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Convincing these guys that

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AzWeThinkWeis

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my friend whom has taught me alot, told me that 2500+ are really 2.5ghz p4 terms, I'm pretty sure this is correct but I don't know why, I have a Barton Core 2500+ and I OCed it to 3200+ so right now I am running at 3.2ghz right? Can someone please give me an indept explanation why 2500+ AMD chips run at 1.8-2.2 ghz in AMD terms but actually run at 2,5ghz in P4 terms? I hope my info is correct.

see im trying to tell a few people at another forum that AMDs 1.8ghz = 2.5ghz for INtel but all they say is that I am a newb and that i don't know jack [Eartha Kitt] aobut waht I am talking aobut and im making up all these speed and values in my head, I wanna shut these guys up, I know I'm right and I jsut can't explain it to them I say AMD does more work percycle but they don't seem to see that.

"There is no "AMD Terms" and "Intel Terms"
A Ghz value is an exact value, doesnt make a difference which company made it."

^ that's what one guy said..ARGGH!!
 
its a naming technique - intel has always been clock emphasis - so when they name their cpus - its by the clock

amd chips can do what p4 chips can do at a slower clock - hance amd uses a naming technique to convey what their chips can do -

so a 1800+ can do what a p4 1.8 can do - but the 1800 is no clocked lower than the p4
 
AthlonXP = tweaked V8
Pentium4 = turbocharged 4-cylinder

The V8 might not be able to hit 6500rpm, but it can still compete with the high-rpm turbo 4 on horsepower and beat it on torque. I think the Pentium4's with the 800MHz bus speed could merit being called a turbocharged 6, however 🙂
 
well those are good replies guys, but i dont think i can convince them using a b8/turbo cahrged 4 cylinder comparison, if someone can give me an indept on how AMD and Intel works, and how AMD cpu's like 2500+ are really 2.5ghz in INtel Terms. They say I'm making sutff up like AMD/INtel terms they say there is no such thing.

"You should be comparing benchmarks not Ghz values, the fact that you arent (And especially making up your own scale and speed right in your head) shows you are a newb

thats all i gotta say "

another quote ARGGH! this is really pissing me off cause I know I'm right.
 
You might also show them this page. If GHz is all that matters, why is a 2.4GHz Celeron being annihilated by a 1.8GHz Pentium4, a 1.6GHz Duron, and a 1.47GHz AthlonXP? Ask your critics to explain that one 🙂
 
do you guys have a link as to where i can go chat with an AMD representative

i want you guys to explain to me why a 2500+ wich is 1.8ghz performs as 2.5ghz for intel, a good long info heh
 
It can do more calculations per clock cycle, so it can do the same amount of work at less speed.

I'm pretty sure thats the basic idea, might have gotten a technical term messed up 😉

Also it depends
A 3200+ XP < 3.2 ghz P4 < Althon 64 3200+

Thats without considering overclocking. And not for encoding, the intel wins with that.
 
Are you familiar with the Pentium-M?? It goes by the same naming scheme as intel (which will be changing to the BMW naming scheme shortly). Basically an Athlon does more work per clock cycle which in turn makes it appear slower on paper. That analogy of the turbocharged v4/v6 was an excellent and easy to understand one, I liked it!
 
Originally posted by: AzWeThinkWeis
do you guys have a link as to where i can go chat with an AMD representative

i want you guys to explain to me why a 2500+ wich is 1.8ghz performs as 2.5ghz for intel, a good long info heh
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LOL, did you notice the 4 posts which already explained your question? It does'nt take an amd representative to explain this.

BTW, you mentioned that you had an overclocked cpu... How did you overclock it if you have no clue what speed its running at????
 
Originally posted by: AzWeThinkWeis
do you guys have a link as to where i can go chat with an AMD representative

i want you guys to explain to me why a 2500+ wich is 1.8ghz performs as 2.5ghz for intel, a good long info heh
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No offense meant, but if you need us to put words into your mouth to explain why an AthlonXP performs like a higher-clocked Penitium4, then I think you probably are a newbie. 😉 Not that there's anything wrong with that... I like newbies, as long as they don't go on cross-posting rampages 😀
 
1. Clock speed is how many times a chip "does something" per second.
2. Each time it "does something" the AMD chip gets more done. Think of lifting weights, carrying boxes, etc. and the intel is a 98-pound weakling
3. total work per second = (times it does something) * (amount done each time)
 
Huh ... AMD 2500XP - a 2.5ghz ? Uh NO ... an AMD 2500XP IS = to ( in Ghz ) 1.83ghz, the 2500 label is just that, a label, same for the series. intel will following suit with their next generation and giving their CPU's a label that will not specify the CPU speed as such.
 
