Conservatives guys Russian hacks please look

[Fanatical Meat]

If the RNC had released the information would you still be as upset? What if it had been Fox News? What about if it was an IT person employed by the DNC that had an axe to grind with the DNC?

One can associate whatever term they wish with the exposure of this information. You term it interfering. But if it is truthful, if it exposes the inner workings of an organization as powerful as a political party even if it is damning and it becomes public knowledge, that is a benefit and a huge one. Government should operate transparently and because our system of government is currently dominated by two major political parties the shedding of sunlight on the sausage making is a good thing. We can't count on the media to do it anymore when their team is in power.

I wonder if one year from now, two three or four years from now if the left will still not be able to reconcile internally that the political party they identify with screwed up and screwed up big time. That the methodologies they utilized, the philosophies they purport to embrace were rejected on a huge scale by the electorate. Whether that was because of overreach, people becoming hyper aware of their way of life degrading, a wholesale rejection of socialist ideology, the cyclical nature of views of successive generations or for whatever other reason doesn't really matter. It happened.

Raising children such that they believe that everyone is a winner was doing not just the children a huge disservice. The detrimental effects are being experienced by society. We're wasting time soothing damaged egos. That's not a function of government.

If Democrats want to win again they need to present a better argument for why they can provide a better government. It's as simple as that. They have not, they did not and they lost. Winners and losers. Since the beginning of mankind that basic principle has been unchanged.

In the meantime... get over it.

In simplest terms, if the hacking was from some Berkley Bernie Bros or some Texas hacktivist Jeb supporters I'd be more comfortable with it. The hacking would still be illegal & dirty pool. I have a huge problem with it being a foreign power. Especially a foreign power that is against freedom.

 

[1sikbITCH]

In simplest terms, if the hacking was from some Berkley Bernie Bros or some Texas hacktivist Jeb supporters I'd be more comfortable with it. The hacking would still be illegal & dirty pool. I have a huge problem with it being a foreign power. Especially a foreign power that is against freedom.

Agreed. If Trump's team had hacked the DNC on their own and not enlisted our enemies to defeat us I'd have laughed. Colluding with Russians to overthrow the government? Treason.

 

[jmagg]

Drinking the blue kool aid. Unwise.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll give you that the interfered with the Democrats keeping illegal activities from the public.

And those illegal activities were what, exactly?

 

[Jhhnn]

Musta been the CIA who framed the Russians-

https://www.salon.com/2017/03/09/se...irm-his-russia-cia-conspiracy-theory_partner/

 

[mizzou]

If the russians fabricated lies, that will be a huge issue. If the russians exposed existing communications its sort of a meh issue. Had the communicaton not been questionable, nobody would really care about what should honestly be available at public request anyway.

The russians didnt screw the DNC. thr DNC screwed themselves. Arguing preference that RNC was not targeted shows a lack of integrity and character.


Im awaiting any official investigative results before passing judgment on russias medling

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If the russians fabricated lies, that will be a huge issue. If the russians exposed existing communications its sort of a meh issue. Had the communicaton not been questionable, nobody would really care about what should honestly be available at public request anyway.

The russians didnt screw the DNC. thr DNC screwed themselves. Arguing preference that RNC was not targeted shows a lack of integrity and character.


Im awaiting any official investigative results before passing judgment on russias medling

So the Russians are really, really concerned about our freedom so they hack & released select data to help us out?
Again what happens next election cycle, what happens if every Politician speaks highly of Russia out of fear. That's the point its not about what the contents of the emails were.

 

[alien42]

If the russians fabricated lies, that will be a huge issue. If the russians exposed existing communications its sort of a meh issue. Had the communicaton not been questionable, nobody would really care about what should honestly be available at public request anyway.

The russians didnt screw the DNC. thr DNC screwed themselves. Arguing preference that RNC was not targeted shows a lack of integrity and character.


Im awaiting any official investigative results before passing judgment on russias medling

the Russians screwed the entire United States. by helping elect Donald Trump they have ensured instability, the destruction of the federal government and weakened the US like no one has ever been able to. Let's not mince words here, Donald Trump is one of the single greatest threats our democracy has ever seen.

 

[trenchfoot]

Hey now, because Trump won the presidency, it doesn't matter that the Russians helped him out, or that Trump had to lie his ass off and make ridiculous promises that he couldn't keep to win, or that millions more Americans voted against Trump than for him, or that Trump in his own words truly admires Putin, or that Trump continues to lie his ass off to take the heat off himself, or that the GOP controlled House and Senate is supporting this slimy ly'in snake of a president in order to make the very wealthy oh so much more wealthier at the expense of their very own working class and poor.

A win's a win, right? Nothing else matters, not even their own best interests it seems.

That these folks are voting against their own shadows doesn't make a single ounce of difference. What an epic propaganda achievement by the GOP leadership that they can make their own constituents vote against those very gov't sponsored programs and services that were meant to help them achieve a better quality of life, a helping hand as it were, that provides for them essential assistance of which the Big Corp profiteers and the GOP leadership they control are incessantly trying to take away from them.

