Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Better analogy: You're turning gay because of an ex who cheated on you.
- M4H
Better analogy: You're turning gay because of an ex who cheated on you.
- M4H
Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Now THAT^^ is an analogy. Haha. Honestly, if you let one virus (btw, that can be prevented already, and takes about 10 minutes to fix, and that always could have been prevented with a firewall) make you spend $500-1000 you've already let that nasty programmer win. Geez, if everytime a virus came out and people switched to Mac, I would be writing a lot of viruses if I were Apple.
Originally posted by: lchyi
Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Now THAT^^ is an analogy. Haha. Honestly, if you let one virus (btw, that can be prevented already, and takes about 10 minutes to fix, and that always could have been prevented with a firewall) make you spend $500-1000 you've already let that nasty programmer win. Geez, if everytime a virus came out and people switched to Mac, I would be writing a lot of viruses if I were Apple.
maybe you should just invest $50 in a virus scanner.
No, I just went and bought duct tape and plastic sheeting
This post, especially pre-edit, reminded me of all the people quaking in fear because they think Al-Qaeda is going to attack them in Podunk, Wyoming with bio-weapons. This worm was not a serious threat to anyone who either (a) had ran Windows Update any time in the last three weeks -or- (b) used a firewall.
You should be backing up any data you care about already, since hard drives do fail and a motherboard / memory failure can also corrupt a drive.
If you have good backups the worst that a worm like this could do is cost you some time reinstalling Windows, and macs aren't immune to this either. My graphic-designer brother uses a mac and has to "rebuild his disk" something like once a year.
You already have a mac and want another mac (desktop) - go for it.. No need to get anyone's approval or worry too much about the security aspect.. I've never had a worm effect me but virii wrecked my pc a few times.. No big deal to me because I have an image of the drive and actually like doing a clean install every few months.. But my mac has been relatively trouble free.... Jaguar is a better OS than winXP in many ways - ergonomics, look and feel, "chic factor," easy of use, etc... But software support is key - if you're a professional artist, work with video, or do pro-level audio work you just have to get a Mac.. Regardless of worms, etc. etc... If you're just an average Joe or in the IT market you have to get a PC.. It's as simple as that... People compare Macs to the wrong types of PC.. Instead of comparing it to your sub-$1000 pc you should compare it to specialty devices.. Apple has even taken that angle concentrating on the professional market over the consumer market (the last Mac World was industry only)... Apples to apples, people..
If you ARE just worried about worms/ virii, etc. here are a few pointers:
* Get one of those USB memory pens... I adore the 256 megger that I carry on my key chain.. Plenty of space for all my important documents...What if you lose your keys? Be redundant- save a copy of everything to cdrw every now and then as well
*Get a dvd-r or cdrw - make images of a clean OS installation.. Install windows, all the software that you use, etc. etc. etc. and then image your hd (not after you have millions of porn jpegs and mp3s)
*Keep a separate partition (or drive) for documents/critical data - make backing up data very easy... Also, if you use another physical drive then you can sometimes keep all of your data even if your system drive crashes and burns.. Happened to me actually - my system drive was totally destroyed by a weird power supply issue but my data was nice and secure on my D: drive
I also supplement all of this with only storage.. I made a simple batch file that compresses all of my docs into one zip file that I upload to my ftp server once a month.. Not recommended for private data (opens you up for hacking) but you can always encrypt the zip first..
Now this might seem like a lot of work and it is if you just use your computer for gaming and listening to mp3s.. Since I'm a writer and a student my documents are VERY important to me.. My gf also follows this method and it has saved her from rewriting a term paper twice..
If you ARE just worried about worms/ virii, etc. here are a few pointers:
* Get one of those USB memory pens... I adore the 256 megger that I carry on my key chain.. Plenty of space for all my important documents...What if you lose your keys? Be redundant- save a copy of everything to cdrw every now and then as well
*Get a dvd-r or cdrw - make images of a clean OS installation.. Install windows, all the software that you use, etc. etc. etc. and then image your hd (not after you have millions of porn jpegs and mp3s)
*Keep a separate partition (or drive) for documents/critical data - make backing up data very easy... Also, if you use another physical drive then you can sometimes keep all of your data even if your system drive crashes and burns.. Happened to me actually - my system drive was totally destroyed by a weird power supply issue but my data was nice and secure on my D: drive
I also supplement all of this with only storage.. I made a simple batch file that compresses all of my docs into one zip file that I upload to my ftp server once a month.. Not recommended for private data (opens you up for hacking) but you can always encrypt the zip first..
