Conservatives use liberals' Saul Alinsky playbook

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Last evening I got into a conversation over a beer with one of my friends, someone who was (and remains) a radical environmentalist and anti-war activist in the 60's and into the early 70's. He is from an earlier generation, I barely remember the angst and the excitement of those days.

He had a comment that kind of resonated with me - "I watch those right wingers at those tea parties and I am reminded of what I was like when I was doing the same thing."

It is no wonder that Nancy Pelosi is shedding tears as she remembers the hate and the damage of those Days of Rage directed at the Democrat Party of Lyndon Johnson!

I responded to him, "I know there was rioting and violence from the Left and the Radical Left in those days, but have you seen the same from the Right anywhere?"

He replied, simply, "No. These people are angry, they feel as disenfranchised as we felt, but where we hated, they seem to be having a much better time than we had at that time." He also added, more ruefully, "Of course, most of us were stoned most of the time so I reserve my judgment to what I can actually remember." Typical lawyer.

Though I had not planned on being downtown during the 9/12 March On Washington, I found myself mingling with the demonstrators for a while. Not only was this one the largest demonstrations this government city has seen in many years, it was notable for being peaceful, well mannered and downright friendly. People were having a very, very good time and not tearing the place up. No arrests, no trash (!!!), no problem. Which I highly appreciate being a local these days.

The thing that struck me, as it did my friend, is how many similarities are developing in the organizing and the presentation of confrontation to the leftist Obama Administration and Democrat Congress - a group that "grew up" in the period of rioting, demonstrations, guerrilla confrontational actions and still seem to have a "revolutionary" perspective of America.

I know Nancy Pelosi is crying, but how do you think the rest of the One Party Government feels about facing what they they themselves did or supported not so long ago?

Conservatives use liberal playbook

Conservatives use liberal playbook
By: Andie Coller and Daniel Libit
POLITICO
September 18, 2009 05:02 AM EST

Conservatives are coming for the Democrats on their blind side ? the left.

The evidence is everywhere.

At tea parties and town halls, conservative demonstrators oppose health care reform with signs bearing the abortion-rights slogan ?Keep your laws off my body? or the line ?Obama lies, Grandma dies? ? an echo of the ?Bush lied, they died? T-shirts worn to protest the Iraq war.

Conservative activists are yelling ?Nazi!? and ?Big Brother!? where they used to shout ?Nanny state!? and ?Big Government!?

And the 1971 agitator?s handbook ?Rules for Radicals? ? written by Saul Alinsky, the Chicago community organizer who was the subject of Hillary Clinton?s senior thesis, and whose teachings helped shape Barack Obama?s work on Chicago?s South Side ? has been among Amazon?s top 100 sellers for the past month, put there in part by people who ?also bought? books by Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck,and South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint.

Yes, the same folks who brought you Obama the socialist have been appropriating the words and ways of leftists past ? and generally letting their freak flags fly.

The left-wing rhetoric and symbolism are so thick on the right, in fact, that some conservatives have been taken aback by it: The logo for the Sept. 12 protest in Washington, which organizers called the ?March on Washington,? featured an image that looked so much like those associated with the labor, communist and black power movements that some participants objected to it ? until they found out that?s what the designers were shooting for.

?As an organization, we have been very closely studying what the left has been doing,? explains FreedomWorks press secretary Adam Brandon, who says he was given a copy of ?Rules for Radicals? when he took his current job . Brandon describes the Sept. 12 rally in D.C. as the ?culmination of four years worth of work? and says that organizers were ?incredibly conscious? of the symbols they chose.

With the logo, he explains, they were ?trying to evoke the imagery of the counterrevolutionary protests of the 1960s that captured the imagination of the world.? And as for the phrase ?March on Washington,? Brandon says, ?this is something people said in the office. If we had been alive back in the 1960s, we would have been on the freedom bus rides. It was an issue of individual liberty. We?re trying to borrow some from the civil rights movement.?

From the outside, at least, it doesn't look like an obvious fit.

Dick Armey did not, in fact, participate in the freedom rides of the 1960s. Brandon said the former House majority leader was an undergrad in Jamestown, N.D., at the time, working his way through school putting up electric poles, and ?wasn?t politically active at the time.?

And while they?re handing out Alinsky?s ?Rules for Radicals? at FreedomWorks, Armey himself told the Financial Times last month: ?What I think of Alinsky is that he was very good at what he did but what he did was not good.?

