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Convicted terrorists given cruel and unusual punishment

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CanOWorms

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German Neo-Nazis Convicted of Bomb Plan

By Associated Press

April 5, 2005, 10:06 PM EDT

MUNICH, Germany -- A court convicted five German neo-Nazis Tuesday in a a plot to bomb the dedication of a Munich synagogue and community center in 2003. All were sentenced to probation.

Four defendants -- three women and one man, ages 18 to 23 -- were found guilty of membership in a terrorist organization, a serious charge rarely applied in Germany against the extreme right.

The fifth defendant, a 38-year-old man, was convicted of aiding the group by obtaining explosives and of illegal possessing a firearm.

The Munich state court sentenced the defendants to probation ranging from 16 months to 22 months.

The plot's alleged ringleader and head of the "Kameradschaft Sued" extreme-right group, Martin Wiese, is being tried separately in Munich. He has denied any attack was planned.

The defendants knew that explosives were being collecting for "a huge thing," in Wiese's words, Judge Bernd von Heintschel-Heinegg said.

Their goal was clearly to "bring about a political coup in a bloody revolution," he said.

Police said in September 2003 that they had foiled the attack, seizing nearly 4 pounds of TNT, 31 pounds of suspected explosives and two hand grenades in raids.

The German president and top Jewish leaders attended the Nov. 9, 2003, dedication of the new Jewish center.

Nov. 9 is the anniversary of the Nazis' 1938 Kristallnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, pogrom during which more than 1,000 synagogues were vandalized, about 100 Jews were killed and thousands more were deported to concentration camps.
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Wow, 16-22 months of probation! You would think that they wouldn't want terrorists around in their society. This is a slap in the face to the UN Human Rights Panel - they've begged Germany to take actions against these types of terrorists and then this happens a few days later.
 
Convicted terrorists given cruel and unusual punishment
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There is no such thing as cruel and unusual punishment when it comes to convicted terrorists. You could feed them into a wood chipper for all I care.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
German Neo-Nazis Convicted of Bomb Plan

By Associated Press

April 5, 2005, 10:06 PM EDT

MUNICH, Germany -- A court convicted five German neo-Nazis Tuesday in a a plot to bomb the dedication of a Munich synagogue and community center in 2003. All were sentenced to probation.

Four defendants -- three women and one man, ages 18 to 23 -- were found guilty of membership in a terrorist organization, a serious charge rarely applied in Germany against the extreme right.

The fifth defendant, a 38-year-old man, was convicted of aiding the group by obtaining explosives and of illegal possessing a firearm.

The Munich state court sentenced the defendants to probation ranging from 16 months to 22 months.

The plot's alleged ringleader and head of the "Kameradschaft Sued" extreme-right group, Martin Wiese, is being tried separately in Munich. He has denied any attack was planned.

The defendants knew that explosives were being collecting for "a huge thing," in Wiese's words, Judge Bernd von Heintschel-Heinegg said.

Their goal was clearly to "bring about a political coup in a bloody revolution," he said.

Police said in September 2003 that they had foiled the attack, seizing nearly 4 pounds of TNT, 31 pounds of suspected explosives and two hand grenades in raids.

The German president and top Jewish leaders attended the Nov. 9, 2003, dedication of the new Jewish center.

Nov. 9 is the anniversary of the Nazis' 1938 Kristallnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, pogrom during which more than 1,000 synagogues were vandalized, about 100 Jews were killed and thousands more were deported to concentration camps.
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Wow, 16-22 months of probation! You would think that they wouldn't want terrorists around in their society. This is a slap in the face to the UN Human Rights Panel - they've begged Germany to take actions against these types of terrorists and then this happens a few days later.
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God you're paranoid! I can't help but think you're joking!?
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
German Neo-Nazis Convicted of Bomb Plan

By Associated Press

April 5, 2005, 10:06 PM EDT

MUNICH, Germany -- A court convicted five German neo-Nazis Tuesday in a a plot to bomb the dedication of a Munich synagogue and community center in 2003. All were sentenced to probation.