Now this might seem like a lot of work and it is if you just use your computer for gaming and listening to mp3s.. Since I'm a writer and a student my documents are VERY important to me.. My gf also follows this method and it has saved her from rewriting a term paper twice..
I've spent the last week laughing to myself as windows computers all around have been infected with this thing, and I've been happily posting worry free from my iBook. Sure, it's possible that you could switch to a mac and still get a virus, but I've never seen a macintosh with a virus on it. No one I know has ever gotten a virus on a mac. You're also immune from spyware crap like gator, bonsai buddy, etc.
You can browse the internet, and when you happen upon a malicious webpage that attempts to open a popup saying "Would you like to install XYZ spyware?" You never even see the window, because it only works on MS platforms.
I actually think this is one of the macintosh's big advantages in a consumer market. Is it enough for you to put down the extra money for? Only you can answer that. It wasn't the primary reason I got the iBook, but it's a very welcome change from the constant vigilance that windows demands while web surfing.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
You can browse the internet, and when you happen upon a malicious webpage that attempts to open a popup saying "Would you like to install XYZ spyware?" You never even see the window, because it only works on MS platforms.
I actually think this is one of the macintosh's big advantages in a consumer market. Is it enough for you to put down the extra money for? Only you can answer that. It wasn't the primary reason I got the iBook, but it's a very welcome change from the constant vigilance that windows demands while web surfing.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
The more Mac users the better. This is not like the pre-OS X days when the Mac was a joke. The G5 can go head to head with any current Intel offering and OS X is a first class OS. Besides, outside of games there is little the PC can do the Mac cannot.
OS X is great, I like macs, and am a former mac user. The thing is they're kinda pricey though. If you don't want to game (but even so, a lot of the big time games get made for mac as well, WC3, Doom 3 for example) I don't see why you shouldn't get one.
halik
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Umm no they are not. OSX is based off OpenBSD which is the most secure OS up to date. You can't take malformed packets and over flow some service to get root acceess because unlike windows BSD doesnt run those service with root privileges.
I've been using macs for 6 months now and just decided to sell em. As much as i love OSX i cant afford the hardware that would run it fast enough. If you do have the 1700 bucks to get G5 i say go for it. You will love OSX if you deal with it on daily basis. Im just gonna get a slower PC and quick sun ultra machine (64bit risc processing...wooo)
Also dont listen to all these idiots on this forums, majority consider themselves powerusers because they know how to install windows xp on their machine. If you gonna listen to someone's advice, make sure its not a 14 year old kid that hasnt used anythign else except windows.
<-owned coutless PCs, 5 ibooks, 1 powermac, 3 SPARC workstations and one SGI o2 machine
Heres my OS appreciation scale:
OSX > Linux > Solaris > Windows > IRIX
Originally posted by: Cadaver
Originally posted by: Descartes
If your system wasn't affected by the worm, then what is it exactly what you're trying to avoid?
One day I may not be so lucky, that's all.
And that could be the day you switch to Mac and get reemed by one of the rarely found security issues.
Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Since he wasn't affected it is more like switching if a bird pooped near your Mercedes.
halik
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Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: Cadaver
Originally posted by: Descartes
If your system wasn't affected by the worm, then what is it exactly what you're trying to avoid?
One day I may not be so lucky, that's all.
And that could be the day you switch to Mac and get reemed by one of the rarely found security issues.
Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Since he wasn't affected it is more like switching if a bird pooped near your Mercedes.
Its more like hes considering buying a bmw because his neighbor drives the same taurus and his blew up last night. There is no doubt that OSX is more advanced system than XP. XP is upgrade from NT which was released in 96. OSX is 2001 rewrite of unix system based off openBSD.
By this odd logic (started earlier = less advanced) XP is more advanced since the OpenBSD Apple shells over is an "upgrade" from a 1995 OS (OpenBSD 1.1.1.1 = 1995/10/18, and NetBSD is even older).
Of course the age of an OS doesn't directly indicate whether it is more or less "advanced" than any other OS, and you really need to define what you mean by "advanced."
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: Cadaver
Originally posted by: Descartes
If your system wasn't affected by the worm, then what is it exactly what you're trying to avoid?
One day I may not be so lucky, that's all.
And that could be the day you switch to Mac and get reemed by one of the rarely found security issues.
Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...that's lke saying you're gonna switch from Mercedes Benz to Hyundai just because a bird pooped on your Mercedes!
