Conservatives

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: retrospooty

How does that address anything? WTH are you talking about? What exactly is the republicans plan to fix our current financial crisis ?

They proposed one. A $400b package of tax cuts and infrastructure spending. It was ignored.

ummm.... And the one that passed, has tax cuts and even more infrastructure spending. You can say its way too much spending and I would agree, but the republicans hardly have a plan to fix this mess.

Spend less on the stimulus packages is hardly a plan unto its own.

Why is spending lots of money a grand plan, but spending less money not a plan?

I'd call it 2 different versions of the same plan. The one that passed has more spending that's all.

Again, the reps only real plan at this point is to sit back and wait for the dems to propose something and then they attack the hell out of the dems plan. Thats all they are doing since inauguration day.

So if anything the government does, whether its spend money or offer more tax cuts, is the 'same' plan, how can they offer a different plan?

They're not in power. They can't really propose anything other than amendments to what Pelosi and Reid do anyway.

I dont know what thier plan could/would be... My point is they arent offering up anything drastically different as a suggestion, they are just railing against the dems plan. In other words "I dont have an answer to the problem, but I sure as hell wont sit by and have YOU answer it" typical politics - not that the dems in congress are any different, they are all a bunch of bastards

hmm, I recall Reps saying the same concerning the Dems back a few years ago.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Genx87
I find it utterly hilarious the libs on this board are up in arms at all the threads complaining about Obama. Where the fuck have you been the last 8 years? Oh yeah, creating troll thread after troll thread about Bush.

That really doesn't make sense because any negative thread about Bush would be factual.

lol

I dunno... I never created any threads at all about Bush... Although I did participate in a few =) ... I find it extremely hard to believe it was like this after Bush was in office for one whole month. After he broke... everything, yes, I do believe it, but in one month to have all this complaint is odd - especially when its all against his plans, and no counterplan is offered up.

I hate your plan - but I have none of my own , is not going to cut it.

Sorry, but that's what the Democrats did for the last 8 years, it seemed to work for them.

Considering Congress was a Republican majority 3/4 of that time makes your reply rubbish.

Yes, that is exactly my point, do you even understand what you are responding to? I'll try and make it simple.

Ausm is complaining that Republicans are complaining about what the Dems are proposing, without proposing a solution of their own. Democrats currently hold an overwhelming majority.

I brought up the fact that over the last 8 years, where the Republicans held the majority (most of the time), the Democrats constantly complained about what the Republicans were proposing, without offering a solution of their own.

It's really not that hard to understand, I'm not sure why you're so confused.

 

[Steeplerot]

No point in arguing with reactionary types, the only thing they respect is fear, power and bullying, they could care less of the complex subtleties of life and view it as black and white like a fundamentalist.
This is why they love what they view as a strongman telling them what to think on the radio endlessly even if they know the content is probably based on conveniently twisted lies.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
No point in arguing with reactionary types, the only thing they respect is fear, power and bullying, they could care less of the complex subtleties of life and view it as black and white like a fundamentalist.
This is why they love what they view as a strongman telling them what to think on the radio endlessly even if they know the content is probably based on conveniently twisted lies.

Hey, you're the socialist. It doesn't get much more black and white than that.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
No point in arguing with reactionary types, the only thing they respect is fear, power and bullying, they could care less of the complex subtleties of life and view it as black and white like a fundamentalist.
This is why they love what they view as a strongman telling them what to think on the radio endlessly even if they know the content is probably based on conveniently twisted lies.

Come back when you have an actual reply, not an Obama-esque strawman about what you believe a conservative is like. Most lefties on this forum are not worth the time to debate because they have so many misconceptions about conservatives or religious people drilled into them from public school and TV that having a debate is simply not possible. THe first line of defense for a batty liberal on here is to mock anyone they dont' agree with. Hand in hand are strawman arguments that you just used. Obama's speeches are just PEPPERED with strawmen arguments one after another.

I hate to admit it but while I didn't think Obama would be that bad of a president, he's one stupid, Ivy League STUPID idiot that is not only the most dangerous thing for America right now he's also the most decietful when he's talking in public.

"Well, my critics say that , that, that, if we enact socialized health care, all eldery people will never get any flu shots. I'm here to tell you that they're wrong!". This is exactly the type of BS arguments that Obama uses and it's wearing thin very fast.

I'll say again, I think we as a country deserve Obama and all the damage he's going to do. As the only country that still upholds judeo-christian values, we've slipped very far and our grace is almost gone.

Soon we'll be enslaved to the state, with higher taxes, low opportunity and absolutely no way out of it save for a very likely bloody revolution and a shattered union. Obama is sprinting fast to make that russian kook who called out that the uSA would break up in 2010 or whenever happen exactly as he predicted.

The democrats are buying votes en masse, and with each new bill they pass, they take us further and further away from what made this country great.

In short, we're screwed, unless the last 8 years of spending is drastically reversed, which Obama has absolutely no interest in doing obviously. GG America, it's been real.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
No point in arguing with reactionary types, the only thing they respect is fear, power and bullying, they could care less of the complex subtleties of life and view it as black and white like a fundamentalist.
This is why they love what they view as a strongman telling them what to think on the radio endlessly even if they know the content is probably based on conveniently twisted lies.

