Contemplating how and why conservatives see liberals as they do:

[Moonbeam]

Conservatives have pretty much taken control of the country and it seems to have caused quite a reaction among liberals. The following piece, I think, nicely describes how conservatives see liberals:

https://patriotpost.us/articles/48898

Your assignment, should you chose to accept it, is, if you are liberal, to determine if any of the critique hits the mark, and, if conservative, state what you disagree with. It may prove difficult not to cross those lines. See if you can avoid that.

I can start by saying that the idea that the tolerance of liberals has fractured when it comes to conservatives and they do not practice that tolerance to them appears to be correct.

 

[agent00f]

Conservatives have pretty much taken control of the country and it seems to have caused quite a reaction among liberals. The following piece, I think, nicely describes how conservatives see liberals:

https://patriotpost.us/articles/48898

Your assignment, should you chose to accept it, is, if you are liberal, to determine if any of the critique hits the mark, and, if conservative, state what you disagree with. It may prove difficult not to cross those lines. See if you can avoid that.

I can start by saying that the idea that the tolerance of liberals has fractured when it comes to conservatives and they do not practice that tolerance to them appears to be correct.

Yawn, it's in the interest of racists & such to portray themselves as the Real victims, and in the interest of BothSides types to believe them.

Taking these people at their word instead of as a devious threat to modern society is why liberals lose.

 

[vi edit]

Is that site basically Breitbart Lite?

 

[FIVR]

Moonbeam go peddle your Trump-supporting BS elsewhere, people on this forum are mostly smart enough to realize you don't have anything to offer here. Which is why you only get an answer to 1 in 10 of your 80 or so posts per day.

 

[Victorian Gray]

and for some actual information, an interesting study by PEW from last year

Partisanship and Political Animosity in 2016

http://www.people-press.org/2016/06/22/partisanship-and-political-animosity-in-2016/

 

[agent00f]

Is that site basically Breitbart Lite?

Yes, and moonbeam asks how much students of the enlightenment should agree with it. Next up, the klan: why won't liberal hypocrites tolerate their msg?

 

[bshole]

and for some actual information, an interesting study by PEW from last year

http://www.people-press.org/2016/06/22/partisanship-and-political-animosity-in-2016/

Hilarious the hate flows both ways I guess. That is part of being human. The whole in-group/out-group thing is a physical thing in our brains (for example the deep and abiding hatred I have for members of the Alliance in WoW.... I murder those f uckers whenever I find them alone....). That is NEVER going away. The best way to minimize it in a society is to have flourishing economy where the lower and middle classes do well.

 

[xthetenth]

I can start by saying that the idea that the tolerance of liberals has fractured when it comes to conservatives and they do not practice that tolerance to them appears to be correct.

Tolerance is reserved for ideas and actions which do not cause direct, obvious harm.

Tolerance of evil is complicity in evil.

Asking someone to tolerate your existence places you in the right, asking someone to tolerate your opposition to their existence is craven and perverse.

I hope this knowledge finds you well and guides you on your journey.

 

[Moonbeam]

It does look like conservatives have cut through what must have only been a veneer of tolerance among liberals. The sore toes are so great everybody needs to stick them if each others faces. Can't even back off a second to consider the accuracy of what people who beat you in elections think. A recipe for losing..................

 

[theeedude]

Conservatives are idiots, who cares what they think? What they deserve as a result of their own ideology is to have their jobs automated and outsourced away, health care taken away, and to be fleeced and hooked on opioids until they die an early death. Everything else they get is a result of liberal mercy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Tolerance is reserved for ideas and actions which do not cause direct, obvious harm.

Tolerance of evil is complicity in evil.

Asking someone to tolerate your existence places you in the right, asking someone to tolerate your opposition to their existence is craven and perverse.

I hope this knowledge finds you well and guides you on your journey.

Why do you call this opinion of yours to be knowledge? If I fail to see what you call truth, how will you convince me. Isn't anybody who has a different opinion entitled to it if they prefer it over yours. All you offer as far as I can see is your own personal moral convictions. How am I to know which of us has a better view?