But if the tactics of the left helped end segregation and the Vietnam War in the last century, conservatives say there?s no reason those same tactics can?t be used to keep liberals in check now.

James O?Keefe, the activist and filmmaker who posed as a pimp for an expose of several ACORN offices in the Northeast, told the New York Post earlier this week] that he, too, had been inspired by ?Rules for Radicals,? which includes such tactical lessons as ?Ridicule is man?s most potent weapon? and ?Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.?

O?Keefe told the paper he was trying to expose the ?absurdities of the enemy by employing their own rules and language.?

?If you can make impossible demands on your enemy, you can destroy them,? he said.

This isn?t the first time the right tried on the ways of the left, says Julian Zelizer, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. ?We actually did see some of that before, in the 1970s. When conservativism emerged as a new movement, they adopted some of the tactics of the New Left of the 1960s, really focusing on grassroots organizing, and kind of adopting a lot of populist language, and using some of the 1960s energy for their own purposes, and I think we?re seeing it again, very clearly.?

?There has been a conscious movement to do that for some time,? agrees George Lakoff, a University of California professor of cognitive science and linguistics. ?There is a long history of it.?

Perhaps, but rarely has it been so blatant ? or so provocative.

?They?re definitely throwing down the gauntlet and saying, if that?s what you believe, then come along,? says Teri Christoph, co-founder of the conservative women?s group Smart Girl Politics, who suggested that there also might be a touch of irony in some of the slogan-swiping as well.

The irony thus far seems to have been lost on the left, however, which has mostly voiced either disbelief or derision that the conservatives would be so shameless ? or so clueless. In Democratic Underground?s discussion forum, a photo of a marcher holding a ?Keep Your Laws of My Body? sign was captioned ?OK, the cognitive dissonance hasn't hit them yet.? And of the 9/12-ers? logo, one poster on Stephen Colbert?s site asks, ?Did these guys grow a sense of humor overnight, or did they just skip history class??

They?re not wrong to ask the question. It is unclear, for example, whether Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), whose office did not respond to POLITICO for this story, was intentionally invoking the rhetoric of the pro-choice movement (which she most emphatically does not support) when she urged people last month to let their representatives know that ?under no circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions.?

Nor is it clear that all those who sang ?This Land Is Your Land? at the tea parties were aware of its pro-labor, fellow-traveler roots.

Still, enough of the co-opting is intentional that the Democrats might be wise to stop snarking, sit up, and take notice. And some of it is already working, notes Lakoff: In the health care debate, he says, the right has taken ?all the progressive arguments and made them conservative arguments.?

Says Zelizer: ?The tactics can be powerful. Direct confrontation, community organizing, in-your-face politics, as we?ve seen in August, can get a lot of media attention and can scare politicians away from taking certain positions.?

They can also be their own reward. At FreedomWorks, says Brandon, ?We?re having fun. I have been pissing people off left and right calling myself a progressive, because I?m fighting myself against the establishment.?

And, according to Alinsky, that?s one of the keys to a good uprising: As he put it in ?Rules for Radicals,? ?A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.?

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As I was sitting at my keyboard, pulling a bullshit anecdote out of my ass to support my ideology...
 

PJABBER

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Hmm. This is not a post about ideology. It is a post about methodology.
 

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I guess you could think of it as another kind of church a melding of psychosis and that old, me too feeling of camaraderie and belonging.
 

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The right has always copied the left. They're a pretty bankrupt group who has to pursue borrow like parasites.

Their founders were often former members of the worst of the communist groups, who thoguht borrowing the worst tactics from those groups made some sense.

They viewed their 'enemy' as evil and justified their own evil on that basis.

Early in the Nixon Presidency, shortly before he was put on the Supreme Court, Lewis Powell wrote the memo about how the right was losing in the political fights because the left always had the upper moral hand - and how to fight that. What they needed were things like 'think tanks' who paid people to come up with arguments to twist the right's agenda for the rich into propaganda that could persuade the public to support it. it worked wonderfully.

The tea baggers are misled people, out 'protesting' something they're not clear about - the wrong things they'r told to blame - pawns for the manipulators.

The left-wing protestors in the 60's were not the ideal of citizens protesting on pricinciple. There was a whole lot of mob mentality, drugs, and other such things.