Since he wasn't affected it is more like switching if a bird pooped near your Mercedes.
Its more like hes considering buying a bmw because his neighbor drives the same taurus and his blew up last night. There is no doubt that OSX is more advanced system than XP. XP is upgrade from NT which was released in 96. OSX is 2001 rewrite of unix system based off openBSD.
According to this article NT was first released in July of 93 but they had been working on it since 98.
If you're saying that OS X was designed in 1995 because some of the code can be traced back to openBSD 1.1, then I have to ask you to look up the release date for NT 3.51, as that's obviously when XP was designed.
halik
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not to mention that OSX is not an upgrade to OpenBSD, the kernel that runs it is entirely new and is only based off BSD. (plus NExt step and tons of others). Thats why the call the release Darwin (as in evolution) not OpenBSD x.x. Majority of Darwins code is brand new since apple was cutom tayloring it for their hardware.
Since the release of NT microsoft hadnt done much on the user interface or general usability. Most of the changes came in form in new nt 5 kernels so the same problems in 95/Nt can be observed in XP. (noone ever knows whats windows gonna do when you drag something somewhere) Plus the only visual difference between 2k and px are the themes that were last minute thing that microfot did to make their OS more competitive with OSX. I've had most of the whistler beta before XP came out officially and the themes werent there till the RC build... and theyre strikingly simlar to OSX aqua theme
That was exactly my point -- halik was stating that the "advancedness" of XP was determined by the age of NT4, which would only make (slight) sense if nothing except patching had been done since then.
In fact the initial date and latest release date of an OS doesn't prove anything about its l33tness -- Win95 OSR1 has better preemptive multitasking than Mac OS9, while older Mac OSes had better UI shells than newer Windows OSs through at least Win98 SE.
This is a trivial choice.
Would I? No, because:
1. I like my PC (3k homebuilt system)
2. I like the applications available to me
3. I like games
4. The virus did not affect me
Should you? I don't care. The more people that start using Mac, the more popularity it will get and the more people that will throw exploits at it. So yea, go for it. Only the naive think other OSes are invulnerable to viruses.
If I really decided to switch OSes. I would get linux. At least then the knowledge would be far more beneficial to me. I would know unix decently for work as well as being knowledgable in how to setup and troubleshoot linux. This is something that would benefit me at work as well as home.
Would I? No, because:
1. I like my PC (3k homebuilt system)
2. I like the applications available to me
3. I like games
4. The virus did not affect me
Should you? I don't care. The more people that start using Mac, the more popularity it will get and the more people that will throw exploits at it. So yea, go for it. Only the naive think other OSes are invulnerable to viruses.
If I really decided to switch OSes. I would get linux. At least then the knowledge would be far more beneficial to me. I would know unix decently for work as well as being knowledgable in how to setup and troubleshoot linux. This is something that would benefit me at work as well as home.
halik
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well lets take these misconceptions apart, shall we:
1. dual 2ghz g5 will rape your PC, especially when comparing 64bit optimized software. Same way Sun ultrasparc machine or dual xeon would rape it.
2. osx has replacement for just about every app you use, not to mention the jillions of Open srouce things that take 5 mins to port since theyre all using x11
3. I'm willing to bet that the gaming market would open up to the new macs, just because the 64bit g5 machiens have quite a bit of potential.
4. Some virus will, NT5 runs all servies as administrator and thats why theyre fairly easy to bypass. Every few months theres some epidemic of windows borne virii, so youll get hit eventually. When was the last virus outbreak on unix platforms?
If you have OSX, you will know unix just as well as you would running linux. I have both at home and i can do the same things on either way. You can even disable aqua and run pure x11 if you want...
halik
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umm no for the last time,
majority of the server world uses unix or linux based servers (!70-80%) and majority of machines that get hacked are IIS (i've popped couple myself). Unix is more secure by default, its given by the filesystem and user permission structure. OpenBSD guarantees 3 years withouth any exploits on default install, nt 5.0 wouldnt last 3 months withouth a patch.
Just try looking for latest apache build exploits and then look for iis 5 exploits
majority of the server world uses unix or linux based servers (!70-80%) and majority of machines that get hacked are IIS (i've popped couple myself). Unix is more secure by default, its given by the filesystem and user permission structure. OpenBSD guarantees 3 years withouth any exploits on default install, nt 5.0 wouldnt last 3 months withouth a patch.
Just try looking for latest apache build exploits and then look for iis 5 exploits
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