 

[Thebobo]

You are missing the point. The left literally could not care less that the Russians hack us. Steal the F-35 plans? Yawn. Hack into vital infrastructure control systems? Who cares? Steal industrial secrets? Those are evil capitalists anyway. The ONLY reason the left is up in arms is because the Russians (assuming it WAS the Russians) hacked the DNC and exposed their dickery. That is their only red line, their own political power.

You are missing the point. The right literally could not care less that the Russians hack us. Steal the RNC emails? Right doesn't care it helped trump, Woot! Hack into Podestas emails, the right doesn't care it helped trump Woot! The ONLY reason the Right is happy is because the Russians (and of course it was the Russians) hacked the DNC and exposed their emails to help trump win the election.

What a silly game to play.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Not missing the point at all and totally agree with you.

You are missing the point. The left literally could not care less that the Russians hack us. Steal the F-35 plans? Yawn. Hack into vital infrastructure control systems? Who cares? Steal industrial secrets? Those are evil capitalists anyway. The ONLY reason the left is up in arms is because the Russians (assuming it WAS the Russians) hacked the DNC and exposed their dickery. That is their only red line, their own political power.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You are missing the point. The left literally could not care less that the Russians hack us. Steal the F-35 plans? Yawn. Hack into vital infrastructure control systems? Who cares? Steal industrial secrets? Those are evil capitalists anyway. The ONLY reason the left is up in arms is because the Russians (assuming it WAS the Russians) hacked the DNC and exposed their dickery. That is their only red line, their own political power.

QFT.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

QFT.

Wrong

*just like I was wrong about your healthcare stance*

 

[SNC]

And those illegal activities were what, exactly?

EXACTLY!! So what was it about the "hacking" and release of the DNC email that was so damaging to the HILLARY campaign?
If there was nothing illegal, what is/was the big deal? So someone gained access to the mail server of a political party and released email that, based on your remarks, (and I agree) should be considered perfectly OK. Where is the smoking gun, where is the email that Hillary sent admitting to killing someone or that she herself is actually a non citizen? There was nothing of the sort, nothing damaging to the party, nothing illegal, nothing anyone went to jail for or even fined as far as I know. So again I ask; HOW is it that Russia hacking a mail server, played any part in the election?

 

[compcons]

The "illegal" part is that a nation-state may have broken into a computer system and stolen information. That is pretty much frowned upon. The full impact it had on the campaign may still not be clear. However, the point remains that so many people are willing to look past this illegal activity because it may have benefited them. That's like a robber breaking into your neighbors house and then handing you a TV as they drive away and your like "No, it's cool that your breaking the law. It worked for me." Some seriously scary shit just happened and these people don't seem to care.

As far as their goals, it seems that Russia has gotten what they wanted. It believe that Putin was really hoping to show that our democratic process is a farce and it can be manipulated. Regardless of the final outcome, he has already undermined our democracy. That too is the important part, not who won. We all lost. Some people are just too caught up in politics or too dense to see that.

EH

 

[First]

You are missing the point. The right literally could not care less that the Russians hack us. Steal the RNC emails? Right doesn't care it helped trump, Woot! Hack into Podestas emails, the right doesn't care it helped trump Woot! The ONLY reason the Right is happy is because the Russians (and of course it was the Russians) hacked the DNC and exposed their emails to help trump win the election.

What a silly game to play.

Old werepossum is silly personified, with a near daily dose of speculative 'proggie' conspiracy babble, so claiming Russian interference is partisan Dem politics is merely empty, convenient par for the course whining.

 

[SNC]

The "illegal" part is that a nation-state may have broken into a computer system and stolen information. That is pretty much frowned upon. The full impact it had on the campaign may still not be clear. However, the point remains that so many people are willing to look past this illegal activity because it may have benefited them. That's like a robber breaking into your neighbors house and then handing you a TV as they drive away and your like "No, it's cool that your breaking the law. It worked for me." Some seriously scary shit just happened and these people don't seem to care.

As far as their goals, it seems that Russia has gotten what they wanted. It believe that Putin was really hoping to show that our democratic process is a farce and it can be manipulated. Regardless of the final outcome, he has already undermined our democracy. That too is the important part, not who won. We all lost. Some people are just too caught up in politics or too dense to see that.

EH

Follow along please. You might want to go back and re-read.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Come on Guys:

This one is when in trouble blame Hillary, good thing she isn't President

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-house-intelligence/index.html

On Twitter, Trump wrote: "Why isn't the House Intelligence Committee looking into the Bill & Hillary deal that allowed big Uranium to go to Russia, Russian speech...."
About 10 minutes later, the President completed the message, writing, "...money to Bill, the Hillary Russian 'reset,' praise of Russia by Hillary, or Podesta Russian Company. Trump Russia story is a hoax. #MAGA!"

Kushner meets up with a banker known to have ties to Russia in 12/2016

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/kushner-meeting-russian-banker-tied-to-putin/index.html

 

[Pens1566]

And those illegal activities were what, exactly?

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