Convict killed judge in courtroom

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Anubis

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Regarding the female deputy:
According to hospital sources, the deputy sustained significant brain injury, facial fractures and a large laceration to her forehead. After the attack, her condition was reported as critical, but she survived. Deputy Hall's injuries were so severe that Grady Memorial Hospital Doctors initially believed that she had sustained a gunshot wound to the face.

based on that he prob would have gotten the gun away from a dude as well

No. She was just small and weak and lacked the physicality to be in a dangerous job. She was only 5'1, very small.

and your point, the dude seriously could have fucked up a male guard just as easisily, it only takes 1 punch it could just as eaisily happen as not happen

I can't believe that people are so blinded by the PC craze that they can't admit obvious points. This guy wasn't huge, he was only 6'1, 210. She was just exceptionally small for a police officer at 5'1.

I've seen the video of this. It was obvious from watching the video that her small size is the reason that he was able to overpower her so easily.

You're trying so hard to sound politically correct that you're coming off as an idiot who can't see what is factually correct. A 5'1 woman is not hard to injure. She's got less muscle, less leverage, lighter bones, etc.

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Regarding the female deputy:
According to hospital sources, the deputy sustained significant brain injury, facial fractures and a large laceration to her forehead. After the attack, her condition was reported as critical, but she survived. Deputy Hall's injuries were so severe that Grady Memorial Hospital Doctors initially believed that she had sustained a gunshot wound to the face.

based on that he prob would have gotten the gun away from a dude as well

No. She was just small and weak and lacked the physicality to be in a dangerous job. She was only 5'1, very small.

and your point, the dude seriously could have fucked up a male guard just as easisily, it only takes 1 punch it could just as eaisily happen as not happen

I SERIOUSLY doubt he would have done this with a male guard.

You are supposed to escort them with one hand on them on their arms above their cuffed hands or on their back and one hand on your unbuttoned gun ready to fire or even using an unholstered gun. At the first sign of him suddenly moving or turning or whatever, she should have been far enough behind him to draw her gun and shot his ass. That is her job. There is no time to go, "Ohhh, WTF IS HE DOING, WHAT DO I DO NOW?". You have to be ready to shoot the asshole in the head or body at the first sign of him resisting, and not even stop to think about it. And if there is any hesitation in your mind about doing this, you should not be a prison guard or a prisoner escort in the first place.

I just read the facts of the incident. She had no business alone with him while changing clothing. What, did she want a piece of chocolate before the trial? I mean WTF was she thinking.
 

WaTaGuMp

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I will post the obligitory, wow I am shocked to hear this I knew him and he seemed like a nice guy. :D
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: waggy
who cares if the gaurd was a female?

Well, for starters the ones he killed with her gun might take issue with that fact.

Also she must not have resisted too much, since he didn't even shoot her after he took the weapon, too. Even though he obviously beat the crap out of her. Since he shot many people with the gun, it sounds like he managed to get her belt off, and grab her keys to the cuffs, and spare ammo, to boot.

There are some instances where women guards or cops should not be allowed to accompany male inmates, and this would obviously be one of them. The convict most likely outweighed her by at least 2 or 3 times as much. There is just no excuse for this happening, especially if she was escorting this over sized asshole to court on her alone.

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Regarding the female deputy:
According to hospital sources, the deputy sustained significant brain injury, facial fractures and a large laceration to her forehead. After the attack, her condition was reported as critical, but she survived. Deputy Hall's injuries were so severe that Grady Memorial Hospital Doctors initially believed that she had sustained a gunshot wound to the face.

im betting she resisted more then you think and no i don't thinka male in this situation would have been better.


realy question i have is why was he not cuffed and with more then one guard?