Isn't the intolerance of conservatives for liberals based on all the same things. Democrats are evil. To be complicit with them is evil. And blah blah blah......... You seem unable to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. When you decide the other is evil all your theories fall into place just as theirs do for them. What you hate is what you see in the mirror. And if you are right about them they are certainly right about you, but in greater numbers where it matters in elections. You may hate yourself and that's why you love to lose.

 

[Moonbeam]

Conservatives are idiots, who cares what they think? What they deserve as a result of their own ideology is to have their jobs automated and outsourced away, health care taken away, and to be fleeced and hooked on opioids until they die an early death. Everything else they get is a result of liberal mercy.

Nice demonstration of liberal mercy. If oh if of if we had the votes we could vote to withdraw all help. Wouldn't that feel so good?

 

[woolfe9998]

Out of curiosity Moonbeam, what precisely would you have liberals do in terms of "tolerating" conservatives more than they do? Please try to be concrete in your answer.

 

[agent00f]

Let's say for the sake of argument that conservatives elect someone who molests women, panders to racists, pervs on underage girls and commits treason against the country. You could imagine in that hypothetical circumstance good people might not stand for it, and would thus cast that lot in a very negative light. You could also imagine that fans of molestation & racism & treason wouldn't enjoy being cast in a bad light, and thus pretend it's actually the objectively good people who are evil and it's they who're the victims here.

Moonbeam and fellow bothsides types would weigh both arguments equally because that's what they do (after all the degenerates even won the election in this hypothetical), and ask why the good people are being so mean to the objectively terrible ones. If only good could be more compassionate then selfish evil would just stop. Now, I don't think they even believe that themselves, but just like degenerate people it's what they're programmed to do no matter the reality.

Seems obvious that the only possible hope in such a situation is for people who can think and learn for themselves to do what they can to rectify the various issues, such as exposing bothsiders and degenerates for what they are, and employ a system of incentives on self-interested parties to at least do less harm.

 

[agent00f]

Why do you call this opinion of yours to be knowledge? If I fail to see what you call truth, how will you convince me. Isn't anybody who has a different opinion entitled to it if they prefer it over yours. All you offer as far as I can see is your own personal moral convictions. How am I to know which of us has a better view?

Isn't the intolerance of conservatives for liberals based on all the same things. Democrats are evil. To be complicit with them is evil. And blah blah blah......... You seem unable to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. When you decide the other is evil all your theories fall into place just as theirs do for them. What you hate is what you see in the mirror. And if you are right about them they are certainly right about you, but in greater numbers where it matters in elections. You may hate yourself and that's why you love to lose.

No, I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know molesting women, pandering to racists, perving on underage girls and commiting treason against the country is evil. And so did the nazis no matter how much you need to apologize for them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Out of curiosity Moonbeam, what precisely would you have liberals do in terms of "tolerating" conservatives more than they do? Please try to be concrete in your answer.

As Moonbeam's article points out, conservatives see liberal tolerance as patronizing. They often approach issues based on the way they feel rather than on the basis of rational consideration. Once they're riled up they tend to do so even more strongly. Right wing propagandists have kept them riled up for decades.

 

[agent00f]

As Moonbeam's article points out, conservatives see liberal tolerance as patronizing. They often approach issues based on the way they feel rather than on the basis of rational consideration. Once they're riled up they tend to do so even more strongly. Right wing propagandists have kept them riled up for decades.

No, it's more rational to be criminal if you can get away with it. Get away with enough and you can even be president. Good thing for conservatives they're got all their guys and half the liberals helping them get away with anything.

 

[woolfe9998]

As Moonbeam's article points out, conservatives see liberal tolerance as patronizing. They often approach issues based on the way they feel rather than on the basis of rational consideration. Once they're riled up they tend to do so even more strongly. Right wing propagandists have kept them riled up for decades.

