Continuing the Debate / Flame war: Why RAP = cRAP

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: waylman
this is one of the most blatantly ignorant posts ever.

These rap ?artists? have no style, no skill, and all sound exactly the same.

you have no idea what you are talking about! Rap artists vary a great deal and many of them have a tremendous amount of skill. I'd like to hear you throw a rap song together walleye.

Rap music itself contains violent messages

Lots of metal and rock does too. Is it all crap too?

I could endlessly quote and shoot down this moronic post but there's not much point. No matter what I say you are just going to be a moron about it. Walleye, why put something down that you obviously don't understand?

Take Jenna Jameson's last script. It's practically a rap album.


Yeah, yeah, uh huh, uh huh, yeah yeah, fvck fvck... oh yeah, yeah b!tch, suck it, yeah yeah, uh huh, uh huh...


😛

edit: and if you're 50 cent, you add a "my face!" at the end 😛

😀

 

[element]

Originally posted by: waylman

Originally posted by: element®
First of all Wailboy, Don't call me Enya Boy. I am not a boy I am a man. I have addressed you with respect I and I expect the same. Of course expecting any respect from a gangsta rap kiddie like you is like expecting gold to come out of my arse when I take a poop.

So you have shown me yet another thing I forgot to mention about rap. You lot are disrespectful all too often.

Keep it up rap boy. I like how you continue to make arguments in my favor.

I disrepected you because you claim rap is not "real music." If that is your opinion, then fine. But, don't come on here and spew lies about rap music to try and discredit the artform that it is.

Oh that's a great reason to disrespect someone. Thanks again moron. You still don't get it do you? All I did was post my opinions on why I don't like rap after people repeatedly asked for those opinions. You are getting bent out of shape for nothing. Your idiocy, anger, disrespect, intolerance, hate all shows in your post and your music.

And laughably, instead of trying to prove me wrong, you just keep proving me right! lmao

 

[Twista]

stfu u (word will get me banned)


//edit: the mod rocks.

 

[Brutuskend]

Continuing the Debate / Flame war: Why RAP = cRAP

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go with Walleye on this one!

 

[Mucman]

It's too bad people think about all the popular Rap music when they criticize rap. Again, I'll re-iterate that I am an avid Rush fan, and I love Jazz, Metal, Pop, Rock, Classical, Neil Diamond, etc... 😛

I recently got into rap because I've gotten exposure from different areas. It's not all bad... The same can be said for all the mainstream "Nu metal" you hear today! It's all crap, but there's lots that you don't hear that's good. Anyways... I'm not going to get involved with this thread, because these threads always get out of hand, and no ones takes anything from it...

 

[Miramonti]

There's as much pure sh!t in rock as rap.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Twista
stfu u (word will get me banned)


//edit: the mod rocks.

aww another angry rap fan. boo hoo. don't cry because everyone doesn't share your likes and dislikes you little immature twit. and don't tell anyone to stfu either. who the hell are you to say who can voice their opinions. opinions are like aholes, everybody's got one. so what the hell are you doing sniffing up mine and sniveling at the results? if you don't like my opinion stfu yourself.

har har. you rap fanbois are too easy. I'm bored this isn't challenging enough cya later

 

[Nocturnal]

You guys are listening to the wrong type of music. Listen to some real hip-hop like Atmosphere, People under the stairs, J5, Jedi Mind Tricks, Grouch and Eligh, all the underground "hip-hop" stuff. They don't rap about murder, drugs, their stupid 26" rims, etc. Their music has meanings and is usually pretty deep.

 

You guys are listening to the wrong type of music. Listen to some real hip-hop like Atmosphere, People under the stairs, J5, Jedi Mind Tricks, Grouch and Eligh, all the underground "hip-hop" stuff. They don't rap about murder, drugs, their stupid 26" rims, etc. Their music has meanings and is usually pretty deep.

Your words are falling on deaf ears my man. It's too bad.

 

[BooGiMaN]

are you sure you dont listen to rap...

i recall a thread where you cursed at you dad and wanted to fight with him and called ur sister a b1tch or skank or something...and you hate your mom stepmom or whatever too dont you....

so you sure you arent into rap...

