Conservatives are at an information disadvantage

[OrByte]

So now the President does not have a clue how to solve the financial problems of the people that elected him. What will he do in the next 4 years?

The Media Successfully brainwashed the public.

Do we just keep extending the debt till we go bankrupt?

There is always the possibility that the economy will turn around despite what the government is doing. However, I doubt it.

I'm sorry. But you are parroting the exact same message from the echo chamber that I've been hearing since last night (and for many years for that matter)

Hugh Hewitt
Lars Larson
Phil Cowan (local guy)
etc etc etc *barf*

These pundits are just flat out wrong..the article in the OP does a great job explaining this.

I'm worried that the Republicans are soo down the rabbits hole with their outrage and ideological contempt, that they will be absolutely worthless in 2016 as well.

The loses that Romney took last night will not magically get better..the exit polls should really worry republicans...Romney couldn't do any better than he did last night. And the GOP is not learning the lessons it needs to.

Think of it this way.

Obama winning was the best thing for Rush Limbaugh's retirement account(s)

 

[dbk]

So now the President does not have a clue how to solve the financial problems of the people that elected him. What will he do in the next 4 years?

The Media Successfully brainwashed the public.

Do we just keep extending the debt till we go bankrupt?

There is always the possibility that the economy will turn around despite what the government is doing. However, I doubt it.

i think, by all measures, it's been improving since the collapse of 2008.. just not as fast as people want/need

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The demographics of this race are simply brutal for the future of the GOP. For months all we kept hearing from the right was that the polling was off and they were way oversampling Democrats. Turns out the polling was pretty much spot on, and the demographic makeup of the electorate was almost identical to '08.

The percentage of white vote is going down each cycle. GOP cannot win without getting some significant percentage of the minority vote. There will be major fallout from this as the party leaders wrangle with their base while trying to figure out how to broaden their coalition.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Limbaugh actually just said that if Romney had won, he wouldn't have blamed Obama for anything during his presidency. LOL.

 

[dullard]

So now the President does not have a clue how to solve the financial problems of the people that elected him. What will he do in the next 4 years?

The Media Successfully brainwashed the public.

Do we just keep extending the debt till we go bankrupt?

There is always the possibility that the economy will turn around despite what the government is doing. However, I doubt it.

Perfect example of information disadvantage. GDP is growing, inflation is low, jobs have been created month after month for over 3 years, deficit is basically flat, etc. If you finally admit the truth, you could use it to win. Until then, you'll keep losing. Americans can spot (and detest) denial.

 

[TechAZ]

Perfect example of information disadvantage. GDP is growing, inflation is low, jobs have been created month after month for over 3 years, deficit is basically flat, etc. If you finally admit the truth, you could use it to win. Until then, you'll keep losing. Americans can spot (and detest) denial.

In the past 4 years I have gotten 1 raise. My health insurance premiums have gone up 50% while my co-pays and deductible also went up. The health facility that I work at hired consultants 3 years ago and we have halved the amount of employees in our department and everyone now works twice as hard (and it is hard) for not even cost of living increases over the past 4 years.

It may just be the place I work at, but I think it's more common than many think.

47 million on food stamps and en entitlement mentality going up is not good for this country.

Sure there are a ton of retarded republican voters, and there are also a ton of lazy people who want more free stuff and a bigger safety net. The OP is hardly someone who should be preaching about anything, just looking at his signature he is at least partially deranged or just too caught up in the sports of politics.

 

[OrByte]

Limbaugh actually just said that if Romney had won, he wouldn't have blamed Obama for anything during his presidency. LOL.

thanks for the live blog. seriously

I'd have it on at work but my co-workers are still all butt hurt from last night so I'm being nice today.

smiling on the inside

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

True.

Also: Jon Stewart doesn't lie his ass off 15 hours a week. Limbaugh does.

I think people misunderstand Limbaugh. He has found a market and carved out a niche. When the reps lose he wins because he digs it deeper and gets paid to stir the pot. He wins when Dems do. Think not? I bet an inspection of his bank accounts would prove otherwise. He's not for anyone but himself. A perfect predator.

 

[OrByte]

In the past 4 years I have gotten 1 raise. My health insurance premiums have gone up 50% while my co-pays and deductible also went up. The health facility that I work at hired consultants 3 years ago and we have halved the amount of employees in our department and everyone now works twice as hard (and it is hard) for not even cost of living increases over the past 4 years.

It may just be the place I work at, but I think it's more common than many think.

47 million on food stamps and en entitlement mentality going up is not good for this country.

Sure there are a ton of retarded republican voters, and there are also a ton of lazy people who want more free stuff and a bigger safety net. The OP is hardly someone who should be preaching about anything, just looking at his signature he is at least partially deranged or just too caught up in the sports of politics.

more echo chamber crap.

