Continuing border issues

[cwjerome]

Not a whole lot to say other than we should have seen this coming a long time ago. From the article: "Phoenix now ranks second in the world in kidnappings for ransom, behind Mexico City. In 2008, Phoenix reported 366 abductions, mostly tied to Mexican human smugglers and narcotics gangs."


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[blackangst1]

Come on now. Theyre just trying to better themselves and their families.

 

[feralkid]

Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

 

[Genx87]

I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

Or legalize it taking the profits away for this cocksuckers.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

1. check

2. check

3. ??? I'm blaming the illegals, not Mexico ????

4. Identify, prosecute, and fine (even jail in some cases) people who are hiring the illegals

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: feralkid
Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

Or legalize it taking the profits away for this cocksuckers.

Even better, but unfortunately about as likely to happen as my solution.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: feralkid
Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

1. check

2. check

3. ??? I'm blaming the illegals, not Mexico ????

4. Identify, prosecute, and fine (even jail in some cases) people who are hiring the illegals

#3 Was more of a suggestion/grande finale after the first two became reality.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It was legalized at one point in our history. Could buy heroine and cocaine from the sears robuck catalog. What we got from drug and alcohol prohibition is the rise of the mafia and drug cartels and the crime network associated with them.

It is harder to get cigarettes and alcohol in schools than it is drugs. That should be the first sign the drug war fails. Then you have situations like Phoenix where drug lords are kidnapping people for ransom.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It was legalized at one point in our history. Could buy heroine and cocaine from the sears robuck catalog. What we got from drug and alcohol prohibition is the rise of the mafia and drug cartels and the crime network associated with them.

It is harder to get cigarettes and alcohol in schools than it is drugs. That should be the first sign the drug war fails. Then you have situations like Phoenix where drug lords are kidnapping people for ransom.

Thanks for the history lesson. So whats your opinion to my question?

 

[Jaskalas]

How can violence spill over the border if there is no border?

More seriously though, maybe we should build a freaking fence. Or at this point, let?s have a REAL spending bill. I?ll call it the Great Wall of America.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It's a solution but would the solution be worse than the problem? Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It's a solution but would the solution be worse than the problem? Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

Yep. For those who think legalizing opiates, they need to go read about Bayer, Heinrich Dreser, and why we outlawed heroin.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It was legalized at one point in our history. Could buy heroine and cocaine from the sears robuck catalog. What we got from drug and alcohol prohibition is the rise of the mafia and drug cartels and the crime network associated with them.

It is harder to get cigarettes and alcohol in schools than it is drugs. That should be the first sign the drug war fails. Then you have situations like Phoenix where drug lords are kidnapping people for ransom.

Thanks for the history lesson. So whats your opinion to my question?

What, the smuggling question? Legalize the drugs and there wont be any smuggling going on.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It's a solution but would the solution be worse than the problem? Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

Yep. For those who think legalizing opiates, they need to go read about Bayer, Heinrich Dreser, and why we outlawed heroin.

Opiates started losing their appeal when farmwives started taking them to cure bordom. Before that the inner city bums used it and nobody cared. Either way it is like anything that is addictive. You need self control.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It's a solution but would the solution be worse than the problem? Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

Yep. For those who think legalizing opiates, they need to go read about Bayer, Heinrich Dreser, and why we outlawed heroin.

Opiates started losing their appeal when farmwives started taking them to cure bordom. Before that the inner city bums used it and nobody cared. Either way it is like anything that is addictive. You need self control.

Well, thats part of the story. A small one. You should re-read the history if you care.

And youre statement: "Either way it is like anything that is addictive. You need self control." is absolute ignorance in its purest form. Addiction and self control cannot co-exist.

Legalizing hard drugs is a nice fairy tale, but naive. We're more likely to have a balanced budget by next year than that happening. And we all know the chances of that.

 

[Socio]

More on the border;

After threats, Juárez mayor in El Paso

Police are investigating threats against Juárez Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz, who moved his family to El Paso for safety, El Paso police Detective Carlos Carrillo said Monday.

"We received information that the Juárez mayor lives in El Paso, and that possibly they were going to come to El Paso to get him," Carrillo said. "He has not asked us for our help, but it's our duty to protect any resident of our city who may be under threat."

I am not sure how this works where a mayor from another country can just move himself and family in to the US?

Asylum clause perhaps?

Regardless it is pretty sad that the Mayor of Juarez has such weakarse police enforcement he has to come here and make his protection our problem, inviting his cities problems in to our country in doing so.

If one American is killed on our side of the border because of the violence trailing in behind this mayor then our officials whom knew they would put everyone at risk by allowing this high profile target to hide here need to face murder charges!

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: feralkid
Simple solution:

1. Stop buying Meth, Cocaine and Marijuana.

2. Stop hiring illegal aliens.

3. Stop blaming Mexico for our problems.

Or legalize it taking the profits away for this cocksuckers.

Right because then they'll just give up and stop trying to find ways to fund their gang. If you want a sure way to increase kidnapping, then yes, I can see why you'd want to legalize drugs.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87
I heard about this. Though if we abandoned this silly drug war a lot of this would cease. I heard somebody talking about this 2 weeks ago. What happens is a local drug pin gets his drugs taken by the police or rival gangs. The guy above him demands payment or he ends up in a hole in the desert Nicky Santoro style. So they kidnap somebody to get the cash required to pay off the guy above them.

So, just ignore the smuggling is the solution? What do you mean drop the drug war....ignore it?

Legalize many of these narcotics and the cartels lose their source of income. Without income these implode.

You realize weed is a minor smuggling import compared to the rest right? Or are you proposing legalizing the hard shit? I dont want to get into yet another legalization topic, but the only drug that is even close (and it isnt that close) to legalization is pot.

It's a solution but would the solution be worse than the problem? Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

Yep. For those who think legalizing opiates, they need to go read about Bayer, Heinrich Dreser, and why we outlawed heroin.

Opiates started losing their appeal when farmwives started taking them to cure bordom. Before that the inner city bums used it and nobody cared. Either way it is like anything that is addictive. You need self control.

Well, thats part of the story. A small one. You should re-read the history if you care.

And youre statement: "Either way it is like anything that is addictive. You need self control." is absolute ignorance in its purest form. Addiction and self control cannot co-exist.

Legalizing hard drugs is a nice fairy tale, but naive. We're more likely to have a balanced budget by next year than that happening. And we all know the chances of that.

Hey continue bashing your head against the wall and complaining about drug dealers kidnapping people at alarming rates. No skin off my back right now. This is the result of the futile drug war you wish to continue.

/shrug

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Meth is pretty insidious as is Heroin. Both steal a persons soul and leaves them just a shell of a Human Being.

Kind of like P&N.

 

[piasabird]

These drug gangs have taken over most of Mexico, Is that what you want in the USA? If we ignore this expect more violence, not less!!!

I dont smoke.
I dont drink Alcohol (Not even cold medicine).
I dont drink Coffee or Tea.

What are you addicted to?