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Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: alien42
the same could be said for incest and bestiality.


The same could be said for just about anything. Take murder for example: Someone who just randomly goes up to someone in the street obviously has a mental disorder, but where do you draw the line?

I'll tell ya where: when said disorder threatens the lives and wellbeing of the rest of society.

Homosexuality between two consenting adults is not analogous to a child - who is incapable of consent or understanding the implications of the acts - having sex with ANYONE, let alone with someone who's manipulating them only to serve their own mental fscked-up-ness.

Like I said: I could give a crap how "valid" the mental problem is. Come near just about any parents' kid, and you've leave in at least one bodybag.
 

Fraggable

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What the OP said in his OP was not really ture. He said that homosexuality is 'perfectly acceptable in western society'. it is NOT perfectly acceptable until almost everyone accepts it, and probably not until everyone accepts it. I'm sure there's been polls on this but i'm betting there's a fair amount of us in the 'western socitey' that do not approve of it. Like 30% or more.

Anyway, since it's all wrong anyway IMO then it's pointless to debate if pedophiles are 'worse' than homos. It all leads to the same end (depravity) and ultimately the end of the culture. History will repeat itself.
 

SMOGZINN

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First I think we need to realize that there are two main types of pedophiles, those you do it because they are sexually attracted to children, and those that are attracted to the power they can wield over children. The first group is not the horrible monsters we make them out to be. They normally understand that their urges are wrong, and look for socially acceptable ways to express those urges. Very few of them commit the actual crime of pedophilia. Most of those that do, do not hurt the child physically, and have normally convinced themselves that they are not doing any psychological damage. Those few have no control over their emotions, and let their emotions rule their reason, and they are damned by it. This is no different then many other criminals, we just react to it as horrible because of the value of what they steal is so great. And because it is such a great betrayal of society we must punish it harshly.
The second group is among the sickest individuals in society. They are the ones that rape and murder to fill some missing part of their personality. These pedophiles are exactly the same as serial killers. They do not have ANY respect for human life, and have lost any reasonable emotive response to humanity in general. They are the worst things that mankind has to offer society, and should be removed from society permanently.
 

natto fire

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Originally posted by: woowoo
Originally posted by: loic2003


However, these days most people are less ignorant and we all know that homosexuality is a natural occurance and homosexuals are regular people, but they are sexually attracted to the same sex. That's perfectly acceptable in today's western society.

I disagree with the above statement.


To his credit, he did say MOST people are less ignorant...
 

Pepsi90919

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i don't think it's wrong to be attracted to anyone as long as anything that results from it is consensual.
 

loic2003

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
Why would you even mention homosexuals and pedophiles in the same context?
Sorry, no offense intended. Please read disclaimer #2.
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Why would you even mention homosexuals and pedophiles in the same context?
Sorry, no offense intended. Please read disclaimer #2.

I wasn't offended, it just they do not fall into the same category, not even remotely.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: loic2003
How's about this for controversial:

50 years ago, homosexuality was considered a medical condition and even a disease. Homosexuals went through terrible treatments including electric shock treatment in an attempt to 'cure' themselves. Homosexuality used to be illegal.
However, these days most people are less ignorant and we all know that homosexuality is a natural occurance and homosexuals are regular people, but they are sexually attracted to the same sex. That's perfectly acceptable in today's western society.

But what about paedophiles? Everyone thinks they're insane sickos, but at the end of the day they are simply attracted to children in a sexual way instead of members of the opposite sex. Is it a mental illness? Is it plain wrong throughout or is it a social issue? Bear in mind that in some areas of the world, the age of consent is 13 years of age.


Discuss.
*runs*



Disclaimers:
-I personally believe anyone who abuses underage children as a true pervert and should be punished accordingly.
-I am in no way likening homosexuals to paedophiles. The only relation the two have is that they are not attracted to regular 'male/female relationships of the same age'.
-I am playing devil's advocate here, putting this discussion to the group and am in no way condoning any illegal sexual activities. In fact, they sicken me. This is simply food for thought.

In a society where the kids are brought up to their potential in that society by 13, then it is fine. But in modern society, it takes longer for a kid to meet their potential. You mess with them before that and you are ruining the kid.

Oh yeah, Watch the movie The Woodsman starring Kevin Bacon! :thumbsup: He did an excellent job acting, and at the same time it discusses the thought process of a paedophile. Makes them seem more human to the ignorant people out there willing to hate everyone. But at the same time it doesn't condone the behavior and protrays the character as one who wants to be "normal". It even poses the question of what is "normal"? The character even believes that everyone has feelings for children, and some other type of crap. That the kid wanted it if they follow him, that he isn't hurting them. But it discusses everything, and how the character comes to terms with it. Great movie IMHO.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
I haven't read more than the first few sentences, but let me say this: I could give a sh1t if pedophilia is simply "misunderstood" the way homosexuality once was; if a pedo comes near one of my kids, I'll kill him.

That's the beauty of having kids. Rationality doesn't always need to be a priority, because frankly, I just don't give a fvck.

Good for you! :thumbsup:
 

PHiuR

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Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: five40
OP you are gross for even thinking of this question. /thread please

OP, I think it's a good post. We need to discuss these topics.

On to the answer, I think it's 'okay' as a pedo to have feelings for a kid as long as he or she does not act on it. It is the physical Act alone that makes it a horrible thing.
 
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Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread


so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

Yes. Evil thoughts are not illegal.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread


so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

Yes. Evil thoughts are not illegal.

But thoughts lead to action.

It is better if society was more tolerant of the situation while still maintaining it is a bad thing. Most of the time with sex offenders, unless it is a power fixation instead of a sexual fixation, if they realize what they are doing is wrong or messed up, they will try to stop. But stigmatizing them, it causes them to internalize those errors in thought, allowing the feelings to fester and grow. If the society, and especially religious groups, was/were more tolerant of the people, not the "disease", a lot of things could change for the better.

Watch The Woodsman. Good movie discusses this issue.