 

[Mucman]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
You guys are listening to the wrong type of music. Listen to some real hip-hop like Atmosphere, People under the stairs, J5, Jedi Mind Tricks, Grouch and Eligh, all the underground "hip-hop" stuff. They don't rap about murder, drugs, their stupid 26" rims, etc. Their music has meanings and is usually pretty deep.

Thanks for the list! I got into PutS and now I want to check out some more 😀

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: Walleye
I got this out a bit faster than i expected. continued from this thread.

Jay-Z, 50-Cent, Eminem, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, and hundreds of other names that I cant think of right now assosciated with this ultimately tasteless and dangerous ?music? genre. There is no message conveyed in rap music, only greed. These rap ?artists? have no style, no skill, and all sound exactly the same. Who is good, and who is bad, is an arbitrary assignment, by popular culture. Who?s records get sold is luck of the draw, who was lucky enough that the first reviewer said he was good, and thus, dumbass kids will buy it.

Rap grew in popularity first among less affluent inner-city black communities. Much of it is heavily tinged with an anti-white message, which is hypocritical, because if a white entertainer were to use a turnabout of that message in his lyrics, he would be severely reprimanded. In this case, i guess turnabout isn?t fair play. So lyrics are allowed to be as blatantly anti-white as anyone wants, but turnabout is immediately called racist, and the white artist?s records don?t sell. Whoa.

I pulled into a parking lot a couple days to go to my credit union. What did I see? A couple of white dumbass kids (who think they?re badasses) on skate-boards, with fubu clothing, complete with gold chains and other tasteless jewelry, skating on their skateboards through the drive-thru at StarBucks. Some white, obviously well to do kids think they?re awesome now cause they got crappy jewelry and expensive clothes (like the Abercrombie and Fitch of teenage rebellion angst sh1t.) This sickens me. Apparently now it?s cool to be black, or ?ghetto?, rather than luck of the draw as who gets to be what. What does it even fvcking matter?

Rap music itself contains violent messages that people tend to listen to, and then commit. ?money and bitches? or some similar sh1t, that permeates pretty much every damn rap song out there. I don?t want to hear about your money or bitches, for the 50,000th fvcking time. Hell, most rap artists (I use the term in the absolute loosest sense I possibly can) have never even been to a ghetto, and are simply capitalizing off the fact they?re black, and thus, have an easy edge on the market.

A study was done in which young black girls who listened to rap music were said to be less honest, more violent, more sluttish, than young black girls who didn?t listen to rap music. That study was only talking about young girls, but the effects are quite substantial, and the same effects would apply to young males, of any ethnicity.

I have no interest in seeking legislation against Rap music. I do think that we should more aggressively pursue the incitation of crimes laws against Rap ?artists?. I also think that it?s simply dumb to listen to this crap.

Alright. My skin is flame proof, so I don?t even need to don a flame proof suit.

OMG that's gotta be the funniest post i ever read. Out of all the conservative and liberal posts that go on here on ATOT, this is the most blatant, non-factual post i've ever read. It's too bad you got banned for a week. Perhaps you'll find a way to read this.

Let's start with this statment.
Rap grew in popularity first among less affluent inner-city black communities. Much of it is heavily tinged with an anti-white message, which is hypocritical, because if a white entertainer were to use a turnabout of that message in his lyrics, he would be severely reprimanded. In this case, i guess turnabout isn?t fair play. So lyrics are allowed to be as blatantly anti-white as anyone wants, but turnabout is immediately called racist, and the white artist?s records don?t sell. Whoa.

Did you only listen to rap when you were in middle school or something? Do you not know the origins of Rap music? Obviously you don't. Let's start with the basics. Rap (MC'ing) is 1 of the 4 elements of Hip-Hop. Others being, Dancing, Graffiti and DJ'ing. Rap music started as a huge block party in the NY Burroughs. The Black Communities gathered in the park and enjoyed the weather and company. People on the mic would start rhyming about having good times and such. Nothing against White people at all. In fact, the first rap song to garner the attention of the public and maybe teh god daddy of popular rap music is Rapper's Delight by Sugar Hill Gang -- let's take a few excerpts from the song ..

now what you hear is not a test--i'm rappin to the beat
and me, the groove, and my friends are gonna try to move your feet
see i am wonder mike and i like to say hello
to the black, to the white, the red, and the brown, the purple and yellow ..

i'm goin down in history
as the baddest rapper there could ever be
now i'm feelin the highs and ya feelin the lows
the beat starts gettin into your toes
ya start poppin ya fingers and stompin your feet
and movin your body while youre sittin in your seat

-- wow .. didn't know they so much hate filled lyrics for white people in the song.

