Console Auto-aiming

[Jules]

u mad

 

[Saga]

u mad

Excellent way to prove my point, haha. Nothing but a bunch of angry little e-nerds who can't even have a serious discussion on actual mechanics without resorting to WoWtard level text message speak insults. Seriously even reading half of the things you guys type reduces the IQ of the user.

Respond to my argument or don't bother responding at all, I won't be baited by a bunch of highschool kids angry I'm bashing on their console fanaticism by pointing out it's obvious flaws, so I won't resort to your stupid mind game attempts.

Seriously I feel like a bunch of 16 year old girls are trying to make me angry by nitpicking me not tucking in my shirt, not only is it hilarious that they think that would bother me, but their desperation to find anything to penetrate just makes them look more and more ignorant.

 

[Thraxen]

I've always found SP PC games to actually be easier due to the mouse and ability to spam F5 in most games. As for MP, everyone is on a level playing field on either platform and the skilled players always separate themselves accordingly.

 

[Jules]

nerbneruiobneruiobn

Yet you are still here.

 

[Saga]

I've always found SP PC games to actually be easier due to the mouse and ability to spam F5 in most games. As for MP, everyone is on a level playing field on either platform and the skilled players always separate themselves accordingly.

However, if this is the case, why are more games not cross-platform from a multiplayer aspect? For example, why can't the xbox L4D guys play vs. the PC L4D guys? I don't have any actual facts to back this up so I'd have to go digging, but I always pretty much assumed that the differences in accuracy and response between a keyboard and mouse and a controller joystick would make PC players outclass console players too easily. Skill is one thing but even the most skilled person in the world can only turn their character so fast with a joystick, or aim at a target in flight accurately. Keyboard mouse could basically insta turn, insta aim in both situations.

Thoughts?

 

[purbeast0]

cause he's mad.

i have no clue what 'legitimate' points he even had in his original post that would warrant a 'legitimate discussion' other than him thinking that AI in the PC version of MW2 is harder than the console version.

but i wouldn't know, i didn't even realize MW2 had a single player version.

 

[Jules]

lol

 

[purbeast0]

However, if this is the case, why are more games not cross-platform from a multiplayer aspect? For example, why can't the xbox L4D guys play vs. the PC L4D guys? I don't have any actual facts to back this up so I'd have to go digging, but I always pretty much assumed that the differences in accuracy and response between a keyboard and mouse and a controller joystick would make PC players outclass console players too easily. Skill is one thing but even the most skilled person in the world can only turn their character so fast with a joystick, or aim at a target in flight accurately. Keyboard mouse could basically insta turn, insta aim in both situations.

Thoughts?

NO SHIT CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

if you hadn't noticed, nobody is arguing against that point, and i'm sure the majority of people on these forums agree with that point.

it's not even really opinion, it's basically a fact that a mouse is more precise than an analog stick.

 

[JujuFish]

NO SHIT CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

Yeah, you're not "butt hurt" at all. :awe:

 

[Thraxen]

However, if this is the case, why are more games not cross-platform from a multiplayer aspect? For example, why can't the xbox L4D guys play vs. the PC L4D guys? I don't have any actual facts to back this up so I'd have to go digging, but I always pretty much assumed that the differences in accuracy and response between a keyboard and mouse and a controller joystick would make PC players outclass console players too easily. Skill is one thing but even the most skilled person in the world can only turn their character so fast with a joystick, or aim at a target in flight accurately. Keyboard mouse could basically insta turn, insta aim in both situations.

Thoughts?

It's because the mouse is faster than using a stick for aiming. We're not blind to this. But in your initial post you made two assertions. First, you claimed that console gamers were less skilled (and later called us retards and such). Then you ended by making the point about the mouse being more accurate for aiming. That's two different points.

The first is obviously just insulting and untrue. I played for years in a UT clan and spent many weeks in the top 10 on ngworldstats. I now play primarily on consoles. And there are many of us that do game on both platforms.

