Considering a new-to-me car, help me decide or just call me stupid.

Zenmervolt

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Have cars as described in sig. Getting tired of the Lincoln and want to get something more fun to replace it. Fun is the only criterion aside from the car being in good condition and I'm not cross-shopping cars in the same categories. I am not considering new or nearly new cars. Help me decide among the top two, or if I should just keep the Mark VIII for now.

Car 1: 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo (951).
Pro: Modified Turbo S engine. 270 HP / 290 Ft-Lbs at the rear wheels. 0-60 in ~5 seconds. New head, new rod bearings, new seals and new turbo. Mechanically flawless and records to prove it. "Only" $7,500.
Con: Insurance ++ (extra $200/year over the Lincoln). Expected fuel mileage gain is 1mpg. Back seat is only suitable for legless midgets. 144,000 miles on the body/suspension/interior and starting to look it (beige leather shows wear like nothing else). Needs tires. Maintenance ++. Already have a 944 so this isn't something "new". Speed bumps would be individual acts of faith.

Car 2: 1968 Mustang 390 GT Coupe.
Pro: 100% restored except for non-functional (but correct) AM radio. Easy and cheap to maintain. Much less "1980's rich boy" look than the 951. Never had one before. $700/year cheaper insurance. Has that wonderful big-block sound. Looks like a brand new 1968 Mustang. Much more interior room than the 951, can fit actual humans in the back seat. Can go over speed bumps without worrying about taking off the nose.
Con: $20,000. Mileage estimates of 12 city / 16 highway and the 390 needs premium. Needs to have a working radio installed, probably $300 (don't need anything fancy, just 2 decent speakers and a head unit hidden under the dash). Restored yes, but worries about using a 1968 vehicle as a daily driver (anyone know how well these things sealed in the rain when new?)

Of course, I could always keep the current Lincoln.
Pro: $0 to purchase. Comfy if not fun. Have to love the DOHC 4.6 litre V8.
Con: Maintenance costs creeping up. $1,000 air suspension only has about another 15,000 to 20,000 miles left in it judging by the average failure mileage. Starting to do the occasional "weird" thing (holding first gear too long, hesitating). Royal pain in the ass to work on. Even the 951 would be easier. Wasn't a car I would have chosen for myself, was inherited. If I want to get any money out of it, I need to sell it soon.

That's about it. Thoughts and opinions (hell, even flames) welcome.

ZV
 

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You're an "SEC regulated securities dealer" ZV, start skimming Office Space style! ;)
 

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I just dropped in to call you stupid.

It's not like you get a chance at that EVERY day you know...
 

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Originally posted by: KingNothing
What's wrong with the 944 you have now?
The back seat is a roll cage and it rides rough enough to shake fillings loose. Also, no sound deadening. It's basically an SCCA/PCA autocross competition car with a decent stereo and enough ancillaries to make it legal to drive on the street to the track. Not a daily driver.

Also, it's in Ohio waiting for me to have a place to keep my racer out here.

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
You're an "SEC regulated securities dealer" ZV, start skimming Office Space style! ;)
My _employer_ is an SEC registered securities dealer. I'm just a humble (though well-paid) analyst. They monitor enough that they'd find out. (Hell, they know if I sneeze when I'm on vacation.)

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1968 Mustang 390 GT Coupe

No question.

It will only go UP in value and though I love kraut cars, the 944's just seem to keep getting cheaper every year.

Edit: This is something I thought I would never say too BTW: I REALLY don't like fords as a rule!
 

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
1968 Mustang 390 GT Coupe

No question.

It will only go UP in value and though I love kraut cars, the 944's just seem to keep getting cheaper every year.
My big fear is that driving it every day will eventually cause one of the idiot Seattle drivers to make either car take that sudden and instant plunge down to a $0 value...

ZV
 

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I said Mustang but I probably wouldn't use it as a daily . Of course I wouldn't want a 944 either (bad experience with friends car).

Keep the Lincoln and onle buy one of the others if it can be a toy.
 

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Between the two, I'd go with the Porsche. A 1968 anything would make a crappy daily driver, let alone a Mustang with a 390 in it. Also, seems a shame to drive a nicely restored '68 Mustang every day. Just doesn't seem right.

I'd honestly consider something other than another 944 if I were in your shoes - but that's just me. Nothing against a 944T - in fact, I've always wanted one - but if I had one already, I'd get something different. I like a bit of variety. I could never replace a car with the exact same make / model, even if I loved it. Half the fun is getting something new!
 

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
1968 Mustang 390 GT Coupe

No question.

