Constantly breaking the law

[invidia]

If I can find the article, I'll post it, but:

Today I saw local news today, 2 men robbed a gas station sometime last night. A civilian outside was shot to death by one of the men. The man who fired the shots had a long list of previous criminal activities ranging from petty theft to assault. He just got out of prison a week ago for robbery and assault. Apparently, he was a gang member.

It got me thinking, how many chances in life should a purely guilty criminal get to start over?

Note: I bolded purely guilty where there are undeniable evidence and witnesses.

 

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[coldmeat]

depends on what he did.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: coldmeat
depends on what he did.

Yep. If it's littering or minor shoplifting, vs assault, its a different story.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Mandatory Sentencing = Epic Fail

 

[Bignate603]

I believe most people deserve a second chance, especially minor stuff.

 

[CKent]

Silly poll, it equates murder to shoplifting.

I think those convicted of violent crimes should have prior offenses weighted less - jail them for the length of time that the crime they're being jailed for warrants. Convicted murderers should never get out. And those whose guilt for homicide cannot be questioned should be dropped from 50,000 feet onto a parking lot. Better yet, drop them on the Writers' Guild of America - two birds with one stone.

 

[ViviTheMage]

3 strikes is the rule I believe.

 

[ric1287]

3 strikes for bad shit, case by case on other stuff.

If you prove that you cannot live in society, you shouldn't be allowed to

 

[Cogman]

I think punishment should escalate, but there shouldn't be a set number of chances. The first time you speed it should be a $10 fine, next time $20. ect.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

thats rehabilitation for you. go in for petty theft come out a gun toting murderer

 

[BurnItDwn]

The entire justice system is fvcked up.
We lock people in cages for years for crimes that take seconds to commit.

The US should really bring back corporal punishment.
I would argue that time is more valuable than a little bit of pain, and therefore, caning somebody is not cruel or excessive when compared to caging somebody for eternity.

For all violent crimes, Punishment should include caning. The caning should be done in a manner such that it never threatens ending the life of a convict. I should also be done in a manner to try to minimize permanent disfigurement.

Prison sentences should be MUCH shorter.


Example: Somebody rob's a 7 11.
Suggested Punishment: Cane them weekly for 2 months.
No TV, no internet, no luxury of any kind while in prison.
After 2 months, then put in job placement pool. Release after job is found.

If they are later found innocent and the conviction reversed, lots less of the person's time will be wasted.

Thus, caning is more humane than cages.


People should get lots of chances unless they fuck up really bad (ie, if they kill someone or if they commit mass fraud which hurts a LOT of people)

 

[Scarpozzi]

It totally depends on their race.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The entire justice system is fvcked up.
We lock people in cages for years for crimes that take seconds to commit.

The US should really bring back corporal punishment.
I would argue that time is more valuable than a little bit of pain, and therefore, caning somebody is not cruel or excessive when compared to caging somebody for eternity.

For all violent crimes, Punishment should include caning. The caning should be done in a manner such that it never threatens ending the life of a convict. I should also be done in a manner to try to minimize permanent disfigurement.

Prison sentences should be MUCH shorter.


Example: Somebody rob's a 7 11.
Suggested Punishment: Cane them weekly for 2 months.
No TV, no internet, no luxury of any kind while in prison.
After 2 months, then put in job placement pool. Release after job is found.

If they are later found innocent and the conviction reversed, lots less of the person's time will be wasted.

Thus, caning is more humane than cages.


People should get lots of chances unless they fuck up really bad (ie, if they kill someone or if they commit mass fraud which hurts a LOT of people)

You give people too much credit.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The entire justice system is fvcked up.
We lock people in cages for years for crimes that take seconds to commit.

The US should really bring back corporal punishment.
I would argue that time is more valuable than a little bit of pain, and therefore, caning somebody is not cruel or excessive when compared to caging somebody for eternity.

For all violent crimes, Punishment should include caning. The caning should be done in a manner such that it never threatens ending the life of a convict. I should also be done in a manner to try to minimize permanent disfigurement.

Prison sentences should be MUCH shorter.


Example: Somebody rob's a 7 11.
Suggested Punishment: Cane them weekly for 2 months.
No TV, no internet, no luxury of any kind while in prison.
After 2 months, then put in job placement pool. Release after job is found.

If they are later found innocent and the conviction reversed, lots less of the person's time will be wasted.

Thus, caning is more humane than cages.


People should get lots of chances unless they fuck up really bad (ie, if they kill someone or if they commit mass fraud which hurts a LOT of people)

You give people too much credit.

If they want to commit crimes after being caned, it means they weren't caned hard enough. Each chance they get, the cane goes up a size.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
It totally depends on their race and whether they are a celebrity.

fixed

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
thats rehabilitation for you. go in for petty theft come out a gun toting murderer

Your assumption is that he wasn't that beforehand... it's entirely possible that he was, and only got CAUGHT for a minor charge.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The entire justice system is fvcked up.
We lock people in cages for years for crimes that take seconds to commit.