[/QThe State of Georgia alleges the following events took place on March 11, 2005: 51-year old female sheriff's deputy, 5'1? Cynthia Hall was routinely assigned to guard 6'1? Nichols during the time frame of his two trials under Judge Barnes. Nichols arrives at the courthouse on a bus and she escorted him from a basement detention area to a holding cell on the 8th floor of the Fulton County Justice Tower. Deputy Dilcie Thomas said that on the morning of the attack, she urged Hall three times to get another deputy to go with her upstairs to a holding cell with Nichols, where he was going to change from jail garb before appearing in court. Hall told Thomas, ?No, I got him.? She seemed to trust him and did not require he wear customary leg shackles, even though, the day before his attack, he had been caught with hinges hidden in his shoes. The hinges could have been used as weapons. She escorted Nichols to the holding area where she was to remove his handcuffs so that he could change into civilian clothes. Hall released one cuff and turned Nichols around to unhook the remaining cuff, which is dangling from his wrist. Nichols brutally attacked the deputy pushing her into another open cell. The video surveillance camera recorded as he overpowered the deputy hitting her so hard in the face her feet left the ground. He emerges from the cell with her gun belt which included her radio and weapon magazines. Nichols retrieved her keys from the floor and locked Deputy Hall in the cell. Nichols entered another cell and changed into his street clothes and is seen about 4 1/2 minutes later leaving the holding cell area. He used the keys to open a lock box where he armed himself with her Beretta .40 cal. semi-automatic pistol.[5]] According to hospital sources, the deputy sustained significant brain injury, facial fractures and a large laceration to her forehead. After the attack, her condition was reported as critical, but she survived. Deputy Hall's injuries were so severe that Grady Memorial Hospital Doctors initially believed that she had sustained a gunshot wound to the face.[6]

from wiki link


ok that changes everything.

she was not overpowerd because she was small. she was overpowered because she was fuckign stupid.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?

i think the average male guard has the same chance of being caught and knocked unconscious. it doesnt really say if there was a struggle?

edit: just read the above and yeah, coulda happened to any gender. very stupid mistake.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
There is just no excuse for this happening, especially if she was escorting this over sized asshole to court on her alone.

He wasn't oversized. He was just a normal sized dude. She was just small.

I think most reasonable people can see that this 5'1 woman lacked the physical size for the job, but "PC" gets in the way and we're all supposed to overlook this obvious fact. But people need to wake up and realize that most men will have absolutely no problem overpowering a woman, let alone one that's only 5'1.

Yeah, he wasn't Tallbill sized.
 

Steve

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A short, small woman recently got the gun off a big, burly police officer and killed him here in Chicago on a transit bus.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?

i think the average male guard has the same chance of being caught and knocked unconscious. it doesnt really say if there was a struggle?

edit: just read the above and yeah, coulda happened to any gender. very stupid mistake.


So you think it's just as easy to knock out a 5'10 man as a 5'1 woman? I cannot believe the stupidity of people on this forum.

I'm pretty sure they showed the video before and he didn't knock her out. He just overpowered her and beat her.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?

i think the average male guard has the same chance of being caught and knocked unconscious. it doesnt really say if there was a struggle?

edit: just read the above and yeah, coulda happened to any gender. very stupid mistake.


So you think it's just as easy to knock out a 5'10 man as a 5'1 woman? I cannot believe the stupidity of people on this forum.

I'm pretty sure they showed the video before and he didn't knock her out. He just overpowered her and beat her.

i think that height and gender do not have as much to do with it as you think. is there any pics of this woman? maybe she is huge? and by huge i mean mannish. have you ever seen a samoan chick?
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Regarding the female deputy:
According to hospital sources, the deputy sustained significant brain injury, facial fractures and a large laceration to her forehead. After the attack, her condition was reported as critical, but she survived. Deputy Hall's injuries were so severe that Grady Memorial Hospital Doctors initially believed that she had sustained a gunshot wound to the face.

Wow...
 

Cattlegod

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It doesn't matter that she was a woman or 5'1". What happened was the inability to properly judge the situation and make it an even match. They should have had 3-4 women that were 5'1" to properly do the job.
 

Baked

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The midget female guard's pride cost 4 people their life and put many other people's life in danger. She should've requested backup while escorting the subject, I don't think shackling the subject's legs would've made a different. You do not uncuff outside of the cell, you lock the subject in the cell first, then you uncuff. Very sad someone who's been on the job for so many years can't use common sense and follow simple protocol. Pride's a bitch, I hope the guilt eats her alive.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Cattlegod
It doesn't matter that she was a woman or 5'1". What happened was the inability to properly judge the situation and make it an even match. They should have had 3-4 women that were 5'1" to properly do the job.