Can you quantify the increasing "entitlement mentality" for me please with a link?

 

[ShawnD1]

I just heard Glenn Beck say the US dollar is "crashing". It's actually down 0.1%.

Millions of people consider what these people say as gospel.

A lot of liberals interpret it as gospel as well - we know the entire thing is BS.

 

[Phokus]

I think people misunderstand Limbaugh. He has found a market and carved out a niche. When the reps lose he wins because he digs it deeper and gets paid to stir the pot. He wins when Dems do. Think not? I bet an inspection of his bank accounts would prove otherwise. He's not for anyone but himself. A perfect predator.

Oh I agree with this, but it doesn't matter that he's (along with Fox News) is the leader of conservative media and conservatives love him no matter who is in charge of the country. That's the whole point.

 

[jackstar7]

Good thing libs are for expanding gov't then. It's so smart to increase the power of an already dangerous institution, and then let idiots run it.

What expansion of government? Decreases in public employment over the last four years?

 

[dullard]

In the past 4 years I have gotten 1 raise. My health insurance premiums have gone up 50% while my co-pays and deductible also went up. The health facility that I work at hired consultants 3 years ago and we ha. halved the amount of employees in our department anCostly welfare.yone now works twice as hard (and it is hard) for not even cost of living increases over the past 4 years.

It may just be the place I work at, but I think it's more common than many think.

47 million on food stamps and en entitlement mentality going up is not good for this country.

Sure there are a ton of retarded republican voters, and there are also a ton of lazy people who want more free stuff and a bigger safety net. The OP is hardly someone who should be preaching about anything, just looking at his signature he is at least partially deranged or just too caught up in the sports of politics.

You have a job and a raise. Put it in context.

Health insurance premiums have little to do with government and all to do with your business cutting costs and passing them on to you. You should be made at the business not the government for that.

Food stamps were purposely and temporarily expanded. That is a positive sign of a functioning government.

Focus on real issues if you want to win. Wasteful spending. Giveaways. A food stamp costs almost nothing. A $49,000 tax deduction for a retirement plan dwarfs it. Most of our welfare is wasted. Wasted tax cuts on oil is welfare too. 15% tax brackets for capital gains is welfare. Costly welfare.

Fix medicare. That is our big budget problem. Yet republicans complain if waste is cut there.There are winning conservative ideas. Tackle them, not small sob stories. Cut pork. Slash the farm bill, and well, write a farm bill as that is just one massive welfare program.

 

[jackstar7]

there are also a ton of lazy people

Do you imagine they are all aligned with one party? What split do you imagine?

 

[TechAZ]

more echo chamber crap.

Can you quantify the increasing "entitlement mentality" for me please with a link?

Echo chamber? I don't even follow politics anymore. I don't listen to talk radio, don't watch cable news, don't read blogs or anything else. I really don't even have a problem with Obama, my problem lies with a significant percentage of voters who I wouldn't trust to get my order correct at a restaurant.

The entitlement mentality that I talk about is from real life interactions with people. Co-workers, friends, family, things of that nature. The Obama campaign wouldn't pander to the lower class if there wasn't a reason for it. Just the same as the Romney campaign wouldn't pander to the religious nutjob demographic if there wasn't a reason.

 

[OrByte]

Echo chamber? I don't even follow politics anymore. I don't listen to talk radio, don't watch cable news, don't read blogs or anything else. I really don't even have a problem with Obama, my problem lies with a significant percentage of voters who I wouldn't trust to get my order correct at a restaurant.

The entitlement mentality that I talk about is from real life interactions with people. Co-workers, friends, family, things of that nature. The Obama campaign wouldn't pander to the lower class if there wasn't a reason for it. Just the same as the Romney campaign wouldn't pander to the religious nutjob demographic if there wasn't a reason.

and the "pandering to the lower class" is yet another mischaracterization by the echo chamber. So no, I don't believe you when you say you don't listen to nor follow politics anymore.

When Obama says he wants to move forward with a country where everybody can succeed do you believe him?

As for Romney pandering to "religious nutjobs", well that part is easy. All he has to do is say he is pro-life (even though once upon a time he wasn't) and the "religious nutjobs" have no choice but to fall into lockstep because the other side eats babies for breakfast!

Going right back to the problem with the current state of the GOP, ideological contempt and outrage is in the driver seat while moderation isn't.

 

[TechAZ]

and the "pandering to the lower class" is yet another mischaracterization by the echo chamber. So no, I don't believe you when you say you don't listen to nor follow politics anymore.

When Obama says he wants to move forward with a country where everybody can succeed do you believe him?