I see it as a kind of vicious cycle. Right wing agitprop gets them riled up to where they become so motivated by emotion, particularly anger and fear, and their resulting behavior is irrational. Liberals respond to this behavior by becoming increasingly patronizing, dismissive, and/or insulting, which then in turn causes conservatives to see liberals as intolerant, making them even more angry and irrational.

I still think there is an argument for at least trying to be patient with the ones who possess even a small kernel of rationality, but otherwise I'm at loss for what liberals can do to help bridge this massive gap. That's why I want Moonbeam to stop accusing and start being specific about what he suggests.

 

[agent00f]

I see it as a kind of vicious cycle. Right wing agitprop gets them riled up to where they become so motivated by emotion, particularly anger and fear, and their resulting behavior is irrational. Liberals respond to this behavior by becoming increasingly patronizing, dismissive, and/or insulting, which then in turn causes conservatives to see liberals as intolerant, making them even more irrational.

I still think there is an argument for at least trying to be patient with the ones who possess even a small kernel of rationality, but otherwise I'm at loss for what liberals can do to help bridge this massive gap. That's why I want Moonbeam to stop accusing and start being specific about what he suggests.

I think you should apologize for them some more along with Jhhnn & Moonbeam. And once we get muslim/mexican segregation you guys can ask nicely for civil rights again, just like every degen wishes for. I'm sure it'll work this time.

Haha, conservatives r so dum, amirite?

 

[Jhhnn]

No, it's more rational to be criminal if you can get away with it. Get away with enough and you can even be president. Good think for conservatives they're got all their guys and half the liberals help them get away with anything.

I save that attribution for the Repub leadership. They've been exceedingly successful at radicalizing & crazifying a lot of people. Middle class conservatives are deeply exploited at an emotional level, mostly by fear rather than avarice.

 

[agent00f]

I save that attribution for the Repub leadership. They've been exceedingly successful at radicalizing & crazifying a lot of people. Middle class conservatives are deeply exploited at an emotional level, mostly by fear rather than avarice.

No, literally every degenerates knows they can do *anything*, and you'll just scapegoat their figureheads. Ponder for a while why shouldn't they be degenerate given lack of any consequences. Advocate for muslim genocide to cement their white nationalist social status and collect white welfare? Oh it's those dastardly gop bourgeois again.

If liberals are supposedly smart, why are they the only ones having trouble grasping simple self-interest? Seriously, not even buckshot/roflmouth are remotely that dumb.

 

[woolfe9998]

No, literally every degenerates knows they can do *anything*, and you'll just scapegoat their figureheads. Ponder for a while why shouldn't they be degenerate given lack of any consequences. Advocate for muslim genocide to cement their white nationalist social status and collect white welfare? Oh it's those dastardly gop bourgeois again.

If liberals are supposedly smart, why are they the only ones having trouble grasping simple self-interest? Seriously, not even buckshot/roflmouth are remotely that dumb.

You actually think GOP policies are in the best interests of the bulk of conservative voters? Not a chance. These people are being conned.

 

[agent00f]

You actually think GOP policies are in the best interests of the bulk of conservative voters? Not a chance. These people are being conned.

Why do you think trumpsters have well above average 72k annual income despite significantly below average educational attainment? Gee I wonder why they're so fundamentally threatened by AA or anything of the like. Must be the racists are so very dumb and libtards with massive college debts are so very smart.

 

[woolfe9998]

Why do you think trumpsters have well above average 72k annual income despite significantly below average educational attainment? Gee I wonder why they're so fundamentally threatened by AA or anything of the like. Must be the racists are so very dumb and libtards with massive college debts are so very smart.

You really think people making $72K or, for that matter, $100K, will benefit from the GOP's policies? The only people who really benefit are way farther up than that, a vanishingly small percentage of the voters for either candidate. I stand by what I said, GOP policies are terrible for virtually everyone in this country who isn't decidedly wealthy.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I blame disingenuous manufactured politicians who are disconnected from reality and can not relate to most peoples lives because they have their heads stuck up their bottoms. .