who was in office, there would have been a hurricane. You can question the response of the President, but frankly mine wouldn't be much different (except I couldn't feign concern as he has done recently).
It may sound callous, but it is my understanding that a majority of people stranded in New Orleans are there because either 1) they chose not to leave, 2) they were too poor to leave, or 3) medical issues. To those with medical issues, I do sympathize.
To those who chose to stay there, I feel no sympathy. You were given 3 days warning, you made your choice, now you suffer the consequences.
To those who are too poor to leave, I feel no sympathy. Personally, I am tired of poor people waiting for hand-outs and contributing nothing to society. People are usually poor for one of three reasons: laziness, stupidity, or health issues. Again, to those with health issues I sympathize.
As for the rest, I find it difficult to believe that any healthy person with half-a-brain and some motivation is unable to secure a job that could afford them a means of transportation. They are irresponsible people who always want something for nothing. My guess is, many of those stranded due to poverty were on government-aid programs such as Welfare or food stamps. Now, once again, they just sit and wait for the government to bail them out.
It's time to stop enabling the poor. You don't let a child breast-feed forever -- you wean them off gradually. The same must be done with the poor -- break them of this mentality that they can contribute nothing while still using our resources.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Don't blame the administration for the horrible response from the city of NO and the state of LA. Your shrill, small-minded, myopic rants attepting to pin this problem on Bush has people laughing at YOU, and you seem to oblivious to that. But keep it up. Every time you do it and every day further you cackle like hens about Bush, all while failing to recognize that the root of this problem sits directly on the shoulders of the mayor of NO, is just another reason for everyone to shake their heads at your trollish behavior and laugh at exactly what embiciles people like you and the rest of the rotating heads like you are.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I've said it before, and I'll say it again (probably to deaf ears) to you and Conjur:
You're disrespecting the gravity of this situation with your harsh political rhetoric. It's not helpful. I think it's incredibly foolish to pin all the blame for this situation on any one person, be it the Mayor of NO or the President. You're both being disingenuous in your positions in my view, but in a sense that's irrelevant. I'm asking you to back off the viciousness. If you prefer to ignore me, fine, but I'd like to see us all take a deep breath and view this situation as an opportunity to work together, not as an occasion for more partisan blustering.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
I'm addressing the troll above far more than making little partisan rants. Also, I notice you keep making your little sanctimonious statements about this, but virtually every time you do you're replying to someone on the opposite ideological spectrum from yourself while merely appearing to toss in some appearance of impartiality as to whom your replies are directed. So, in a way, you are contributing to the problem because it noticeable and does tend to fall on deaf ears because of the perception of what you're doing and how you're going about it. If you want to nip this in the bud, reply specifically to conjur, BBond (who's been particularly shrill about this), GamerExpress, Umbrella, and the rest of the rant-fest crew when they go off the deep end. I can virtually guarantee that when (or if) you reign in their shrill proclamations about this situation that you won't hear sharp responses coming back from the regular opposition in here.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Still trying to mischaracterize me, eh? Let's see. In this thread people tried to pull the race card on me. They tried to tag me as someone who is not compassionate. They called me a liar, though I will gladly back up any and all claims I made.
Aww. But the poor babies failed miserably once again. Despite striving mightily to discredit me, you only discredit yourselves by looking so transparently and moronically foolish in your attempts.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Keep failing, Mr. Transparent.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
::yawn::
Don with your tiresome personal trolling yet, Mr. Simpletoon?
Bowfinger
Lifer
State and local governments, especially in relatively poor areas like New Orleans, are simply not equipped for something of this magnitude. I agree that all parties involved have performed poorly, but this especially and specifically includes the federal government, the only organization that can even begin to respond to such a calamity.
Spin as you must, but the Bush administration shares culpability due to decisions they made in the last 4.5 years and due to their lethargic, tepid response to this disaster as it unfolded. The Bush administration did not cause it, but they could have saved hundreds, perhaps even thousands of lives had they acted more quickly and decisively. Sorry. It is a shameful failure of government at all levels.
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