Converting Fat32 to NTFS

Zenmervolt

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Should I convert my HDD to NTFS from the default FAT 32? Other than taking a while to convert the entire 32GB HDD, are there any disadvantages to converting from FAT 32 to NTFS? I remember hearing somewhere that when going from FAT 32 to NTFS results in too small NTFS clusters for the MTF, which results in MTF fragmentation. That said, I like the added security of NTFS and the fact that any Win9x PC on the network cannot possibly hack into the computer. For some reason I just don't trust all the other people on the network, knowing what I'd do if I could get into people's HDDs at will. ;)

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dweezill

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go ntfs it the native file system to win2000. I don't know if there is a utility to convert to ntfs from win2000. But Partition Magic 6 can convert form fat32 to ntfs AND
ntfs to FAT32 so if you don't like it you can come back
 

Zenmervolt

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Great, I really appreciate your help. Dweezill; First, nice icon, and second, Dweezill as in Dwezill Zappa? Thanks again guys. :)

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Panther505

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You can convert natively in W2K. Open a cmd window and type " convert c: /FS:NTFS" (without the quotes of course). This will convert the FS on reboot to NTFS.. As far as too small cluster size I really don't think so as the cluster size is like 9X and dependent on the size of the partition. On my 9.1 GB scsi drive as a Dynamic disk the cluster size of the 8.6 GB partition is 4K. On a 27 GB IDE drive in my server the cluster size is the same (4K).
 

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<< . For some reason I just don't trust all the other people on the network, knowing what I'd do if I could get into people's HDDs at will. >>



You can see FAT32/NTFS regeardless of which one you use over the network.
 

Panther505

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Urbantechie- True but NTFS you can share and control by security permissions. Once you share Fat32 anyone that can log on to the Network can get to your shares..
 

jaywallen

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It is my understanding that using the in-built W2K convert program to go from FAT or FAT32 to NTFS will result in 512 byte clusters. And that will force fragmentation of the MFT. A straight install of W2K allows you to choose cluster sizes, the conversion does not -- unless I'm very much mistaken. The answer would be to a) use CONVERT and get a defragger that defrags the MFT at boot time when it exceeds a certain number of fragments, or b) use Partition Magic which will allow you to convert AND choose cluster sizes.

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Panther505

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jaywallen- I don't believe so. It is my understanding that NTFS looks at the partition size and uses the appropiate cluster size like 9X does. Remember that a 4 GB 9x Fat32 drive will not have the same cluster size as a 18 GB partition. If it does then you will see issues in Scandisk and Defrag (under the 9X OS). It is possible that it may maintain the same cluster size as the 9X FS though
 

jaywallen

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Panther505,

This MSKB article discusses the default cluster sizes for FAT16 and NTFS partitions. You'll note that about halfway down the page there's a paragraph which stipulates that the CONVERT utility always uses a 512 byte cluster size.

So, in W2K if you choose to change the cluster size from whatever the default is during the initial format, you can choose any cluster size you want, within the limits imposed by the acceptable ranges. But, if you already have W2K installed and decide to use the CONVERT utility, you wind up with 512 byte clusters. With NT4 you didn't even have this much freedom. If you performed the format during setup, the setup program formatted the partition first as FAT16, then converted to NTFS during the second part of the installation -- so you wound up with 512 byte clusters anyway. Only way around it was to preformat the partition as NTFS with larger clusters specified with the FORMAT command, then install NT without letting setup perform a format.

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Jim
 

SCSIfreek

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Jaywallen,


How much difference will i see from changing cluster size 512 byte to 4000 byte (from a gamer and application user point fo view). I had windows 2000 for the last 8 months and never had any problems with it. Just recently i started to look into improving me OS proformance and came across your post. Now I'm very interested in re-doing my OS and changing the cluster size. I would very much appreciate any help you can give me since i have not keep up-to-date with the latest OS or tweaks.
my System is all SCSI. Thanks in advance.


--SCSI
 

jaywallen

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SCSIfreek,

I love it. Just can't be fast enough, huh? Well, I'm hardly an expert on performance tuning, especially when it comes to games. I've hardly ever focused primarily on speed. To me, I guess because of the types of situations I've worked in and the types of systems I've worked on, it's all about reliability. Not that reliability as a concern is incompatible with speed.

To tell you the truth, on most systems I've used, the difference in performance between 512 byte clusters and 4,096 byte clusters in an NTFS partition, especially on a fast SCSI drive, is probably negligible until the partition size gets fairly large. It appears that the main drag on performance in an NTFS partition with fragmentation seems to occur when the MFT becomes badly fragmented, internally or externally. The rest of the file system can be scattered to the four winds, but as long as the MFT and pagefile haven't been affected, the system will maintain most of its &quot;zip&quot;. (Obviously, a hard drive with high seek and access times would throw a monkey wrench into that assertion.) Some of the third party defraggers will perform a boot time defragmentation of the MFT when it reaches a certain level of fragmentation. But they do require time and resources to run. On a standalone system that doesn't have to be in functional service all the time, it's okay to crank up the old defragger when the system isn't being useful. The problem with servers is that there's often no decent time to run a defragger. And I don't care what any defragger vendor says, background defragging sags most server I've seen, and pretty badly -- at least if they run anywhere near their potential. Heck, one of those dorky, fancy screensavers can make a server sag.

I like NTFS because of its robust nature, not because I want speed. FAT and FAT32, when freshly defragged, are both faster than NTFS for most real-world application startup and data reading chores. NTFS performance just degrades less rapidly with file system fragmentation. If I wanted to play games primarily, I'd go with FAT on small partitions. I'd consider FAT32 if there was a need for larger partitions and needed the highest speed I could get. But if my data and staying operational meant everything to me, I'd stick with NTFS. Since my migration to the Windows world, I've used mostly notebooks as my personal machines. They're very different animals from the servers and workstations I work on. I think the 4,096 byte cluster is the most effective compromise for most NTFS partitions on smaller drives, especially those on notebooks. It's the largest cluster that supports compression. That way I get the advantage of the largest cluster size possible, but reap the benefits of compression. But I'd use larger clusters for large drives and for certain RAID arrays, to optimize data transfer speeds.

My $.02 in a nutshell.

Regards,
Jim
 

SCSIfreek

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Thanks Jaywallen for the great reply. I'll look into as to what i should do before crapping out my OS tonite :p. I better save all my files hehehe else i'll be in deep kim chee. that will smell quite bad. hehehe..
to fdisk or not to fdisk thats the question.

 

jaywallen

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SCSIfreek,

Being in deep kim chee is not a place anyone wants to be!

I'm afraid I'm not much help to an avid gamer, but I'm glad to try.

Best regards,
Jim