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jonnyfin

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i've been doing some thinking lately and it may be a good idea to have a "million man march" on d.c. and take our country back from these whackos we have in office... let me elaborate:

first, there is the interent mistrust of our own gov't: operation northwoods This was actually covered in a previous thread.

Then lets take for example, the ayatollah kohmeni seizes power in iran, ousting the shah (good friend of u.s. gov't) - Iraq shortly after invades Iran, with financial and military support from u.s. of course)

soviets invade afghanistan, the u.s. gov't funds the afghani people (taliban to be specific) with military and finance to fend off the red scourge.

Why are these arabs suddenly the u.s.'s worst enemy? Could it have anything to do with Israel?

Before I go any further I want to state that I am not an anti-semite, or anti-anything. i'm just a guy who wants to know what the hell is going on, how we got here, and how we can fix it!

Why does the u.s. provide $3 billion+ a year to Israel? we have homeless children in our own country, we have hard working people who cannot afford health insurance!

For this type of money just "given" away we could have a nationalized basic health care system. I don't remember voting to provide this kind of aide! where the hell does this stuff come from?

Here is an excerpt from the sustain campaign

The total U.S. foreign aid to the whole world (6 Billion people) is about $18 BILLION, so, the one thousandth (1/1000) of the world population living in Israel gets one third of US aid. Also, Israel's GNP is around $24 Billion, i.e. a quarter of Israel's income comes from the U.S. The Aid to Israel is in the form of loans.

I gotta be honest, if this stuff really happens I can understand why the arabs are bent at the u.s. Our gov't is funding expansion of the Israeli state at the cost of our tax dollars, and the lives and land of palestinians.

Now... retorts
 
the US didn't fund the taliban during the soviet afghanistan war kthx


the US also provides like 2 billion to egypt
 
That Sustain group can't even do a proper web page, and thier was no massacre in Jenin.

We have also been through the aid to Israel thing before. Israel is supported due to moral and cultural ties to the US (remember that thing called the Holocaust), not for strategic or economic reasons.
 
Yup, the Taliban did not exist until after well after the soviets pulled out.

Taliban is just another name for Mujahadins......
The Taliban came from Pakistan, which was a big recipient of the US military aid......
Israel is supported due to moral and cultural ties to the US (remember that thing called the Holocaust), not for strategic or economic reasons.
Then what about the Poles?
 
taliban / u.s. funding

point taken, but i think you understand where i'm trying to go. obl received weapons and training from u.s. forces
 
Originally posted by: jonnyfin
taliban / u.s. funding

point taken, but i think you understand where i'm trying to go. obl received weapons and training from u.s. forces

OBL wasn't our enemy then, he was actually a pretty good ally of convenience the enemy of my enemy is my friend etc. He only decided to go after us after we commited the sin of placing non muslim troops in the Muslim holy lands. He really really couldn't take that.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
Yup, the Taliban did not exist until after well after the soviets pulled out.

Taliban is just another name for Mujahadins......
The Taliban came from Pakistan, which was a big recipient of the US military aid......
Israel is supported due to moral and cultural ties to the US (remember that thing called the Holocaust), not for strategic or economic reasons.
Then what about the Poles?

What about the Poles?? I am missing something here, sorry.
 
Originally posted by: jonnyfin
you're missing the point... what is up with the foreign aid policy?

just like just about everything else congress spends, they think its their money so they do what will get them votes.
 
Israel is supported due to moral and cultural ties to the US (remember that thing called the Holocaust), not for strategic or economic reasons.

Poles should get this kind of support because of the Holocaust too...
link
Beside, the US should not pay for Holocaust :Q
Germany should pay.....
 
good point. what about the poles, what about descendents of slaves brought to this country? this is a complete double standard. The holocaust was a terrible, terrible event, one that should never be forgotten. But this country is not responsible for that. Why are my tax dollars funding this? Isn't there that seperation of church and state? c'mon, my church already gets enough of my money!
 
Originally posted by: adlep
Israel is supported due to moral and cultural ties to the US (remember that thing called the Holocaust), not for strategic or economic reasons.

Poles should get this kind of support because of the Holocaust too...
link
Beside, the US should not pay for Holocaust :Q
Germany should pay.....
and they do as far as I know
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: jonnyfin
you're missing the point... what is up with the foreign aid policy?

just like just about everything else congress spends, they think its their money so they do what will get them votes.

That's a good point too. The Jewish lobby and the evangelical Christian lobby are strongly for Israel (for vastly different reasons), and they have a good deal of power in US politics.
 
to the tune of $3 billion a year?

i'd like to see 1/10th of that money go to those poor aids victims that bush was crying about in his state of the union.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
and they do as far as I know
Who?
Germany or the Poles 😉

Germany pays reperations to Holocaust victims, and provides a lot of aid to Israel. For example, providing free of charge several attack submarines that have been fitted by Israel with a strategic nuclear capability etc.
 
justint:

it's funny that you and I have about the same amount of posts and joined the same month and year! i smell an ol'hot dealer. remember the good ol'days?
 
Originally posted by: jonnyfin
justint:

it's funny that you and I have about the same amount of posts and joined the same month and year! i smell an ol'hot dealer. remember the good ol'days?

I was never a hot dealer. Sorry. Didn't even really start using the forums until later.
 
Germany pays reperations to Holocaust victims, and provides a lot of aid to Israel. For example, providing free of charge several attack submarines that have been fitted by Israel with a strategic nuclear capability etc.

Then what about the Poles? We are getting screw again 🙁

Actually, not, we just got 125 free Leopard2 tanks from ze Krauts.....
 
Originally posted by: jonnyfin
i've been doing some thinking lately and it may be a good idea to have a "million man march" on d.c. and take our country back from these whackos we have in office... let me elaborate:

first, there is the interent mistrust of our own gov't: operation northwoods This was actually covered in a previous thread.

Then lets take for example, the ayatollah kohmeni seizes power in iran, ousting the shah (good friend of u.s. gov't) - Iraq shortly after invades Iran, with financial and military support from u.s. of course)

soviets invade afghanistan, the u.s. gov't funds the afghani people (taliban to be specific) with military and finance to fend off the red scourge.

Why are these arabs suddenly the u.s.'s worst enemy? Could it have anything to do with Israel?

Before I go any further I want to state that I am not an anti-semite, or anti-anything. i'm just a guy who wants to know what the hell is going on, how we got here, and how we can fix it!

Why does the u.s. provide $3 billion+ a year to Israel? we have homeless children in our own country, we have hard working people who cannot afford health insurance!

For this type of money just "given" away we could have a nationalized basic health care system. I don't remember voting to provide this kind of aide! where the hell does this stuff come from?

Here is an excerpt from the sustain campaign

The total U.S. foreign aid to the whole world (6 Billion people) is about $18 BILLION, so, the one thousandth (1/1000) of the world population living in Israel gets one third of US aid. Also, Israel's GNP is around $24 Billion, i.e. a quarter of Israel's income comes from the U.S. The Aid to Israel is in the form of loans.

I gotta be honest, if this stuff really happens I can understand why the arabs are bent at the u.s. Our gov't is funding expansion of the Israeli state at the cost of our tax dollars, and the lives and land of palestinians.

Now... retorts



Why retorts? I think you summed it up pretty well!
Two thumbs up!
 
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