According to the news, more than one individual is being held in Afghanistan after being caught for trying to convert people from Muslim to Christianity. WTF were these people thinking? Breaking the rules in a country where the civil rights of a person come into question each day...not to mention a very good chance that they will be killed. But, still, they insist upon this mission. I give up - people can be so stupid.
Converting from Muslim to Christianity?
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apoppin
Lifer
<< I give up - people can be so stupid. >>
Not stupid - it is their faith - their strongly held beliefs - that motivates them to share the "truth" with others. It is up to the others to decide to convert or not.
They view what they believe to be God's command and their conscience that motivate them to "obey God as ruler, rather than men" (Acts 5:29) even at the cost of their lives.
Those who aren't religious like Atheist are difficult to convert if not impossible. No one should speak of god for it is a sin to do so. 
Yes, everything we do in life is a sin, we all sinner. Thats nice to know hehe.
Yes, everything we do in life is a sin, we all sinner. Thats nice to know hehe.
apoppin
Lifer
<< Or at the cost of others.... >>
Yes, there have been many abuses made in the name of god or religion
However, sharing one's beliefs is not an abuse. And if one is a Christian, it is a duty.
Of course, no one should ever be forced to listen. An atheist (or believer) should be free to say 'I'm not interested' and it should be respected.
There are two women from the US accused of spreading their religeon to Muslums. The charge is vigorusly denied. They are humanitarian workers helping the poor and working with the children in Kabul.
They are held for spreading Christianity, a chrge that carries the death penalty according to Taliban rule.
There are 6 others from various countries,including Belgium being detianed under similar charges.
The Taliban will use them as pawns to win concesion from the coaltion.
They are held for spreading Christianity, a chrge that carries the death penalty according to Taliban rule.
There are 6 others from various countries,including Belgium being detianed under similar charges.
The Taliban will use them as pawns to win concesion from the coaltion.
Make a note to yourself, Moonbeam. When you convert to a religion, make sure it teaches 'mind your own business'.
apoppin
Lifer
Moonbeam, from my experience that would probably be Buddhism. It is very tolerant and I never remember seeing missionaries from their religion at my door.
Tripleshot, there are no belgians among those people, i knew there are some germans, but no belgians. That doesn't mean we don't care though.
Aelus
Aelus
You're probably right, apoppin, and it has the additional benefit that you can donate to the Gore campaign right at the temple.
I think it was 4 Germans, 2 Australians and 2 Americans. They've been there for a month or so, awaiting "trial." I think trial has been delayed due to recent developments.
I'm not sure I believe the Taliban in their charges. First off, I can't believe the relief workers are that stupid -- they know how strict the Taliban are -- nobody would be that stupid trying to preach Christainity over there.
Secondly, according to the Washington Post, some of the relief workers arrested were Muslim Afghans. According to their friends, they don't know what is going on -- they are sure their friends wouldn't be preaching Christainity because they are "good Muslims". They are worried and concerned for them.
Maybe the Taliban is so strict that they consider "preaching" as being nice, compassionate, generous, giving and helpful from non-Muslims. After all, if their people meet nice caring and compasionate Christains, maybe they're worried they would think that other religions are okay too.
Secondly, according to the Washington Post, some of the relief workers arrested were Muslim Afghans. According to their friends, they don't know what is going on -- they are sure their friends wouldn't be preaching Christainity because they are "good Muslims". They are worried and concerned for them.
Maybe the Taliban is so strict that they consider "preaching" as being nice, compassionate, generous, giving and helpful from non-Muslims. After all, if their people meet nice caring and compasionate Christains, maybe they're worried they would think that other religions are okay too.
Why are the Taliban Muslims so insecure in their followers beliefs that they must threaten people who preach another religion with death?
Those missionaries were some damn stupid fools. They go to a country where the government has declared that all Muslims have duty to indiscriminatly massacre all non-Muslims, and they try to convert people to Christianity! If they were to get their heads chopped off, I could live with that, because it's miraculous that they managed to live this long given their level of intelligence. What pisses me off is now these people will be used as pawns in the Taliban's sick game: Don't bomb us, or we will mutilate them, and leave their corpses out to dry (like they did with the former Afghani Prime Minister) :|
<< Why are the Taliban Muslims so insecure in their followers beliefs that they must threaten people who preach another religion with death? >>
Why is the sky blue?
There's just some things which you can't change; you have to accept reality. There are well over 100 3rd world countries that welcome Christian proselityzers. Why did these damn fools have to go to the one which proclaimed that it will execute their kind?
<< Why are the Taliban Muslims so insecure in their followers beliefs that they must threaten people who preach another religion with death? >>
Why is the sky blue?