But they had a good basic cause - the injustice of the violence of the Vietnam war, and they had an effect. That's a better cause than the teabaggers have, who are unwittingly supporting the corporate agenda who pays to keep them indoctrinated and ignorant of the corporate agenda.

As for hate - the tea baggers are mixed. Some are not about hate, while many others are, with the imbecilic attacks on Obama as 'Hitler' or 'the Joker" and such.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I guess you could think of it as another kind of church a melding of psychosis and that old, me too feeling of camaraderie and belonging.

You are completely Right again, my friend.
 

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Early in the Nixon Presidency, shortly before he was put on the Supreme Court, Lewis Powell wrote the memo about how the right was losing in the political fights because the left always had the upper moral hand - and how to fight that.
How fox news of you!

 

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imbecilic attacks on Obama as 'Hitler' or 'the Joker" and such.

Such attacks and characterizations were common against Bush during his terms in office, but you did not find them offensive in the least.

The point is that the Right has co-opted and copied the methodology of the Left and is using it against them. As I did in the above statement, any criticism by the Left can be met with a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Street theater, use of statements taken in and out of context, the use of strawman arguments (Obama's own favorite rhetorical flourish) and the introduction of alternative media (pirate radio and TV) now popularly held to be more accurate, more insightful, more snappy cool and more in tune with "Truth," are working strongly, maybe overwhelmingly, in favor of the Right.

So, the Left is worried that the Right will take to the streets as they themselves once did. They fear, they tremble and, yes, they even cry like little babies as the populace rejects what they rejected before - the false utopia of Government as Big Brother.

Is the battle won? No, but the battle is most certainly joined.
 

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
imbecilic attacks on Obama as 'Hitler' or 'the Joker" and such.

Such attacks and characterizations were common against Bush during his terms in office, but you did not find them offensive in the least.

The point is that the Right has co-opted and copied the methodology of the Left and is using it against them. As I did in the above statement, any criticism by the Left can be met with a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Street theater, use of statements taken in and out of context, the use of strawman arguments (Obama's own favorite rhetorical flourish) and the introduction of alternative media (pirate radio and TV) now popularly held to be more accurate, more insightful, more snappy cool and more in tune with "Truth," are working strongly, maybe overwhelmingly, in favor of the Right.

So, the Left is worried that the Right will take to the streets as they themselves once did. They fear, they tremble and, yes, they even cry like little babies as the populace rejects what they rejected before - the false utopia of Government as Big Brother.

Is the battle won? No, but the battle is most certainly joined.

You have a very strange view of what the 'populace' wants. (not to mention the hilariously false characterization of leftist policies as 'government as Big Brother'.) As for the idea of 'cool', and 'truth' being in favor of the right, you're allowing your ideology to conflict with reality. Call me when the right is considered cool, I'll be waiting.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
imbecilic attacks on Obama as 'Hitler' or 'the Joker" and such.

Such attacks and characterizations were common against Bush during his terms in office, but you did not find them offensive in the least.

The point is that the Right has co-opted and copied the methodology of the Left and is using it against them. As I did in the above statement, any criticism by the Left can be met with a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Street theater, use of statements taken in and out of context, the use of strawman arguments (Obama's own favorite rhetorical flourish) and the introduction of alternative media (pirate radio and TV) now popularly held to be more accurate, more insightful, more snappy cool and more in tune with "Truth," are working strongly, maybe overwhelmingly, in favor of the Right.

So, the Left is worried that the Right will take to the streets as they themselves once did. They fear, they tremble and, yes, they even cry like little babies as the populace rejects what they rejected before - the false utopia of Government as Big Brother.

Is the battle won? No, but the battle is most certainly joined.

You have a very strange view of what the 'populace' wants. (not to mention the hilariously false characterization of leftist policies as 'government as Big Brother'.) As for the idea of 'cool', and 'truth' being in favor of the right, you're allowing your ideology to conflict with reality. Call me when the right is considered cool, I'll be waiting.

I think one of the big problems with the angry wingnut contingent is their assumption that somehow they represent ALL of America, rather than the small fringe group they really are. This is borne out by lies of how many tea party protesters attended the Washington DC rally along with comments from tea-bagger types about "...when will Obama listen to America?"

I think the Obama administration would be wise to adopt Bush's now infamous response to this sort of anger and vitriol, by promptly ignoring it. Bush was of course well-known for refusing to listen to, or even consider public polls showing the public's distaste for his policies, instead just plodding ever forward with his agenda. Obama should do the same thing. Ignore and move ahead and stop caring (not that they necessarily do care) what fringe groups like the tea-baggers think.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
imbecilic attacks on Obama as 'Hitler' or 'the Joker" and such.