So this is going to degrade into the comical thread about how many 5 year olds you can take on.

"If they had 7 women that were 5'1, they could have taken this dude on!!"
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Baked
The midget female guard's pride cost 4 people their life and put many other people's life in danger. She should've requested backup while escorting the subject, I don't think shackling the subject's legs would've made a different. You do not uncuff outside of the cell, you lock the subject in the cell first, then you uncuff. Very sad someone who's been on the job for so many years can't use common sense and follow simple protocol. Pride's a bitch, I hope the guilt eats her alive.

i fully agree. it was not her size that got people killed. it was her pride as you said.

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?

i think the average male guard has the same chance of being caught and knocked unconscious. it doesnt really say if there was a struggle?

edit: just read the above and yeah, coulda happened to any gender. very stupid mistake.


So you think it's just as easy to knock out a 5'10 man as a 5'1 woman? I cannot believe the stupidity of people on this forum.

I'm pretty sure they showed the video before and he didn't knock her out. He just overpowered her and beat her.

in this case YES, he hit her so hard it lifted her off her feet, i beleive that if he hit a 5'10 man male guard that hard it would knock him out, and if not seriously dissoreant him to the point where the dude could eaisily land more blows
 
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Originally posted by: Baked
The midget female guard's pride cost 4 people their life and put many other people's life in danger. She should've requested backup while escorting the subject, I don't think shackling the subject's legs would've made a different. You do not uncuff outside of the cell, you lock the subject in the cell first, then you uncuff. Very sad someone who's been on the job for so many years can't use common sense and follow simple protocol. Pride's a bitch, I hope the guilt eats her alive.

She's paying for her mistake.
The beating she took on March 11, 2005, left her an invalid. The former Fulton County sheriff?s deputy is now blind in her right eye and her eyelid droops. Her brain damage is causing confusion, memory problems, difficulty with speech and she has difficulty walking unassisted
 
T

Tim

Yeah, yeah, ignore my initial post even though they were right all along.
Damn democrats.
 

alkemyst

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ahh I have to say is wow to a geek thinking 6'1 and 210lbs just an average type of guy.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis

actually im pretty much the most non PC person in the world im simplue argueing that it could happen to a male guard almost as eaisily

So you think your average male guard has about the same strength as a 5'1, 51 year old woman? Are you on crack? Or do you just come from munchkinland?

i think the average male guard has the same chance of being caught and knocked unconscious. it doesnt really say if there was a struggle?

edit: just read the above and yeah, coulda happened to any gender. very stupid mistake.


So you think it's just as easy to knock out a 5'10 man as a 5'1 woman? I cannot believe the stupidity of people on this forum.

I'm pretty sure they showed the video before and he didn't knock her out. He just overpowered her and beat her.

in this case YES, he hit her so hard it lifted her off her feet, i beleive that if he hit a 5'10 man male guard that hard it would knock him out, and if not seriously dissoreant him to the point where the dude could eaisily land more blows

You are sorely mislead. Maybe the pussies on this forum would have a tough time taking on a dude like this, but at 6'1, 210 this guy isn't exactly Lennox Lewis. Anyone can beat up a 5'1 woman. He most certainly wouldn't have been able to knock out an average sized man. Hell, he didn't even knock out the 5'1 woman.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
ahh I have to say is wow to a geek thinking 6'1 and 210lbs just an average type of guy.

6'1 210 is about average.

You're a weak pansy that I'd have absolutely no problem taking out, so it's understandable that you'd be intimidated by someone of his size. I've seen your picture, you're soft and chubby. You're not exactly athletic.
 

SludgeFactory

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I don't believe that he was average size or strength, 6'1" 210 pounds can be a couch potato with 40 lbs of gut, or it can be a very well-muscled individual. And he was the latter, an ex-college football player, and from what I remember, he still looked solid.

There should have been 2-3 people, preferably men, guarding him.