With all music, people are gonna have a different expressions. Sugar Hill Gang and others wanted to play light hearted, jovial, fun music. Others like, Grand Master Flash - Flash the Message rapped about their surroundings and the living conditions of their hood. LoL, no message? Grand Master Flash just Flashed the MESSAGE

I hope that takes care of your "Origins of Rap" music. Please, if you're gonna make it up at least be creative.

The Parking Lot Incident
Can't fault people for being cool. Hell you start and post in threads just to post and be popular. Take notes.

State of Rap Music
Rap music itself contains violent messages that people tend to listen to, and then commit. ?money and bitches? or some similar sh1t, that permeates pretty much every damn rap song out there. I don?t want to hear about your money or bitches, for the 50,000th fvcking time. Hell, most rap artists (I use the term in the absolute loosest sense I possibly can) have never even been to a ghetto, and are simply capitalizing off the fact they?re black, and thus, have an easy edge on the market.

Muahhahahahahhaha. Let's run off a short list of mainstream rappers a few not so popular rappers who don't fit your mold. Nas, The Fugees, OutKast, The Pharcyde, De La Soul, Gang Starr, Jurassic 5, Will Smith, Mos Def. If you wanted to eat a REAL hamburger. Do you go to a place like McDonalds or the place that everyone reccommends. The same applies to music. You can listen to what the radio plays or talk to people how are into the music and find out what's DIFFERENT than what's on the radio.

Have YOU ever been to a ghetto. Do you know what the ghetto is like? How do you know they didn't live in the Ghetto? Some might say they were in gangs but really weren't. But the only 'rapper' to ever claim being from the ghetto and wasn't from the ghetto was ... Vanilla Ice. Hrm ..

Do you know how saturated the music business is? It's so saturated that many artists are recording and distributing from their house straight to the streets. The only reason for a contract with the big recording companies is for the money. If you ask me, it's the Music Labels that set the "EDGE" on the market.

The Study
muahahhah .. are you kidding me again? Are you not analytical at all?

- 522 African-American Girls .. where was this sample taken? How voluntary was it? Did they take African-American girls from middle and upper class?

-"During the 12-month study period, for example, 38% picked up a new sexually transmitted disease" -- but they just said "All study participants said they had been sexually active during the six months before the study began, and resided in neighborhoods considered to be of a lower socioeconomic status."
Of course their gonna contract some sort of STD. Are they saying that Rap music with sexual themes caused 38% of the girls to have a STD? pfft.

Enjoy .. it's too damn cold to type in my house.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: GroundZero
Why RAP = cRAP
the same reason you = retard

hey fvcktard, how bout you actually make a paragraph responding to the topic at hand instead of insulting the op?

nah, his summary is enough

 

[BladeWalker]

Too bad Walleye couldn't chime in for awhile. This is not a debate, more so a rant.

His statement about Rappers not having any skill is so ridiculous. It takes a combination of natural talent and practice to do what these guys do.

I do agree that a lot of popular Rap music is offensive, but his approach of attacking Rap as a legitimate form of music is groundless. He would have more support if he just target the artists and their message instead. It's the individual artist that is responsible for his/her music. I do admit that seeing some videos with little kid rappers surrounded by hoochie mammas is somewhat disturbing. Not to mention the fancy cars and the "bling bling" and parading strippers/prostitutes. Those can't be considered healthy messages to youngsters. But I guess the "parent advisory" label is there for a reason. You also have the Rap music that convey strong messages (ie against police brutality) or gospel or just plain fun. MC Hammer and Will Smith being the most obvious examples for the two latter.

