?Conservatives? Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Whatever you do, don't admit to being wrong.

Look in the mirror moron. The crap being pushed is not even close to what your "poll" shows support for. And what it does support is a GENERAL IDEA - which is what I've repeatedly stated but you ignore(no surprise there). And as to the BHO plan - no - it's not "pretty much" that because BHO's "plan" wasn't a generic IDEA like the poll was about. Hell, BHO's "plan" barely had any detail but the "poll" has essentially zero.

But hey, I don't expect you to admit that - you libs never seem to when it comes to things like this. You expect "pretty much" to cover you when reality shows it's really not "pretty much".

The poll showed support for a government funded alternative health care provider. Obama's plan calls for a government funded alternative health care provider. This isn't hard.

I fully expect you to now retreat into a corner, furiously debating the definition of 'pretty much' or 'idea' to avoid admitting fault. You should probably just say your computer autocorrected your post to 'stupid' and leave it at that.

lol, No - I figured you'd hide behind the typical lib "pretty much" excuse. It's not "pretty much" and what's actually being debated isn't even close.
Again, if you would actually read what I post(for once) you'd see that I posted about people liking the IDEA - but not implementation - especially once details and costs are aired. But sure - stick your head in the sand and continue to ignore that reality.

Most Americans believe that the nation?s health care system is in need of substantial changes. Four-in-ten (41%) say the health care system needs to be completely rebuilt, while 30% think it needs fundamental changes. About one-in-four (24%) believe that the health care system works pretty well and needs only minor changes. But there is less support for completely rebuilding the health care system than there was during the early stage of the Clinton administration?s unsuccessful effort to revamp health care. In April 1993, a majority of Americans (55%) said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. As discussion of Clinton?s proposals progressed, support for completely rebuilding the health care system declined. By June 1994, just 37% said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. Support for a complete rebuilding of the health care system is lower than in early 1993 among all partisan groups. Today, 53% of Democrats, 38% of independents and 28% of Republicans support completely rebuilding the health care system. In April of 1993, 70% of Democrats, 55% of independents, and 41% of Republicans supported completely rebuilding the system.

What are you babbling about? Your link did absolutely nothing to disprove my point, it was just a bunch of mildly related statistics. How much people think the country's health care system 'needs to be rebuilt' doesn't have anything to do with Obama's plan, because I can't think of a single reasonable person that would say his plan 'completely rebuilds' the health care system. (much to my sadness) I sense yet another thread of self pwnage coming from CAD! Hooray!

Basically your argument is: "WELL THE PEOPLE MIGHT SUPPORT GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE BUT THEY DON'T SUPPORT US HEALTH CODE SECTION 9 SUBSECTION IV PARAGRAPH 12(b) CLAUSE 8719.23(c). WHAT THEY AND OBAMA WANT ARE NOTHING ALIKE."

 

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[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Whatever you do, don't admit to being wrong.

Look in the mirror moron. The crap being pushed is not even close to what your "poll" shows support for. And what it does support is a GENERAL IDEA - which is what I've repeatedly stated but you ignore(no surprise there). And as to the BHO plan - no - it's not "pretty much" that because BHO's "plan" wasn't a generic IDEA like the poll was about. Hell, BHO's "plan" barely had any detail but the "poll" has essentially zero.

But hey, I don't expect you to admit that - you libs never seem to when it comes to things like this. You expect "pretty much" to cover you when reality shows it's really not "pretty much".

The poll showed support for a government funded alternative health care provider. Obama's plan calls for a government funded alternative health care provider. This isn't hard.

I fully expect you to now retreat into a corner, furiously debating the definition of 'pretty much' or 'idea' to avoid admitting fault. You should probably just say your computer autocorrected your post to 'stupid' and leave it at that.

lol, No - I figured you'd hide behind the typical lib "pretty much" excuse. It's not "pretty much" and what's actually being debated isn't even close.
Again, if you would actually read what I post(for once) you'd see that I posted about people liking the IDEA - but not implementation - especially once details and costs are aired. But sure - stick your head in the sand and continue to ignore that reality.

Most Americans believe that the nation?s health care system is in need of substantial changes. Four-in-ten (41%) say the health care system needs to be completely rebuilt, while 30% think it needs fundamental changes. About one-in-four (24%) believe that the health care system works pretty well and needs only minor changes. But there is less support for completely rebuilding the health care system than there was during the early stage of the Clinton administration?s unsuccessful effort to revamp health care. In April 1993, a majority of Americans (55%) said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. As discussion of Clinton?s proposals progressed, support for completely rebuilding the health care system declined. By June 1994, just 37% said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. Support for a complete rebuilding of the health care system is lower than in early 1993 among all partisan groups. Today, 53% of Democrats, 38% of independents and 28% of Republicans support completely rebuilding the health care system. In April of 1993, 70% of Democrats, 55% of independents, and 41% of Republicans supported completely rebuilding the system.

