Conversation with a Republican

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: sven1607
I don't know if it's a real phone conversation or not, I was just trying to see whether there was any truth to the stuf about phone tapping, martial law, torture, etc. It doesn't look like anyone is calling this stuff BS, even the obvious Bush supporters. I'm not into politics at all, but if this stuff is all true, why would you WANT to be a Bush supporter (not to say the other side is any better).

Because the leader of the Democrats in the House does not believe we are in a war against terror. And this was after 9-11 that she said that.

BTW: I don't know of one personal freedom that I or anyone else I know has lost since Bush took over.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: sven1607
I don't know if it's a real phone conversation or not, I was just trying to see whether there was any truth to the stuf about phone tapping, martial law, torture, etc. It doesn't look like anyone is calling this stuff BS, even the obvious Bush supporters. I'm not into politics at all, but if this stuff is all true, why would you WANT to be a Bush supporter (not to say the other side is any better).

Because the leader of the Democrats in the House does not believe we are in a war against terror. And this was after 9-11 that she said that.

BTW: I don't know of one personal freedom that I or anyone else I know has lost since Bush took over.

Ok ProfJohn, tell me something about the war on terror. What are the conditions in this "war" under which we can declare victory? If there are no terrorist attacks? If there is only one terrorist attack?

What does "winning" the war on terror mean to you?

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why hasn't this thread been locked already?
What a bunch of BS.

couldn`t have said it better!!

Partisan hacks FTW!

 

[CellarDoor]

No, he's not. The republicans in control of congress are however, and they just let Bush do whatever he damn well pleases.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW: I don't know of one personal freedom that I or anyone else I know has lost since Bush took over.

That's because under new super-secret laws created by Bush signing statements (made with invisible ink, of course) the government now is broadly administering mind-altering drugs that make people completely forget their histories with any acquaintances, friends, or family member's who've disappeared.

And you may not know that until two weeks ago, you were a ranting, left-wing nutjob. You only THINK you're a fundamentalist Christian. Check your hairline, just above your right ear. See that small bump just under the surface?

Of course, although all of this mind-control is turning us into Stepford citizens, our Fuhrer . . . . er, President is just trying to protect us from the big, bad bogeymen. And, hey, what's a little lost self-awareness and free will when compared with the warm, womb-like feeling of complete and utter safety?

 

[judasmachine]

Oh I wish they'd call me, I'd use that if for nothing else just to screw with the unsolicited call.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

rofl

 

[sven1607]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Because the leader of the Democrats in the House does not believe we are in a war against terror. And this was after 9-11 that she said that.

BTW: I don't know of one personal freedom that I or anyone else I know has lost since Bush took over.

Well, I did notice my 83 year old grandmother having her fingernail clippers taken away (and treated rather rudely) at the airport, and my wife recently flew and had to be aware of the whole liquid thing, where apparently you can blow up a plane with your shampoo and white out. These are just annoyances, but if the government can actually do all of the things in the email (listen in on phone calls for no reason, declare martial law, break into your house and take you away without charging you, keep you in prison indefinitely, and legally torture you), well that's not the America I grew up in, sounds exactly like the horrors of Russia in the old days. Aren't there supposed to be some kinds of checks and balances in place to stop laws like these from becoming reality? How is Bush able to do these things, and why isn't anyone stopping him? And again, if all of these things are true, why would anyone support the guy?

 

[sven1607]

Originally posted by: Oblivionaire
What difference does it make if you're a Bush supporter or not? GWB isn't running for re-selection folks.

What would stop GWB from changing the law that only lets people run twice? He seems to be able to make any laws he wants, couldn't he just make himself President indefinitly?

 

[fskimospy]

BTW: I don't know of one personal freedom that I or anyone else I know has lost since Bush took over.

Come on man, I know you are a Bush supporter... but that is just flatly false. The Patriot Act, domestic spying, the REMOVAL OF HABEUS CORPUS (and don't say that doesn't apply to citizens, because there's a guy named Hamdi who would probably like to disagree).

If you want to argue that these moves are necessary to protect the country, fine. I completely disagree, but at least it is an intellectually coherant statement. To claim that we have not witnessed a massive expansion of police power (and therefore a decrease in personal freedoms) in the last 6 years is simply ignorant.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why hasn't this thread been locked already?
What a bunch of BS.

Agreed. I wonder how long this would fly if it was patronizing democrats.