There's just some things which you can't change; you have to accept reality. There are well over 100 3rd world countries that welcome Christian proselityzers. Why did these damn fools have to go to the one which proclaimed that it will execute their kind?
Shantanu
"If they were to get their heads chopped off, I could live with that, because it's miraculous that they managed to live this long given their level of intelligence."
Would you also tell their parents that?
Aid Worker's Parents Hope for Best
"The other seven jailed workers are American Dayna Curry, 29, and six people from Germany and Australia. They all work for the Christian relief agency Shelter Now and they insist they were in Afghanistan to help the poor, not convert them."
It could also be that they were just trying to help the poor and not preaching and now have become pawns in this mess. Yes, I realize that they were charged before 9-11.
"If they were to get their heads chopped off, I could live with that, because it's miraculous that they managed to live this long given their level of intelligence."
Would you also tell their parents that?
Aid Worker's Parents Hope for Best
"The other seven jailed workers are American Dayna Curry, 29, and six people from Germany and Australia. They all work for the Christian relief agency Shelter Now and they insist they were in Afghanistan to help the poor, not convert them."
It could also be that they were just trying to help the poor and not preaching and now have become pawns in this mess. Yes, I realize that they were charged before 9-11.
they may be stupid, but afaik, some of the dumbest/stubbornest missionaries end up as martyrs for dying for their cause.
It's not stupidity it's called conviction of one's faith.
Why is everyone assuming the Taliban is telling the truth?
These people are willing to die for their convictions and you call them stupid?
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to paypal a donation to the Red Cross.
Would any of you actually stop what you're doing to help someone else first hand?
The Taliban accepted their help, they had to allow them in the country.
They're not stupid, they are very courageous people. People that actually know what they believe and are willing to help their fellow man. They were there providing aid to the Afghans, something their own government is not willing to do.
You guys disgust me.
Why is everyone assuming the Taliban is telling the truth?
These people are willing to die for their convictions and you call them stupid?
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to paypal a donation to the Red Cross.
Would any of you actually stop what you're doing to help someone else first hand?
The Taliban accepted their help, they had to allow them in the country.
They're not stupid, they are very courageous people. People that actually know what they believe and are willing to help their fellow man. They were there providing aid to the Afghans, something their own government is not willing to do.
You guys disgust me.
I don't think anybody believes anything the Taliban says at this point. (anyone with common sense)
Just another trumped up charge by the Taliban, kicking sand in the face of the West as they did with the destruction of the two ancient Buddahs. Dispiciple, but not surprising. The fact that some of the relief workers are women, and happened to have a book in English about the bible, didn't help matters. It wouldn't surprise me if they took these relief workers as hostages to use as bargaining chip, knowing about the upcoming attack.
Just another trumped up charge by the Taliban, kicking sand in the face of the West as they did with the destruction of the two ancient Buddahs. Dispiciple, but not surprising. The fact that some of the relief workers are women, and happened to have a book in English about the bible, didn't help matters. It wouldn't surprise me if they took these relief workers as hostages to use as bargaining chip, knowing about the upcoming attack.
don't have much sympathy for missionaries that go to countries to "convert" the natives. incredible disrespect for other religions.. i don't agree with the taliban reaction though.
People....the Taliban can charge you with whatever they want to and keep you imprisoned. You have NO idea whether or not this happened so don't get in some big debate about whether or not it was right of them to do this...
Why are the Taliban Muslims so insecure in their followers beliefs that they must threaten people who preach another religion with dea
th?
Why are certain Christians so insecure on that they kill abortion doctors?
Why is the US so insecure about capitalism that they have tried to subvert communism repeatedly?
th?
Why are certain Christians so insecure on that they kill abortion doctors?
Why is the US so insecure about capitalism that they have tried to subvert communism repeatedly?
btw there has been no true socialism, just socialist dictatorships so go away on that point subvert away!
edit i had it #@% backwards.. damn brain
subvert away! edit i had it #@% backwards.. damn brain
<< Why are the Taliban Muslims so insecure in their followers beliefs that they must threaten people who preach another religion with dea
th?
Why are certain Christians so insecure on that they kill abortion doctors?
Why is the US so insecure about capitalism that they have tried to subvert communism repeatedly? >>
The first is not a good analogy.
The second does compare, especially during the McCarthy era. The US has gotten past that paranoid stage for the most part. If you want to get on a street corner and preach the benefits of Communism you may get laughed at, but you won't be thrown in jail and threatened with having your head chopped off.
For a religion that has been around as long as Islam, why has it not evolved to the same level of security?
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