Controversial discussion.

[loic2003]

How's about this for controversial:

50 years ago, homosexuality was considered a medical condition and even a disease. Homosexuals went through terrible treatments including electric shock treatment in an attempt to 'cure' themselves. Homosexuality used to be illegal.
However, these days most people are less ignorant and we all know that homosexuality is a natural occurance and homosexuals are regular people, but they are sexually attracted to the same sex. That's perfectly acceptable in today's western society.

But what about paedophiles? Everyone thinks they're insane sickos, but at the end of the day they are simply attracted to children in a sexual way instead of members of the opposite sex. Is it a mental illness? Is it plain wrong throughout or is it a social issue? Bear in mind that in some areas of the world, the age of consent is 13 years of age.


Discuss.
*runs*



Disclaimers:
-I personally believe anyone who abuses underage children as a true pervert and should be punished accordingly.
-I am in no way likening homosexuals to paedophiles. The only relation the two have is that they are not attracted to regular 'male/female relationships of the same age'.
-I am playing devil's advocate here, putting this discussion to the group and am in no way condoning any illegal sexual activities. In fact, they sicken me. This is simply food for thought.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

Good question, I think people will try to tell you that if an attraction exists there is always the possibility of someone acting on that attraction, which makes it wrong/illegal. That's not what I think though, I'm not trying to shun these people just because I don't think like they do, I'm sure most of them are good guys.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

Wrong? Yes. Illegal? No.

R

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

acting out the desires = very bad
attracted to children? I'd think don't ask don't tell. There's nothing wrong or illegal with WRITTEN kiddie pornographic stuff... its the picutres that take it over the top... the laws only exist to keep there from being any potential profit motive for child exploitation, not necessarily to punish the guy jerkin' off to kiddie porn

 

[thirdeye]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

It's ok to wish to murder someone as long you don't do it right? It's a matter of controlling your urges. Some can, some can't/won't.

 

[BrianH1]

children can't consent legally. Adults can consent.

 

[oddyager]

Is it illegal? No. Is it sickening and wrong? Yes.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

acting out the desires = very bad
attracted to children? I'd think don't ask don't tell. There's nothing wrong or illegal with WRITTEN kiddie pornographic stuff... its the picutres that take it over the top... the laws only exist to keep there from being any potential profit motive for child exploitation, not necessarily to punish the guy jerkin' off to kiddie porn

Actually there have been some moves to make written or cartoon type kiddie porn illegal. There was at least one huge thread about this very thing on this forum a while back.

 

[frankgomez75]

I think the difference is:

Homosexuals --- both people for the most part consent


Pedophiles --- usually no consent... Statiscally, most pedophiles "ATTACK" young children. There are times when there is consent between both parties. I mean yeah a 13yr old may say "O.K. I'll have sex with a 30yr old man." But 13yr olds are not mentally mature enough yet to make such a decision that could impact them for the rest of their lives. Therefore responsible adults need to step in to defend them from making stupid choices such as that.

Therefore I consider it a sickness much like serial killers. They can't control themselves.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Good question, I think people will try to tell you that if an attraction exists there is always the possibility of someone acting on that attraction, which makes it wrong/illegal. That's not what I think though, I'm not trying to shun these people just because I don't think like they do, I'm sure most of them are good guys.

Except when they're raping children, of course. I'm sure there are a lot more who don't act on their feelings though.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I take it that we are considering "children" to be about age 14 and below?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

so it's just acting out their desires that is wrong? Would it be ok to be attracted to children but not physically try to have sex with them?

A few things...paedophilia really refers to prepubescent (read: not sexually developed) children. While "we" as a society have decided that there are certain ages prior to which a child is considered unable to properly consent to becoming sexually active, it's natural to be attracted to someone who has passed puberty.

From a legal perspective, it's the act that's wrong. Have you ever been checking out a hot girl only to find out that she is 16? While lusting after a 3 year old even if you never act on it is morally reprehensible, unless we want to get into the risky business of trying to enforce "thought crimes," it can't be made illegal.

 

[robothouse77]

can we please end this thread soon? i'm getting sick to my stomach

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I take it that we are considering "children" to be about age 14 and below?

Sure, although some areas on this very planet allow kids to consent to sex at 13 years of age.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
homosexuals can make the choice to partake in their activities. children cannot.

/thread

word... this discussion is over

 

[DVad3r]

Pedophiles are people that will manipulate children and do things to them against their will. Then they will almost always claim that the child was giving them consent etc. I don't think it's wrong to be attracted to children, everyone does it on a day to day basis (ohh he/she's sooo cuteee...my my what a handsome boy you are etc), but these people are in the norm and know how to control their emotions/impulses, they don't go out manipulating children. I think that is the difference between a "healthy" attraction to children and that of a monster.

And yes I believe society does play a role, because the man marrying a 14 old in some country where it has been culture for hundreds of years is not the same as chester billy bob manipulating a kid from his soccer team.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I take it that we are considering "children" to be about age 14 and below?

Sure, although some areas on this very planet allow kids to consent to sex at 13 years of age.

i think the definition of pedohpilia is having sexual desires towards children that cary no traits of sexuality - ie prepubertal kids.

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I take it that we are considering "children" to be about age 14 and below?

Sure, although some areas on this very planet allow kids to consent to sex at 13 years of age.

i think the definition of pedohpilia is having sexual desires towards children that cary no traits of sexuality - ie prepubertal kids.

Yes it's an attraction to pre-pubescent children. It's very specific when you break it down to what pedophiles actually like/lust after their sexual desires. It's a mental disorder.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I take it that we are considering "children" to be about age 14 and below?

Sure, although some areas on this very planet allow kids to consent to sex at 13 years of age.

in parts of the middle east, including egypt and iran, it is not uncommon for an adult man to marry a child (i.e., pre-pubescent) girl. This is considered desirable by certain Muslims, who look to their great prophet Mohammed who himself married a 7 year old girl. In Egypt, Iran, etc. it isn't unusual to see little girls in hospitals who have suffered massive internal damage after essentially being raped, repeatedly, by their "husbands". We are talking about girls who haven't reached puberty. This is all considered perfectly 'natural' and desirable, as afterall these men are modelling their behaviour on Mohammed himself.

 

[Stuxnet]

I haven't read more than the first few sentences, but let me say this: I could give a sh1t if pedophilia is simply "misunderstood" the way homosexuality once was; if a pedo comes near one of my kids, I'll kill him.

That's the beauty of having kids. Rationality doesn't always need to be a priority, because frankly, I just don't give a fvck.

 

[woowoo]

Originally posted by: loic2003


However, these days most people are less ignorant and we all know that homosexuality is a natural occurance and homosexuals are regular people, but they are sexually attracted to the same sex. That's perfectly acceptable in today's western society.

I disagree with the above statement.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: woowoo

Originally posted by: loic2003


However, these days most people are less ignorant and we all know that homosexuality is a natural occurance and homosexuals are regular people, but they are sexually attracted to the same sex. That's perfectly acceptable in today's western society.

I disagree with the above statement.

And here is where it will turn ugly and get locked.

 

[alien42]

the same could be said for incest and bestiality.