I, like most people, enjoy ganster Rap. As a red blooded male, it appeals to my "bad@$$" mentality. Rap, to me, is not meant to play sissy music. Just like Hard Rock and Metal, it is meant to have "attitude". It doesn't have to convey positive messages. I'm an adult so I should be able to enjoy adult music. If you don't like this music don't listen to it. Vote with your money.

 

[Excelsior]

Eveyone...listen up...

50 Cent != all rap. OK?? He has what I call "thug/gangsta" style rap. There is true hip-hop out there, so don't judge it all from guys like him.

 

[spliffstar69]

Here a story of mine

A few years back I used to car pool with a Co-Worker of mine he listened to country and hated Rap music.

But after a few weeks or riding with me this is what he had to say "I like the kind of Rap you listen to sounds good and has some meaning I wont be going out out and buying any of it, but I really like what you listen to"

I replied that's true Hip-Hop you wont be hearing that on the radio or seeing it on the TV.

 

[LordMorpheus]

I don't like rap, but I have heard many rap songs with worthwhile messages.

I just don't like it because I find it musically boring. Only so much can happen with a synth and scratchpads, but its just opinion.

I'll stick to my Jazz and Grateful Dead, you can keep your rap, and we can forget about our unimportant, irrelevant differing muscial tastes.

 

[wicktron]

Alright, alright, so let me get this straight...

DeNiro and Pacino can portray gangsters and killers that do drugs in their movies and be considered movie legends.
But if Snoop portrays a pimp and 50 Cent portrays a thug, all of a sudden, it's "societal fallout."

Come on now. That's ludicrous. Art imitates life, rap is a form of music (gonna get some flack for this from the instrumentalist nerds), which is a form of art. This is the exact thing that makes rap/hip-hop so great. The VERSATILITY. You can rap your ass off about whatever subject matter. Street life, love life, party life, whatever it may be, in rap, you can do it.

Walleye is a hater, period... Fvck it, no need to put more energy in this than necessary.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: wicktron
Alright, alright, so let me get this straight...

DeNiro and Pacino can portray gangsters and killers that do drugs in their movies and be considered movie legends.
But if Snoop portrays a pimp and 50 Cent portrays a thug, all of a sudden, it's "societal fallout."

Come on now. That's ludicrous. Art imitates life, rap is a form of music (gonna get some flack for this from the instrumentalist nerds), which is a form of art. This is the exact thing that makes rap/hip-hop so great. The VERSATILITY. You can rap your ass off about whatever subject matter. Street life, love life, party life, whatever it may be, in rap, you can do it.

Walleye is a hater, period... Fvck it, no need to put more energy in this than necessary.

I'm going to just pretend you didn't just sully the reputation of the good Mr Montana by comparing him to "Fitty Cent". :disgust:

The difference is that the actors are doing just that - acting. I don't think Al Pacino went out and blew up a few dozen people with an M16/M203 combo in a mansion after he walked off the set. Snoop, 50 Cent, and (the late) Tupac all tried to live/lived the "Thug Lyfe". Funny how one of the latter was violently gunned down, and the former lived on.

Play with fire, you get burned. Applies to pretty much every aspect of life.

- M4H

 

[stormbv]

Some people just might feel threatened by aggressive black men.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Most of these arguements from both sides are equally dumb. Let me just start off by saying it all sucks, not just rap.

I consider myself an avid music fan, and I try to listen to a wide spectrum of music, not just rock. I don't care for rap, but it is not because of the message or it makes me angry or I'm racists or any other of that bs. I don't like rap because I don't like the structure of the music, or lack thereof. The entire genre is focused on one thing, the beat. Don't get me wrong, rhythm is very important in a song but so is melody and having the music actually go somewhere. Before you reply, yes I have listened to a lot of rap, and yes a great deal of it is the underground stuff that my roommate and some of my other friends listen to. I'll admit that it is not all bling bling, but I do find the other lyrics to be equally dumb.

The problem is that I think most music nowadays is meant to make people feel like a badass. Look at what is popular now, whether it be rap or metal or fvcking polka someone is trying to come off like they are really something else and because you listen to it your nuts are just that much bigger. It's hard to find stuff out there that really makes you think, and I think that is the whole purpose of music to begin with (not just to pump you up or whatever it is you expect the beats for rap and screaming and banging around for rock).