The second point is true. The mouse is unrealistically fast for aiming so it's generally best to keep the two platforms separate. That doesn't mean that PC players are more skilled though. As I noted above, you're on level playing field in either situtation so the skilled players separate themselves.

Oh, and FYI, auto-aim isn't enabled in all consoles games. In some games it doesn't exist or is disabled in MP.

 

[shingletingle]

However, if this is the case, why are more games not cross-platform from a multiplayer aspect? For example, why can't the xbox L4D guys play vs. the PC L4D guys? I don't have any actual facts to back this up so I'd have to go digging, but I always pretty much assumed that the differences in accuracy and response between a keyboard and mouse and a controller joystick would make PC players outclass console players too easily. Skill is one thing but even the most skilled person in the world can only turn their character so fast with a joystick, or aim at a target in flight accurately. Keyboard mouse could basically insta turn, insta aim in both situations.

Thoughts?

So really your whole argument is you can aim quicker and more precisely with a mouse. That's what this is all about? Really? As if this is a startling revelation? That doesn't make a console gamer any less skilled. In fact, one could argue this requires more skill from a console gamer since they would need to develop the ability to aim accurately with a control pad.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah, you're not "butt hurt" at all. :awe:

sry caps lock button was stuck, that is why the following paragraphs were lower case

 

[Saga]

It's because the mouse is faster than using a stick for aiming. We're not blind to this. But in your initial post you made two assertions. First, you claimed that console gamers were less skilled (and later called us retards and such). Then you ended by making the point about the mouse being more accurate for aiming. That's two different points.

The first is obviously just insulting and untrue. I played for years in a UT clan and spent many weeks in the top 10 on ngworldstats. I now play primarily on consoles. And there are many of us that do game on both platforms.

The second point is true. The mouse is unrealistically fast for aiming so it's generally best to keep the two platforms separate. That doesn't mean that PC players are more skilled though. As I noted above, you're on level playing field in either situtation so the skilled players separate themselves.

Oh, and FYI, auto-aim isn't enabled in all consoles games. In some games it doesn't exist or is disabled in MP.

Statistically the assertion can be applied to the fact that in the PC world without such handicaps as auto aiming you either get good or typically burn out from being terrible. Most people are mediocre or above because you have to be to play at all. My assertion was not an insult on all console gamers, and that's a laughable accusation; moreso it was to imply that there are significantly more unskilled console gamers because the system caters itself to that crowd by giving them handicaps that allow them to compete.

An 8 year old with down syndrome and one hand can still get kills with computer assisted aiming. It caters to a larger crowd of average people, thus the average skillset is as a whole lower.

Look. I'm personally a PS3/360 guy. By implying console gaming sucks I would basically be insulting myself. I play far more console games than PC games, and most of my PC gaming is tactical games that I simply cannot play at all on consoles (lack of controls and general difficulty in making a good interface for RTS games in my personal opinion compared to their PC counterparts are staggeringly more prevalent and obvious than FPS). Hell, when it comes to FPS games I enjoy them BETTER on a console than I do a PC because I feel the playing field is more normalized and some guy with a ridiculously high resolution who moves his mouse 2mm and does a full 360 and headshots me before I even realize he's there regardless of how bad or good I think I am doesn't happen. Additionally, I prefer console gaming from the pure perspective of the fact that exploits such as reskinning, wall/aimbot programs and the like are little/nonexistant.

However, with all that said, I am personally insulted by auto aiming in games and modifying weapon damage. That was the majority of the entire point of my initial post you bunch of crybabies went off on.

P.S. It's people like Jules who embarrass console gamers. Those immature no contribution nitpicking for the sheer sake of trying to get a rise out of someone responses are the kind of childish bullshit I'd expect from the WoW players and people still living in their parents basements. I'm all for a constructive argument, and I don't think my word is absolute by any means. Contribute to the fucking discussion and debate with me or just plain shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself by looking like an idiot.

 

[Thraxen]

Umm... you may want to go re-read your posts. They are absolutely flame bait. So to now to try and take the high road and call us cry babies or claim that you're trying to have a constructive argument is just silly.