Four defendants -- three women and one man, ages 18 to 23 -- were found guilty of membership in a terrorist organization, a serious charge rarely applied in Germany against the extreme right.

The fifth defendant, a 38-year-old man, was convicted of aiding the group by obtaining explosives and of illegal possessing a firearm.

The Munich state court sentenced the defendants to probation ranging from 16 months to 22 months.

The plot's alleged ringleader and head of the "Kameradschaft Sued" extreme-right group, Martin Wiese, is being tried separately in Munich. He has denied any attack was planned.

The defendants knew that explosives were being collecting for "a huge thing," in Wiese's words, Judge Bernd von Heintschel-Heinegg said.

Their goal was clearly to "bring about a political coup in a bloody revolution," he said.

Police said in September 2003 that they had foiled the attack, seizing nearly 4 pounds of TNT, 31 pounds of suspected explosives and two hand grenades in raids.

The German president and top Jewish leaders attended the Nov. 9, 2003, dedication of the new Jewish center.

Nov. 9 is the anniversary of the Nazis' 1938 Kristallnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, pogrom during which more than 1,000 synagogues were vandalized, about 100 Jews were killed and thousands more were deported to concentration camps.
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Wow, 16-22 months of probation! You would think that they wouldn't want terrorists around in their society. This is a slap in the face to the UN Human Rights Panel - they've begged Germany to take actions against these types of terrorists and then this happens a few days later.
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God you're paranoid! I can't help but think you're joking!?
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Oh right, trying to blow up Jews in a coordinated effort and getting only 16-22 months of probation is not a big deal. After all, they're only Jews, right?

I am extremely shocked when the offspring of former Nazis in Germany are trying to kill the same Jews their fathers and grandfathers killed. No really, I'm shocked.
 
Originally posted by: alp
well, there'll always be extremists. the question is why the court gave such a short sentence?
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I think that is the consensus.... but the title is misleading, I thought they were beheaded or something and the OP was complaining that it was cruel and unusual punishment.
 
check you sarcasm meters people. Besides, I think he knew the title would have all the libs coming in here with a fury. 😛
 
Originally posted by: dornick
check you sarcasm meters people. Besides, I think he knew the title would have all the libs coming in here with a fury. 😛
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Yup, got me in here right quick. And I'm still in a fury, I agree with Can o' Worms, conspiricy to commit a terrrorist act should have jail time. Period.
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: dornick
check you sarcasm meters people. Besides, I think he knew the title would have all the libs coming in here with a fury. 😛
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Yup, got me in here right quick. And I'm still in a fury, I agree with Can o' Worms, conspiricy to commit a terrrorist act should have jail time. Period.
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I agree... especially since these folks even had a real trial and everything.
 
I've moderated my position somewhat.

If this plan did not involve hurting anyone, then a light sentence may be appropriate. It's basically conspiricy to commit arson in that case. Though sentencing it a bit stronger because it is a hate crime may be appropriate even in that case.
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
I've moderated my position somewhat.

If this plan did not involve hurting anyone, then a light sentence may be appropriate. It's basically conspiricy to commit arson in that case. Though sentencing it a bit stronger because it is a hate crime may be appropriate even in that case.
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It did involve hurting people since they planned on bombing the dedication ceremony which was going to be attended by the German president and Jewish leaders and obviously others.
 
Wow...I'm not saying they should be beat because there are always extremeists...but just probation? Not any time in jail?

Then again the bigger question would be whether jail time will change their views, or whether they'll be right at it again.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
If they had brown skin, I'm sure that they would have had a much more strict sentence.
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Yup. I'm still surprised that they let them off so easily considering that they were convicted as terrorists and planning to assassinate a political leader.
 
Remember, this is in Germany and they have their own standards. They let that wacko that stabbed Monica Seles off with a really minor sentence, too.
 
Maybe they're including time served? From 2003 that means an extra, well, two years.

Hmm. Weird. Maybe they're quietly cooperating with the state and providing information on others.
 
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