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jonks

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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
In my home state of Texas the GOP has a strangle hold on the state through creative districting. All the big population centers here go dem in presidential elections Hous,Dal,FW,San Antonio, etc..., yet once the hundreds of sparcely populated districts are lumped in the GOP always carries the state. Hows that shit work when 10mil people (1/2 the states population) reside in DFW or the Houston metro area? I'll tell you how it works if you live in a backwoods 1 horse town your vote carries 5x the weight of those of us who live in the metro areas.

I'm not following you. Pres Elections are based on popular vote within the state, no? How does redistricting matter for gen elections?
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

Another registered independent Trotskyite. As far as I can tell, you would probably be happy to affiliate yourself with The Freedom Socialist Party or The Workers World Party. You are not alone!

Myself, I just ran across and am exploring The Modern Whig Party. So cool, so Whiggy!

:laugh:

I guess I can see how it's so easy for someone like yourself to be so unhinged from reality. When folks like me seem so far to the left, it's only because you've swung so far to the right you can no longer see the middle. :laugh:
 

PJABBER

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: PJABBER

The analysis points to shifts in independents' positions and much less so entrenched Republicans and Democrats.
The independent shift is.... independent from the trends of moderate/conservative/liberal identification.

You are not allowed to shift the definition of words to suit your individual sense of reality in either engineering or in demographics.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: ironwing
I can't really argue that the poll is flawed or wrong. The center right party swept the elections last November. Liberalism is almost without representation in Washington. Kucinich is really the only all around liberal I can think of in DC. Some other elected federal officials are liberal on particular issues but generally hold conservative views as well.

Agreed. This country is very conservative. After all it was founded by kooky, hyper-religious zealots so annoying they were kicked out of their own country.
 

PJABBER

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

Another registered independent Trotskyite. As far as I can tell, you would probably be happy to affiliate yourself with The Freedom Socialist Party or The Workers World Party. You are not alone!

Myself, I just ran across and am exploring The Modern Whig Party. So cool, so Whiggy!

:laugh:

I guess I can see how it's so easy for someone like yourself to be so unhinged from reality. When folks like me seem so far to the left, it's only because you've swung so far to the right you can no longer see the middle. :laugh:

You Trotskyites are so far to the Left that I can't even wave bye-bye to you from here in the Center! Good luck with that permanent revolution stuff, though. I mean it, you nut!

:laugh:
 

CLite

Golden Member
Dec 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: PJABBER

The analysis points to shifts in independents' positions and much less so entrenched Republicans and Democrats.
The independent shift is.... independent from the trends of moderate/conservative/liberal identification.

You are not allowed to shift the definition of words to suit your individual sense of reality in either engineering or in demographics.

I am glad you did exactly as I predicted, harp on that one point to avoid the discussion of the 93 to 94 trend and the fact that the change in liberal/conservative/moderate identification over the last 2 decades is stastically marginal given the 1% margin of error.
 

GuitarDaddy

Lifer
Nov 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
In my home state of Texas the GOP has a strangle hold on the state through creative districting. All the big population centers here go dem in presidential elections Hous,Dal,FW,San Antonio, etc..., yet once the hundreds of sparcely populated districts are lumped in the GOP always carries the state. Hows that shit work when 10mil people (1/2 the states population) reside in DFW or the Houston metro area? I'll tell you how it works if you live in a backwoods 1 horse town your vote carries 5x the weight of those of us who live in the metro areas.

I'm not following you. Pres Elections are based on popular vote within the state, no? How does redistricting matter for gen elections?


You are correct in theory, the problem is Texas like a few other states haven't even bothered to turn in complete county by county tallies for a presidential election in decades, and for the rural counties that do turn in a tally it usually reflects close to 100% voter turnout:confused: The truth is in big cities polling places are few and far between with long waiting lines so turnout is always small percentage wise and the rural counties don't even bother talling votes they just turn in the county population with a red R. Look at this county map for the 2008 election(linked below) and tell me you really believe that with Dalllas, Houston, San Antonio and Austin (representing probably 2/3rds of the states population) all going blue, that there were enough popular votes in the vast sparsely populated rural counties to swing the state Red. Not a chance in hell, the huge areas in red look pretty on a map:) but nobody lives out there, you could probably add the true votes from all the red counties together and it would be less than Houston alone.

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DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

Another registered independent Trotskyite. As far as I can tell, you would probably be happy to affiliate yourself with The Freedom Socialist Party or The Workers World Party. You are not alone!

Myself, I just ran across and am exploring The Modern Whig Party. So cool, so Whiggy!

:laugh:

I guess I can see how it's so easy for someone like yourself to be so unhinged from reality. When folks like me seem so far to the left, it's only because you've swung so far to the right you can no longer see the middle. :laugh:

You Trotskyites are so far to the Left that I can't even wave bye-bye to you from here in the Center! Good luck with that permanent revolution stuff, though. I mean it, you nut!

:laugh:

You've swung so far to the right, you can see Russia from your front porch. Commies, and socialists and bears, oh my!

:laugh:
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Lucky for us, true liberals are barely even represented in this country. They are really just a small minority for the rest of us to point and laugh at.

What some people refer to as "liberal" is really center-right, center-left. They are just too far right (mainly the relig-nuts) to know what liberal actually means.
 

CLite

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Dec 6, 2005
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It's incredible how fast Pjabber runs from a thread when confronted with hard evidence from the article he posted that directly contradicts his conclusions (specifically the 93 to 94 trend, and 94 congressional election, and the 1% margin of error).

He claims I need to re-size the chart even though that has nothing to do with the directly labeled % at each plotted point, and talks about changing the definitions of words. This guy is a f'ing gem.