 

[Saga]

Umm... you may want to go re-read your posts. They are absolutely flame bait. So to now to try and take the high road and call us cry babies or claim that you're trying to have a constructive argument is just silly.

I can't help your lack of formal education preventing you from having any realistic reading comprehension. Being highly opinionated and bluntly honest does not reduce from a constructive argument, it's practically the basis of it.

As are the expected replies to said opinion and honesty. It's a goddamn opinion, I'm not saying yours is wrong. I can't help that apparently console gamers minds are reduced to the point where not having to actually think of a rational response has lead you to think that lulzing everything is a response.

 

[Thraxen]

I can't help your lack of formal education preventing you from having any realistic reading comprehension. Being highly opinionated and bluntly honest does not reduce from a constructive argument, it's practically the basis of it. I can't help that apparently console gamers minds are reduced to the point where not having to actually think of a rational response has lead you to think that lulzing everything is a response.

As are the expected replies to said opinion and honesty. It's a goddamn opinion, I'm not saying yours is wrong.

You can be blunt without being an ass.

 

[Saga]

You can be blunt without being as ass.

Touche. Then I apologize.

 

[MrPickins]

Ahh, console gamers. Champions of nothing. Forgot why I avoid this circle jerk. I noticed not a single one of you has even bothered to address the legitimate points I've made in comparison to console/pc FPS gaming. It's okay, I know you can't defend your dumbed down lifestyle without trying to insult me personally and I assure you I feel bad for your desperate attempts at compensating for the obvious.

It's okay kids. Someday you'll wear big boy pants.

You seem to forget that you were the one that came in here to jerk off to PC games... In a console gaming forum.

Couldn't you at least come up with an argument that isn't 10+ years old for your trolling material?

 

[Saga]

You seem to forget that you were the one that came in here to jerk off to PC games... In a console gaming forum.

Couldn't you at least come up with an argument that isn't 10+ years old for your trolling material?

I'd suggest you actually read the rest of the thread.

 

[smackababy]

Ahh, console gamers. Champions of nothing. Forgot why I avoid this circle jerk. I noticed not a single one of you has even bothered to address the legitimate points I've made in comparison to console/pc FPS gaming. It's okay, I know you can't defend your dumbed down lifestyle without trying to insult me personally and I assure you I feel bad for your desperate attempts at compensating for the obvious.

It's okay kids. Someday you'll wear big boy pants.

I will give you a very valid reason why your arguments are false. Shadowrun... PC gamers constantly crying because console kids get auto aim and destroy their precious mouse and keyboard using ass.


What I don't understand is, if you're so against consoles, why are you browsing the CONSOLE GAMING section, posting in CONSOLE related threads. Go troll somewhere else.

 

[MrPickins]

I'd suggest you actually read the rest of the thread.

Why?

This has been debated for years, and never ends in an agreement.

It's pure flame bait.


(Also, I did read the whole thread before posting.)

 

[purbeast0]

this Saga guy is great.

 

[Saga]

Why?

This has been debated for years, and never ends in an agreement.

It's pure flame bait.


(Also, I did read the whole thread before posting.)

If you, or the poster above you, HAD read the entire thing you'd know most of my gaming is on consoles and my beef is simply with how they get dumbed down. So no, obviously you didn't.

this Saga guy is great.

<3!

 

[MrPickins]

If you, or the poster above you, HAD read the entire thing you'd know most of my gaming is on consoles and my beef is simply with how they get dumbed down. So, obviously you didn't.

I saw it, but you're still trolling.

Maybe, just maybe, if you hadn't acted so hostile from the get-go, I might think you were interested in an actual discussion.

 

[Saga]

I saw it, but you're still trolling.

Maybe, just maybe, if you hadn't acted so hostile from the get-go, I might think you were interested in an actual discussion.

Maybe, just maybe, I might have actually cared one bit about the legitimacy of your opinion had you actually contributed in any way to an actual discussion.

See how that circular logic works? You're the one trolling, sir.