Come back when you have an actual reply, not an Obama-esque strawman about what you believe a conservative is like. Most lefties on this forum are not worth the time to debate because they have so many misconceptions about conservatives or religious people drilled into them from public school and TV that having a debate is simply not possible. THe first line of defense for a batty liberal on here is to mock anyone they dont' agree with. Hand in hand are strawman arguments that you just used. Obama's speeches are just PEPPERED with strawmen arguments one after another.

I hate to admit it but while I didn't think Obama would be that bad of a president, he's one stupid, Ivy League STUPID idiot that is not only the most dangerous thing for America right now he's also the most decietful when he's talking in public.

"Well, my critics say that , that, that, if we enact socialized health care, all eldery people will never get any flu shots. I'm here to tell you that they're wrong!". This is exactly the type of BS arguments that Obama uses and it's wearing thin very fast.

I'll say again, I think we as a country deserve Obama and all the damage he's going to do. As the only country that still upholds judeo-christian values, we've slipped very far and our grace is almost gone.

Soon we'll be enslaved to the state, with higher taxes, low opportunity and absolutely no way out of it save for a very likely bloody revolution and a shattered union. Obama is sprinting fast to make that russian kook who called out that the uSA would break up in 2010 or whenever happen exactly as he predicted.

The democrats are buying votes en masse, and with each new bill they pass, they take us further and further away from what made this country great.

In short, we're screwed, unless the last 8 years of spending is drastically reversed, which
Obama has absolutely no interest in doing obviously. GG America, it's been real.

Wow... I am glad your negativity of off based, because you paint a really ugly picture. Fortunately for the country its just YOUR picture.

Agreed about spending though - it needs to be under control. I am quite sure that it will be in the long run though, like by the end of Obama's 2nd term. Its just that right now, we are screwed and we cant get out of it unless we spend. That is certainly a debatable point - but that is the path we are on.

 

[wjgollatz]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Face it, when they had the chance to be "Conservative" they went batshit insane only differentiating themselves from the Stereotypical "Liberal" by not Raising Taxes, in fact reducing them.

And in the process, increased federal revenue to amounts unseen in the history of the United States.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Hey, you're the socialist. It doesn't get much more black and white than that.

Black and Red maybe.

And your using the term Socialist as a slur when it is those same evil Socialist policies that have made your middle class nihilism possible is beyond silly.

But anyway, I know better the not argue with you guys, now shouldn't you be fapping to some economists drivel?

 

[Ozoned]

All ideologies aim to be the best for the greater good of mankind in mass. If you want to debate something worthy, decide who gets to choose what is best for mankind,,,, Kind of like what certain religions dictate.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If you want to debate something worthy, decide who gets to choose what is best for mankind,,,, Kind of like what certain religions dictate.

The people themselves sound good to me for once, corporations and lobbyists have shown they know nothing of what is in the better interest of the worker.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Hey, you're the socialist. It doesn't get much more black and white than that.

Black and Red maybe.

And your using the term Socialist as a slur when it is those same evil Socialist policies that have made your middle class nihilism possible is beyond silly.

But anyway, I know better the not argue with you guys, now shouldn't you be fapping to some economists drivel?

I thought you were banned?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: retrospooty

How does that address anything? WTH are you talking about? What exactly is the republicans plan to fix our current financial crisis ?

They proposed one. A $400b package of tax cuts and infrastructure spending. It was ignored.

ummm.... And the one that passed, has tax cuts and even more infrastructure spending. You can say its way too much spending and I would agree, but the republicans hardly have a plan to fix this mess.

Spend less on the stimulus packages is hardly a plan unto its own.

Why is spending lots of money a grand plan, but spending less money not a plan?

I believe his point is they are both the same exact plan, the terms are just slightly different. I don't like either of their terms and I don't think in the long run it will work because there will still be massive amounts of corruption. The tough spot is that the alternative is doing nothing (I have yet to hear a representative of either party suggest a drastically different plan than a variable amount of money to different interests with variable amount of regulation). Both parties want money to their bases. Both parties want regulations that work in their favor. They both have the same plan.

The thing I don't like about the Repubs stance right now is that they are making it seem like they would be doing something completely different to fix the economy. They want us to believe they are being bullied into agree with the plan (which in a sense they are but only because they want that to be the case). They have no different option, they just want to be sure to make it seem like they were fighting it till the bitter end in hopes that when it doesn't work they will be the stormcrows who tried to warn us.

I think a great example is the republican governors claiming they won't take stimulus money involved with unemployment because they don't like a certain term surrounding it. To hear them speak on it, you'd think they were refusing every dime because of moral and philosophical obligations. Jindal is one of the govs pulling this move. So instead of 3.8 billion dollars, Louisana will only take 3.75 billion dollars. Yet to here him speak, Louisana is not going to be involved at ALL with this PORKULUS bill!