Such attacks and characterizations were common against Bush during his terms in office, but you did not find them offensive in the least.

The point is that the Right has co-opted and copied the methodology of the Left and is using it against them. As I did in the above statement, any criticism by the Left can be met with a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Street theater, use of statements taken in and out of context, the use of strawman arguments (Obama's own favorite rhetorical flourish) and the introduction of alternative media (pirate radio and TV) now popularly held to be more accurate, more insightful, more snappy cool and more in tune with "Truth," are working strongly, maybe overwhelmingly, in favor of the Right.

So, the Left is worried that the Right will take to the streets as they themselves once did. They fear, they tremble and, yes, they even cry like little babies as the populace rejects what they rejected before - the false utopia of Government as Big Brother.

Is the battle won? No, but the battle is most certainly joined.

You have a very strange view of what the 'populace' wants. (not to mention the hilariously false characterization of leftist policies as 'government as Big Brother'.) As for the idea of 'cool', and 'truth' being in favor of the right, you're allowing your ideology to conflict with reality. Call me when the right is considered cool, I'll be waiting.

And you DO know what the populace wants? All I know is what I want, which is less government interference in my life, and less taxes taken out of my pocket. I don't need someone to take care of me, I've been doing it for myself for a long time. If you expect someone to take care of you, look in the mirror, because that's probably the only person who cares what you think or want.
 

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Originally posted by: 69Mach1

And you DO know what the populace wants? All I know is what I want, which is less government interference in my life, and less taxes taken out of my pocket. I don't need someone to take care of me, I've been doing it for myself for a long time. If you expect someone to take care of you, look in the mirror, because that's probably the only person who cares what you think or want.

Well you can look to polling to see what the populace wants (or at least believes it wants). I'm not sure if this was some act of street theater of his own but I did find it funny that Pjabber lists the use of strawman arguments as one of the tools to be used now, and then follows it up with a straw man of his own when characterizing progressive government.

The rest of your post doesn't really have anything to do with the topic.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: 69Mach1

And you DO know what the populace wants? All I know is what I want, which is less government interference in my life, and less taxes taken out of my pocket. I don't need someone to take care of me, I've been doing it for myself for a long time. If you expect someone to take care of you, look in the mirror, because that's probably the only person who cares what you think or want.

Well you can look to polling to see what the populace wants (or at least believes it wants). I'm not sure if this was some act of street theater of his own but I did find it funny that Pjabber lists the use of strawman arguments as one of the tools to be used now, and then follows it up with a straw man of his own when characterizing progressive government.

The rest of your post doesn't really have anything to do with the topic.

Yeah, I did kind of ramble. It was supposed to be an example of what I do know for sure, but wasn't really to the point. In any case I'm not surprised that both sides use the same tactics, they both really want the same thing.(Political power) They say they want different outcomes about a lot of issues, but how much really changes when we trade one party for the other?
 

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Originally posted by: 69Mach1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: 69Mach1

And you DO know what the populace wants? All I know is what I want, which is less government interference in my life, and less taxes taken out of my pocket. I don't need someone to take care of me, I've been doing it for myself for a long time. If you expect someone to take care of you, look in the mirror, because that's probably the only person who cares what you think or want.

Well you can look to polling to see what the populace wants (or at least believes it wants). I'm not sure if this was some act of street theater of his own but I did find it funny that Pjabber lists the use of strawman arguments as one of the tools to be used now, and then follows it up with a straw man of his own when characterizing progressive government.

The rest of your post doesn't really have anything to do with the topic.

Yeah, I did kind of ramble. It was supposed to be an example of what I do know for sure, but wasn't really to the point. In any case I'm not surprised that both sides use the same tactics, they both really want the same thing.(Political power) They say they want different outcomes about a lot of issues, but how much really changes when we trade one party for the other?

Well I would say that in my case a fair bit to be honest. I find it unlikely that the Republicans would have attempted health care reform if they were in power, and the elimination of pre-existing conditions as grounds for denying insurance contained in this bill will directly benefit me.

Generally you're far better off voting in local elections, as they have a lot more impact on your life. (it's always funny how turnout there is so low) I agree that the two parties agree on far more than they disagree on though.
 
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