As for Romney pandering to "religious nutjobs", well that part is easy. All he has to do is say he is pro-life (even though once upon a time he wasn't) and the "religious nutjobs" have no choice but to fall into lockstep because the other side eats babies for breakfast!

Going right back to the problem with the current state of the GOP, ideological contempt and outrage is in the driver seat while moderation isn't.

You don't have to believe me, but that would make you wrong. I don't need to follow politics to hear soundbites on the local news or see someone throw up a video on facebook. I didn't say I purposely turn a channel or ignore everything.

I do believe Obama when he says that, why wouldn't he want to do that?

 

[Mursilis]

What expansion of government? Decreases in public employment over the last four years?

I'm talking about the scope and power of gov't, not the size of it in employment numbers (which is also too big). When you expand it as an institution with too much power, you get things like the war on drugs - 100K+ people in prison for nothing more than smoking or snorting a substance a bunch of other people decided is bad for you! Or things like infinite detention, trampled civil rights, and other goodies from the war on terror.

 

[ivwshane]

Echo chamber? I don't even follow politics anymore. I don't listen to talk radio, don't watch cable news, don't read blogs or anything else. I really don't even have a problem with Obama, my problem lies with a significant percentage of voters who I wouldn't trust to get my order correct at a restaurant.

The entitlement mentality that I talk about is from real life interactions with people. Co-workers, friends, family, things of that nature. The Obama campaign wouldn't pander to the lower class if there wasn't a reason for it. Just the same as the Romney campaign wouldn't pander to the religious nutjob demographic if there wasn't a reason.

Lol do you need a mirror? "entitlement mentality", weren't you just complaining about only getting one raise? Weren't you just complaining about rising health cars costs?

You are the problem, you are extremely ignorant of the issues and reality. You don't trust anyone and yet you are exactly like them.

It's apparent you don't watch the news or listen to the radio, it appears you get your info from emails and you happily parrot whatever they say.

Sure there are a ton of retarded republican voters, and there are also a ton of lazy people who want more free stuff and a bigger safety net.

You are one of them and it's sad that you aren't even aware of it.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm talking about the scope and power of gov't, not the size of it in employment numbers (which is also too big). When you expand it as an institution with too much power, you get things like the war on drugs - 100K+ people in prison for nothing more than smoking or snorting a substance a bunch of other people decided is bad for you! Or things like infinite detention, trampled civil rights, and other goodies from the war on terror.

Sounds like a lot of your issues are not with Dems then, but with government in general.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds like a lot of your issues are not with Dems then, but with government in general.

Or with aspects of it which are supported in fact by any party that has a chance of winning. Government isn't inherently evil or even bad, but IMO it's role is a facilitator, not advocate, judge and jury and unaccountable executioner if need be. Witness the NDAA.

 

[Cerb]

So now the President does not have a clue how to solve the financial problems of the people that elected him. What will he do in the next 4 years?

The Media Successfully brainwashed the public.

The Romney campaign sucked. They needed to reach out to people other than WASPs, and didn't. Romney needed to start talking about what he was going to try to push, for the economy. The first I heard of that was less than a week away from the election*. Romney flipped-flopped several times. Romney pandered to religious social issues that are meaningless to being POTUS, and which create serious risk of turning off voters. Oh, and what regular media did he utilize?

A sensible candidate, with a sensible campaign could have wiped the floor with Obama. All it would have taken, however hard that may be for party members, would be to set down a vision for the nation, stick to it, and politely offer, "I don't really care," answers to unimportant fringe issues.

I'd have taken Romney just to have some change in the white house, but oh well.

Much like with McCain, they had a golden opportunity and let it slip through their fingers.

Quit blaming the phantom left-wing media machine. The Rs lost because they didn't try to win, because winning will involve being inclusive, and sticking to a useful message, and that message needs to be one that can satisfy a majority of R voters, a majority of independent voters, and a significant minority of D voters. Ten different messages, sometimes contradictory,each for a different set of niche supporters, ain't gonna cut it, nor is flip-flopping, nor is ignoring the issues people want to hear about.

* Talking about protectionism v. China, and tax incentives for manufacturing, is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Saying, "I know how to create jobs, because I'm from the private sector," means absolutely nothing, when it comes to what he could do as POTUS.

 

[her209]

Repeat something enough times until it becomes truth. That was FNC's business model. But they got reality checked last night.

 

[sigurros81]

The reason why John Stewart has a job is because of rightwing batshit-crazy pundits give him ammunition every day.

 

[Zebo]

Gloat all you want phokus - but all Republicans have to do is wait for taxes to be raised by Democrats governing. Sure fire way for Republicans to sweep in. Tick tock tick tock. I'm an old ho and seen it all b4.

Unless u contend they plan to be just as irresponsible as Republicans- they why u support them so?