Originally posted by: Snoop
Originally posted by: AzWeThinkWeis
do you guys have a link as to where i can go chat with an AMD representative

i want you guys to explain to me why a 2500+ wich is 1.8ghz performs as 2.5ghz for intel, a good long info heh
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LOL, did you notice the 4 posts which already explained your question? It does'nt take an amd representative to explain this.

BTW, you mentioned that you had an overclocked cpu... How did you overclock it if you have no clue what speed its running at????
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I have told them about AMD doing more clock per cycle than INTELS, itsl ike intel makes 2,500trips while AMD only makes 1,800 trips to get where Intel is at, but they don't believe me. I overlocked my barton with just upping the fsb and the vcore, because my barton core is locked so I can't mess with the mulitplier wtc..
 
Just tell them to buy a P4 1.8ghz if they don't think the 1.83ghz 2500+ AMD chip will be faster. Then get them to run pifast and compare that to the score on the AMD 2500+. At that point they will experience an epiphany and will begin to cry because they wasted their money. At that point you can say "I told you so". 😛
 
but they don't believe me
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Maybe you need to show them some evidence online or something. Because this is the truth, no one is going to deny it. (except for people who have no idea on the subject)
 
Originally posted by: ath50
but they don't believe me
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Maybe you need to show them some evidence online or something. Because this is the truth, no one is going to deny it. (except for people who have no idea on the subject)
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what kind of proof/evidence? that's waht I was talking about when I asked for a chat with an AMD represntative, atleast wahtever he says is the truth even though all of you guys are right, i tohught it would be best coming from an AMD rep and posting the convo on the other forum
 
Originally posted by: XplosiV
Huh ... AMD 2500XP - a 2.5ghz ? Uh NO ... an AMD 2500XP IS = to ( in Ghz ) 1.83ghz, the 2500 label is just that, a label, same for the series. intel will following suit with their next generation and giving their CPU's a label that will not specify the CPU speed as such.
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what do you guys think of xplosiv's post on the matter?
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
How did you manage to overclock your computer? 😕
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I already said, i upped the fsb to 200mhz and locked my RAM cause I have 2 sticks one is 3200 and the other is 2100, so I locked both at the speed of the 2100 wich is 133mhz so I won't kill it, then I upped the vcore because if I let it stay at 1.5v I would be unstable so I upped it to 1.75 to give it more power and make it more stable. 2500+ - 3200+
 
I think he means the XP 2500+ runs at 1.83ghz, not that its comparable to and intel offering running at 1.83ghz, because it would definitely be much better than any intel chip at 1.83 ghz. The XP line is (not considering overclocking) not totally equal to intel suggested by its name (like a 3200XP is not as good as a P4 3.2C, but it is a lot better than what you would think from its ghz speed. And its also much better price/performance value in comparison to intel.

I remember reading that the XP rating is supposed to be what the ghz speed of a comparable Thunderbird chip would be if they made one, not a P4.
 
Also the basis of the AMD naming was not that it can do what a P4 could do, it was on the performance increce. So say, an AMD 2500 although clocks 1.83ghz, gave an overall performance increce of say 25% or simalar. Either way, it was a performance based label which was much confused by people thinking it was the clock speed.
 
"There is no "AMD Terms" and "Intel Terms"
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< that is correct. GHZ is the measurement of speed for a CPU. If an intel 2500 works at 1.83ghz and an intel works at 2.2ghz, then the amd can not be faster. However taking into account the AMD when plugged into a board, the FSB of the board its in, speed of ram and cashe, all influance the performance of the processor, so although an Intel clocks faster, the amd might perform better evan though it clocks slower. - In one of these posts i'll make the right point lol - Anyway, an AMD 1.83 ( 2500 ) will never out clock an intel 2.2, but it can perform better depending on the overall system specs
 
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