The US should really bring back corporal punishment.
I would argue that time is more valuable than a little bit of pain, and therefore, caning somebody is not cruel or excessive when compared to caging somebody for eternity.

For all violent crimes, Punishment should include caning. The caning should be done in a manner such that it never threatens ending the life of a convict. I should also be done in a manner to try to minimize permanent disfigurement.

Prison sentences should be MUCH shorter.


Example: Somebody rob's a 7 11.
Suggested Punishment: Cane them weekly for 2 months.
No TV, no internet, no luxury of any kind while in prison.
After 2 months, then put in job placement pool. Release after job is found.

If they are later found innocent and the conviction reversed, lots less of the person's time will be wasted.

Thus, caning is more humane than cages.


People should get lots of chances unless they fuck up really bad (ie, if they kill someone or if they commit mass fraud which hurts a LOT of people)

You give people too much credit.

If they want to commit crimes after being caned, it means they weren't caned hard enough. Each chance they get, the cane goes up a size.

No, I say chop off the hands.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
thats rehabilitation for you. go in for petty theft come out a gun toting murderer

Your assumption is that he wasn't that beforehand... it's entirely possible that he was, and only got CAUGHT for a minor charge.

This type of thing happens all the time. Its well known they come out worse off than they go in. Prison is nothing but criminal training camp.

But yes it is an assumption but probably more likely than your scenario.

 

[Psynaut]

I voted zero. I say we should throw those guilty bastards in jail before they have done anything. That way we drop the crime rate to zero. the logic is irrefutable.

 

[Tim]

I voted 1.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Psynaut
I voted zero. I say we should throw those guilty bastards in jail before they have done anything. That way we drop the crime rate to zero. the logic is irrefutable.

Minority Report ftw? :Q

 

[jjones]

I'm all for leniency in the justice system, because sometimes shit happens, but I'm also for cruel and unusual punishment, prison slave labor for the convicted, and shorter sentences. Prison should be a place you don't want to go because life is horrible in every aspect, not just because you're gonna get butt-raped once in a while if you don't have protection inside. There should also be a substantially effective rehabilitation and reintegration program.

Oh, and I'm also for eliminating prison sentences for drug related crimes.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The entire justice system is fvcked up.
We lock people in cages for years for crimes that take seconds to commit.

The US should really bring back corporal punishment.
I would argue that time is more valuable than a little bit of pain, and therefore, caning somebody is not cruel or excessive when compared to caging somebody for eternity.

For all violent crimes, Punishment should include caning. The caning should be done in a manner such that it never threatens ending the life of a convict. I should also be done in a manner to try to minimize permanent disfigurement.

Prison sentences should be MUCH shorter.


Example: Somebody rob's a 7 11.
Suggested Punishment: Cane them weekly for 2 months.
No TV, no internet, no luxury of any kind while in prison.
After 2 months, then put in job placement pool. Release after job is found.

If they are later found innocent and the conviction reversed, lots less of the person's time will be wasted.

Thus, caning is more humane than cages.


People should get lots of chances unless they fuck up really bad (ie, if they kill someone or if they commit mass fraud which hurts a LOT of people)

You give people too much credit.

If they want to commit crimes after being caned, it means they weren't caned hard enough. Each chance they get, the cane goes up a size.

No, I say chop off the hands.

Only if there is a way to reattach the hand should they be discovered to actually be innocent.

 

[dullard]

While it should depend on the severity of the crime, I think the punishment should go up significantly with each additional conviction.

For each conviction, on average the criminal did a similar crime 10 times. Thus, if you are convicted thrice for shoplifting, then you probably shoplifted around 30 times but were only caught on three occasions. Search the internet and you'll find those statistics described by studies. Or think about speeding. Honestly, for every speeding ticket that you got, how many times did you really speed?

Thus, each punishment should START at being 10 times worse than the crime. Steal $1000 in merchandise? Your first punishment should be a $10,000 fine or you can exchange some jail time to reduce the fine. A rate of $5,000 per month in jail seems good to me, with a 2 month sentence, but feel free to adjust that number.

Your next punishment should be far greater. I propose 10x greater. Remember, you probably broke the law an additional 10 times between the first and second time you were caught. Thus, not only did you not learn your lesson, but you still did it on average 10 times again! The soft first punishment didn't do the job, so the next should be significantly more severe hopefully to really teach you a lesson (plus I like retribution). Caught stealing $1000 for the second time? Now you owe $100,000 in fines. Or you can exchange jail time for it if you can't pony up for the fine. At my suggested $5k/month, this means a 20 month jail sentence.

More crimes -> even more strict punishment (10x more for each similar crime sounds good to me). If you are caught stealing $1000 for the third time, you should now pay $1,000,000. Or of course that can be paid for with 200 months in jail (16 years) at $5000/month. The punishment should of course fit the crime. If your third crime is failing to stop fully at a stop sign, you shouldn't get 16 years in prison. But you should be punished quite severely for failing to stop 3 times.