It will only go UP in value and though I love kraut cars, the 944's just seem to keep getting cheaper every year.
My big fear is that driving it every day will eventually cause one of the idiot Seattle drivers to make either car take that sudden and instant plunge down to a $0 value...

ZV

Price collector car insurance
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Between the two, I'd go with the Porsche. A 1968 anything would make a crappy daily driver, let alone a Mustang with a 390 in it. Also, seems a shame to drive a nicely restored '68 Mustang every day. Just doesn't seem right.
On the other hand, isn't it also a shame to have such a nice car and only barely drive it? I've test driven the Mustang and it starts and runs wonderfully. Easy start when cold, idles smooth, does everything right. I've always been a believer in driving a car but treating it right. My only real worry is of water and stuff getting into the car or it not being watertight in the rain. Seattle doesn't get enough snow to have salt in the winter so no worry there. And in a few years I'll be in Cali with no winter to worry about at all.

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Originally posted by: Squisher
The '68 Stang as a daily driver? How many miles a year do you drive?
About 15,000. 300 or so a week. Largely highway since my hours right now are non-commute time.

Reliability and comfort in the '68 don't concern me. Those old V8s run forever and are simple to work on, and I found the Mustang very comfy. Just the weather sealing that scares me.

ZV

EDIT: On the other hand, I almos bought the mustang and then the dealer informed me that someone else had signed papers on it. It disappeared from their listings for a week and just came back today. I think the other guy's financing fell through. Gotta be fate... :p
 

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Squisher
The '68 Stang as a daily driver? How many miles a year do you drive?
About 15,000. 300 or so a week. Largely highway since my hours right now are non-commute time.

Reliability and comfort in the '68 don't concern me. Those old V8s run forever and are simple to work on, and I found the Mustang very comfy. Just the weather sealing that scares me.

ZV

EDIT: On the other hand, I almos bought the mustang and then the dealer informed me that someone else had signed papers on it. It disappeared from their listings for a week and just came back today. I think the other guy's financing fell through. Gotta be fate... :p

The engine isn't my main concern either.

Transmission, Ball joints, tie rod ends, wiper motors, power steering pumps, steering gearboxes, differentials, buttons and switches, are just some of the things that might not have been replaced during a restoration. If you don't mind driving another car while you fix the stuff that is bound to come up, well then, go for it.


 

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I drove a 67 galaxie 500 with a 390 for a couple years daily and believe or not people drove them in 67 all the time ;). Wasn't a big deal. I actually got almost 20mpg highway out of it. Never really had any problems with it other then people bugging me everytime I pulled into a gas station trying to tell my about so and so who had one just like it :). The brakes sucked but the mustang would hopefully have disc up front, mine didn't, and the fear of crap happening to it bothered me but mine wasn't restored. I doubt I would want to drive a really nice one all the time. I'd like to have a beater to drive around some of the time maybe something with A/C hehe. So buy cheaper mustang and keep the lincoln.

They make radios for those that fit the stock location so you don't have to cut anything up and they look right.
 

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: KingNothing
What's wrong with the 944 you have now?
It's a 944.

Sorry, not to be snotty. Definitely the 'Stang. It doesn't pretend to be something it's not.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 911 owner in here. :p

The 944 is the best Audi ever built. And a 951 will embarass even a 911 Turbo (931) on a track. Of course, the people buying 911s for the badge on the hood hate the 944 because it makes their little club less exclusive, but the people buying the 944 don't give a rat's ass about what the badges say, they just like a car that handles amazingly.

The 944/951 isn't pretending to be anything, it _is_ far and away among the best handling cars ever made. And yes, it surpasses the 911 in handling unless you're Vic Elford or some other insanely talented professional race driver. 911's are incredibly difficult to drive at more than 80%.

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: KingNothing
What's wrong with the 944 you have now?
It's a 944.

Sorry, not to be snotty. Definitely the 'Stang. It doesn't pretend to be something it's not.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 911 owner in here. :p

The 944 is the best Audi ever built. And a 951 will embarass even a 911 Turbo (931) on a track. Of course, the people buying 911s for the badge on the hood hate the 944 because it makes their little club less exclusive, but the people buying the 944 don't give a rat's ass about what the badges say, they just like a car that handles amazingly.

The 944/951 isn't pretending to be anything, it _is_ far and away among the best handling cars ever made. And yes, it surpasses the 911 in handling unless you're Vic Elford or some other insanely talented professional race driver. 911's are incredibly difficult to drive at more than 80%.

ZV

Will a 944 out-handle a Miata ZV? :p