Lastly, I agree that there are some gems in every genre as well as a plethora of crappy stuff. While I think that it is ignorant to generalize an entire genre, I also think it is equally bad to flame someone over their musical opinion. So Walleye feels that way about rap? Oh well, life goes on. Do any of you honestly feel you are somehow better or smarter than him for thinking differently?

:music:

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Most of these arguements from both sides are equally dumb. Let me just start off by saying it all sucks, not just rap.

I consider myself an avid music fan, and I try to listen to a wide spectrum of music, not just rock. I don't care for rap, but it is not because of the message or it makes me angry or I'm racists or any other of that bs. I don't like rap because I don't like the structure of the music, or lack thereof. The entire genre is focused on one thing, the beat. Don't get me wrong, rhythm is very important in a song but so is melody and having the music actually go somewhere. Before you reply, yes I have listened to a lot of rap, and yes a great deal of it is the underground stuff that my roommate and some of my other friends listen to. I'll admit that it is not all bling bling, but I do find the other lyrics to be equally dumb.

The problem is that I think most music nowadays is meant to make people feel like a badass. Look at what is popular now, whether it be rap or metal or fvcking polka someone is trying to come off like they are really something else and because you listen to it your nuts are just that much bigger. It's hard to find stuff out there that really makes you think, and I think that is the whole purpose of music to begin with (not just to pump you up or whatever it is you expect the beats for rap and screaming and banging around for rock).

Lastly, I agree that there are some gems in every genre as well as a plethora of crappy stuff. While I think that it is ignorant to generalize an entire genre, I also think it is equally bad to flame someone over their musical opinion. So Walleye feels that way about rap? Oh well, life goes on. Do any of you honestly feel you are somehow better or smarter than him for thinking differently?

:music:

Please tell me you are only speaking of the aformentioned "thug" rap. Otherwise, you are horrbly wrong.

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
If rap takes no skill, then just start your own rapping career. Do it for a year, release your album, make millions, and then retire a multi millionaire.

Well all I know is you sure don't have to know how to play an instrument to be a rap artist....LOL!

Oh yeah, and to make a video you just have a party in your ghetto with some low rider cars hopping around and everyone drinking malt liquor! Oh yeah and some bit*h's dancing around too and guys flashing gang signs.

So original...

Ahh well, guess Im just sick of those videos. I actually like some rap music, but not a whole lot impresses me. But each to his own.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Most of these arguements from both sides are equally dumb. Let me just start off by saying it all sucks, not just rap.

I consider myself an avid music fan, and I try to listen to a wide spectrum of music, not just rock. I don't care for rap, but it is not because of the message or it makes me angry or I'm racists or any other of that bs. I don't like rap because I don't like the structure of the music, or lack thereof. The entire genre is focused on one thing, the beat. Don't get me wrong, rhythm is very important in a song but so is melody and having the music actually go somewhere. Before you reply, yes I have listened to a lot of rap, and yes a great deal of it is the underground stuff that my roommate and some of my other friends listen to. I'll admit that it is not all bling bling, but I do find the other lyrics to be equally dumb.

The problem is that I think most music nowadays is meant to make people feel like a badass. Look at what is popular now, whether it be rap or metal or fvcking polka someone is trying to come off like they are really something else and because you listen to it your nuts are just that much bigger. It's hard to find stuff out there that really makes you think, and I think that is the whole purpose of music to begin with (not just to pump you up or whatever it is you expect the beats for rap and screaming and banging around for rock).

Lastly, I agree that there are some gems in every genre as well as a plethora of crappy stuff. While I think that it is ignorant to generalize an entire genre, I also think it is equally bad to flame someone over their musical opinion. So Walleye feels that way about rap? Oh well, life goes on. Do any of you honestly feel you are somehow better or smarter than him for thinking differently?

:music:

Please tell me you are only speaking of the aformentioned "thug" rap. Otherwise, you are horrbly wrong.

How so?

 

[Brutuskend]

My opinion on Rap.

It has NO redeeming social value at all.

Bottom line.

End of story.