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Conspiracy! ATI, Nvidia, and Id Games

Hauk

Hauk

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With the release of Doom 3, our PC's became antiquated quicker than hell, and many of us spent hard cash to make the game run.

I've tried to cost justify my upgrages, convincing myself it not's just about Doom 3. Many games using this engine are bound to emerge.

Have we taken a minute to look at the timing of the technology releases??

I thought I'd be sitting okay with my FX5900 clocked at 465 core 975 memory for at least another year. Out comes the 6800 series, Ati's response; and Doom 3. Suddenly, my whole system seems less than adequate.

I smell a conspiracy...
 
Games have been pushing hardware upgrades ever since they started appearing. The only reason I upgraded my monochrome computer to full RGB color was for a game -- way back in the '80s. Doom 3 increases the complexity of the graphics, forcing another upgrade, and the companies making the graphics hardware knew the general timeframe for the release of the game.

No mystery or conspiracy.
 
Actually, I'm amazed at how long my 3.2C, P4C800-E Deluxe, 1 gig Mushkin 3400 Level-2 rig has stayed fairly current.

Sure my 5900 needs upgrading, but I always average two video card upgrades per mobo/CPU build.
 
i like a game that drives the video card makers to produce better hardware because its so intense, i just wish the 4200 of this era did not cost 400, IE the 6800GT. But in their defense, it does have 256mb of expensive DDR3.
 
I'll not play Doom for quite some time for this very reason. I just cant see spending 1000 bucks for new CPU and video card to play a 60 dollar game!!!!

I have FAR better things to do with a grand then play a damned game. Hell, for that much I could buy a Gamecube, Xbox AND PS2 and 5 games for each platform!!!
 
I don't think it has extremely high requirements, I can play it just fine on my rig @ 10x7 high details. My 5900 seems to be enough.
You don't have to play games at 16x12 8xaa 8xaf to enjoy them.
 
😕 My ti4600 should play Doom3 fine; it certainly plays Far Cry no problem; 10x7 with all settings on very high, which looks far better than any console/tv combo can. That card's closing in on its third birthday... Want some cheese to go with that whine? 😛

By your logic we should all still be playing text-only games on monochrome screens, as anything else would be a conspiracy to steal our money :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Vaerilis
I don't think it has extremely high requirements, I can play it just fine on my rig @ 10x7 high details. My 5900 seems to be enough.
You don't have to play games at 16x12 8xaa 8xaf to enjoy them.
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I've taken the advice you provide in your sig.
"Get a life"
I really dont play games much at all anymore. Hell...Last time I played ANY game (Other then some online thing to pass time at work) was..... ohhh...... 3 months ago. Maybe more. Since I'm not a hardcore gamer anymore (And I used to be) I cant justify 500 bucks to play a game. And I would need to, because I dont think the ole Radeon 7500 is up to Doom 3, and if I'm going to upgrade might as well go all out. That video card could be an Uzi!! So what would I choose... Video card to play a game, or an Uzi.
Easy choice for me.
 
Doom III doesn't require a top end card like many of you believe. It'll even play fine on an old Geforce 2 GTS (trust me, I've seen it). Fair enough the game doesn't look as sweet as a top end card, but that's what you are paying for. The eye candy.
 
Unreal Tournament wasn't too nice when it came out on systems, I know, I had a pretty much top end system and I had UT 😛
This was TNT2 days, just around the time Geforces were coming out, so it was kind of the same situation, IIRC.
 
Originally posted by: Snapster
Doom III doesn't require a top end card like many of you believe. It'll even play fine on an old Geforce 2 GTS (trust me, I've seen it). Fair enough the game doesn't look as sweet as a top end card, but that's what you are paying for. The eye candy.
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Friend of mine is playing Doom3 on a gf3 and was pleasantly surprised with the card's performance in the game.
 
The general rule of thumb for PCs is that your rig is outdated after 6 months or a new game release, whichever comes first. 😛
 
im happy with dooms performance on my ti4200.
id say i am about 70% thru the game..i am happy i didnt break the bank on the latest and greatest.🙂
 
Originally posted by: SteelSix
With the release of Doom 3, our PC's became antiquated quicker than hell, and many of us spent hard cash to make the game run.