What are you babbling about? Your link did absolutely nothing to disprove my point, it was just a bunch of mildly related statistics. How much people think the country's health care system 'needs to be rebuilt' doesn't have anything to do with Obama's plan, because I can't think of a single reasonable person that would say his plan 'completely rebuilds' the health care system. (much to my sadness) I sense yet another thread of self pwnage coming from CAD! Hooray!

Basically your argument is: "WELL THE PEOPLE MIGHT SUPPORT GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE BUT THEY DON'T SUPPORT US HEALTH CODE SECTION 9 SUBSECTION IV PARAGRAPH 12(b) CLAUSE 8719.23(c). WHAT THEY AND OBAMA WANT ARE NOTHING ALIKE."

? Where did I say what you(or anyone else) think BHO's supposed plan is "completely rebuilding"? Oh right - I didn't say that anywhere - so once again you FAIL.

The link shows that there is even less support for a massive overhaul than there was in '93. So again, just because you find a 60% poll doesn't mean that all those people want what BHO is pushing, the senate/house are pushing through(that BHO is trying to distance himself from even though his Admin is working behind the scenes on it), or some other plan. So basically the link is just an example of people maybe thinking the IDEA of UHC or the like may be OK but it depends on just how far it goes or what it entails. Any specific idea falls in support FAST when it's details are exposed regarding UHC.

Also, are you ever going to admit you are FOS with your "pretty much" BS? ....didn't think so. You are such a joke.

 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

lol, No - I figured you'd hide behind the typical lib "pretty much" excuse. It's not "pretty much" and what's actually being debated isn't even close.
Again, if you would actually read what I post(for once) you'd see that I posted about people liking the IDEA - but not implementation - especially once details and costs are aired. But sure - stick your head in the sand and continue to ignore that reality.

Most Americans believe that the nation?s health care system is in need of substantial changes. Four-in-ten (41%) say the health care system needs to be completely rebuilt, while 30% think it needs fundamental changes. About one-in-four (24%) believe that the health care system works pretty well and needs only minor changes. But there is less support for completely rebuilding the health care system than there was during the early stage of the Clinton administration?s unsuccessful effort to revamp health care. In April 1993, a majority of Americans (55%) said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. As discussion of Clinton?s proposals progressed, support for completely rebuilding the health care system declined. By June 1994, just 37% said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt. Support for a complete rebuilding of the health care system is lower than in early 1993 among all partisan groups. Today, 53% of Democrats, 38% of independents and 28% of Republicans support completely rebuilding the health care system. In April of 1993, 70% of Democrats, 55% of independents, and 41% of Republicans supported completely rebuilding the system.

What are you babbling about? Your link did absolutely nothing to disprove my point, it was just a bunch of mildly related statistics. How much people think the country's health care system 'needs to be rebuilt' doesn't have anything to do with Obama's plan, because I can't think of a single reasonable person that would say his plan 'completely rebuilds' the health care system. (much to my sadness) I sense yet another thread of self pwnage coming from CAD! Hooray!

Basically your argument is: "WELL THE PEOPLE MIGHT SUPPORT GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE BUT THEY DON'T SUPPORT US HEALTH CODE SECTION 9 SUBSECTION IV PARAGRAPH 12(b) CLAUSE 8719.23(c). WHAT THEY AND OBAMA WANT ARE NOTHING ALIKE."

? Where did I say what you(or anyone else) think BHO's supposed plan is "completely rebuilding"? Oh right - I didn't say that anywhere - so once again you FAIL.

The link shows that there is even less support for a massive overhaul than there was in '93. So again, just because you find a 60% poll doesn't mean that all those people want what BHO is pushing, the senate/house are pushing through(that BHO is trying to distance himself from even though his Admin is working behind the scenes on it), or some other plan. So basically the link is just an example of people maybe thinking the IDEA of UHC or the like may be OK but it depends on just how far it goes or what it entails. Any specific idea falls in support FAST when it's details are exposed regarding UHC.

Also, are you ever going to admit you are FOS with your "pretty much" BS? ....didn't think so. You are such a joke.

Your link shows that it is POSSIBLE for people to support an idea and not the implementation, but it does absolutely nothing to show that people support the idea of UHC but not OBAMA'S implementation. Considering that our dispute wasn't whether or not such a thing was possible, but if it were happening here with Obama, your link is completely worthless. Do you understand how evidence works?

Now speaking more to the specifics of Obama's plan, here's an NBC/WSJ poll where they outline the specifics of what Obama's plan is, and in this particular poll it garners 55% support. (compared between the two polls the difference is statistically significant, but only by a couple of percentage points.) So yes, support for Obama's specific plan is quite close to support for the idea in general.

See CAD? This is how you provide evidence for your argument.