I've tried to cost justify my upgrages, convincing myself it not's just about Doom 3. Many games using this engine are bound to emerge.

Have we taken a minute to look at the timing of the technology releases??

I thought I'd be sitting okay with my FX5900 clocked at 465 core 975 memory for at least another year. Out comes the 6800 series, Ati's response; and Doom 3. Suddenly, my whole system seems less than adequate.

I smell a conspiracy...
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No conspiracy, just bad timing.
 
There are options. Thanks for pointing out the obvious ones.

My suggestion is to look beyond the obvious, and perhaps ask who is pushing who. Why can't there be a 1000MHz graphics core already in place, able to take on anything the software industry can crank out for the next five years?

Somone smart please expain to this layperson why, in the midst of 3GHz system cores we can't have a graphics solution that's fast as hell, able to eat Doom 3 for lunch? Why not last year?

Do techies at ATI and Nvidia get smarter and think better stuff up? Or is this all just a timed release of technology?

Wait six months, look at my benchies now...
 
Originally posted by: SteelSix
With the release of Doom 3, our PC's became antiquated quicker than hell, and many of us spent hard cash to make the game run.

I've tried to cost justify my upgrages, convincing myself it not's just about Doom 3. Many games using this engine are bound to emerge.

Have we taken a minute to look at the timing of the technology releases??

I thought I'd be sitting okay with my FX5900 clocked at 465 core 975 memory for at least another year. Out comes the 6800 series, Ati's response; and Doom 3. Suddenly, my whole system seems less than adequate.

I smell a conspiracy...
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BIN LADEN DID IT
 
We know that we'll eventually have to pay for computer upgrades. The worst thing about doom is the $60 price tag. Screw that. 😉
 
I think we've been spoiled by graphics cards recently that are too powerful for today's games.

If Doom 3 had come out and GF4-9800 level cards could play them at full resolution with full details, what hope does that leave us for the future. Doom 3 is the graphics engine of the next generation of games, and has to last us 3-4 years at least.

Think about when Quake 3 came out. The latest and greatest cards then were struggling to reach 60fps at 1024x768, but newer/faster cards have come out, which enable us to play it quicker, and at higher resolutions, and increase the eye candy. The Q3 engine has powered games for the past 4 years, and only in the past year or so have we had cards capable of playing it at full resolution/full details at a decent speed.

I personally am happy that my 9800 Pro isn't doing too well at 800x600 @ Medium details (ie it's still slowing down to rediculous levels), because I realise that as I upgrade, i'll be able to see more and more detail, and I'll continue to be blown away by the graphics.


Confused
 
I think what's amazing is the fact that you're so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking you need to upgrade your computer just to play a $50 game. For someone with 148 posts in almost 3 years, you'd be the type of person who gets out more often and doesn't quite give a sh!t. 😛
 
I for one am happy to see software pushing the limits of hardware. It stimulates growth and ultimately results in cool ass gadgets and technology (and sweet looking games).
 
??? I'm running on an AthlonXP 2500+, 512MB DDR-400, and a GF4 Ti4200 (AGP 4x no less), and the game runs well for me... Sure, i don't ahve all the eye candy turned up, but really, I enjoy the game no less. I have no desire to keep my PC on the bleeding edge for a game...
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
😕 My ti4600 should play Doom3 fine; it certainly plays Far Cry no problem; 10x7 with all settings on very high, which looks far better than any console/tv combo can. That card's closing in on its third birthday... Want some cheese to go with that whine? 😛

By your logic we should all still be playing text-only games on monochrome screens, as anything else would be a conspiracy to steal our money :roll:
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See my sig - tradewars... (except for the monochrome.. 😛)
 
This is just sad...

From the AT Doom Buying Guide:

Before you scream that we call a $278 video card a bargain, consider the alternatives. There frankly are none at this point ,if you want comparable performance for the dollar. ATI does not have a top-line variant at the $300 price point and the 6800 certainly blows away the older Video cards that can cost even more. For example , at plain old 1024X768 the 6800 is 75% faster in Doom 3 than either the ATI 9800 XT or the nVidia 5950, both of which cost about $50-$100 more than the 6800.
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