Conservative Radio Host Gets Waterboarded To Prove It's Not Torture; Lasts 6 Seconds

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

I am not trying to justify torture.

I am stating that is has been used and worked to provide the information desired. It is up to the people that obtain the info to determine the validity and/or relevance.

I provided you an example that you requested.

And I challenge your assertion. You didn't answer my questions that would establish whether it actually provided "the information desired." For the information to be useful, it would have to be confirmed and validated before it was needed. I'm sure a lot of time was lost chasing misinformation, and that it was costly to them. At least, I hope so.

Bottom line -- I don't give a rat's ass. There is no HUMAN justification for torture. We will never defeat evil by becoming the evil we seek to defeat. If we do, we lose our humanity, and who wins the battle of the moment is meaningless.

I will not concede the point or dignify the proposition that torture is useful, let alone acceptable or excusable, in any way, for any alleged "reason."

Axis powers were able to destroy resistance groups because they tortured a group member to obtain other names and or plans.

Allied infiltration agents that were being dropped in to support such groups were captured as a result of such interrogations.

Information desired was the names of members and/or tactical information. That information was provided and acted on successfully.

Without the names of members, the groups would not have been able to be destroyed after a member was captured.

Ambushes require advance information - where was the info obtained from?

I'm honestly not sure why you guys are debating THIS particular point. Surely an argument against torture doesn't have to take the position that it has never worked to obtain actionable intelligence from anyone, ever, in the history of the world.

And instead of paying attention to how effective it may or may not have been in the past, I'm extremely disturbed by the fact that the example you found to demonstrate that torture can work is from the Nazi Gestapo. While there may be a lesson to take away from how effective they found it, it's also worth considering, I think, that they found it acceptable to use in the first place. Because generally I think we'd like to stay out of select groups that include Nazis. Of course the fact that Nazis tortured people doesn't, by itself, make it morally wrong. But if they're the ONLY kinds of people doing it, we might want to reconsider just how evil an act we're really engaging in here.

Resistance & partisans groups also used such techniques against the Germans and Italians.
SVA used it w/ our people against the NVA & VC.
More than likely is has been used during the cold war.

It has been a trait to use it to obtain information. The value may be suspect; however if there are the resources to chase it down, false leads are be considered to be acceptable losses.

We (the West) are not squeaky clean; it is just that this has come into the open.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Turtlebarbeque

Why is this such an issue. No one had their limbs chopped off or was executed or electrocuted. OK stop doing it. Why does this subject inflame so many people. ~12,000 murders a year in the US, no one cares. ~35,000 auto deaths, no one cares. But go to Iraq and unseat a dictator and all hell breaks loose. Sadam was good man just like Kim Jung-il is a great humanatarian who should remain in power. And, Afghanistan - that war is ok. More troops over there but don't waterboard. Find a new subject to beat to death.

Oh, great. Yet another ethically challenged, morally bankrupt, sub-human turd. If you want facts that's what you are, search for my posts on the subject.

Who the bloody fuck are you to tell the entire forum to find a new subject? If you want to discuss another issue, start a thread. Nobody forced you to join, let alone to post your worthless bullshit.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Axis powers were able to destroy resistance groups because they tortured a group member to obtain other names and or plans.

Allied infiltration agents that were being dropped in to support such groups were captured as a result of such interrogations.

Information desired was the names of members and/or tactical information. That information was provided and acted on successfully.

Without the names of members, the groups would not have been able to be destroyed after a member was captured.

Ambushes require advance information - where was the info obtained from?

So torture worked so well, the resistance was crushed? Everyone was so scared of being tortured they wouldn't enlist/aid the resistance and it just ended? Germany went on to win the war because of this? I don't think so.

Yes, they captured some resistance members. But that didn't stop others from stepping up and taking their place, nor did it stop the resistance overall. The Allies still worked with them, still dropped more agents in, and we still ended up winning the war.

Sound familiar to what we are doing now? We "stopped this or that attack" due to torture, so we are winning! Wrong. We may (or may not, given Bush/Cheney's outright lies for 7 years) stopped an attack or two. But there are still many more people that are now pissed at us and willing to step up and volunteer themselves. Ever hear of the phrase "win the battle, but lose the war"?

Torturing people and invading countries for no reason (Iraq) have caused more harm to this country then any benefits torture may/may not provide (and most people don't even think it helps at all). We capture and torture a dozen people, and 100 more get pissed and volunteer.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Both of us are stating the torture has been used in recent history to accomplish intended aims.
And the possiblity of torture being used has affected policy.

Neither one of us has stated that it is justified.

It's such a strange point to make though. "Hey, the Nazis found torture effective... but I'm not necessarily condoning that." OK, and? And worse, I think, is when dphantom writes "there may be times when as wrong as it is, it may be the right thing to do. That does not make us the same evil as our enemies." That comes off sounding like a justification for torture, and it sounds a little bit crazy. "The Nazis, wow, what a bunch of evil shitheads. I mean, they tortured people for God's sake! But then again, it was effective... I'm not saying we should do that, but if it gets results..." Why even bring the Gestapo into the debate? Do we really sink as low as the most evil people in the history of the world just because one of their evil tactics was effective?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Rainsford
...
I'm honestly not sure why you guys are debating THIS particular point. Surely an argument against torture doesn't have to take the position that it has never worked to obtain actionable intelligence from anyone, ever, in the history of the world.

And instead of paying attention to how effective it may or may not have been in the past, I'm extremely disturbed by the fact that the example you found to demonstrate that torture can work is from the Nazi Gestapo. While there may be a lesson to take away from how effective they found it, it's also worth considering, I think, that they found it acceptable to use in the first place. Because generally I think we'd like to stay out of select groups that include Nazis. Of course the fact that Nazis tortured people doesn't, by itself, make it morally wrong. But if they're the ONLY kinds of people doing it, we might want to reconsider just how evil an act we're really engaging in here.

Resistance & partisans groups also used such techniques against the Germans and Italians.
SVA used it w/ our people against the NVA & VC.
More than likely is has been used during the cold war.

It has been a trait to use it to obtain information. The value may be suspect; however if there are the resources to chase it down, false leads are be considered to be acceptable losses.

We (the West) are not squeaky clean; it is just that this has come into the open.

Well again though, is association with those groups and activities really something we want?

I suppose there are two ways we can view torture in those times and places. The first is to view it as an unrelated thing that we judge on its own merits without associating it specifically with the situations in which it was used. But the second way is that it's a byproduct and a symptom of troubled times, and that if we want to avoid the results of those times, we should avoid the methods as well.

Were Nazis bad people who happened to use torture to interrogate their prisoners, or were they bad people specifically because they did things like torture their prisoners? An even better question comes from your Vietnam example. There is an argument to be made there that by engaging in (or supporting) the kinds of activities we did in Vietnam, we alienated too much of the population and made victory too difficult to achieve through force of arms alone. I don't think it was the biggest factor, but it's worth considering whether the short term intelligence we obtained through torture we either conducted or tacitly supported was outweighed by the damage it did to the larger war we were fighting.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I hope you realize that the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used were modeled after those used by North Korea and North Vietnam to obtain confessions from captured Americans.

Unless you think Lt. Cmdr McCain really was an infamous Air Pirate who intentionally targeted North Vietnamese civilians, you have to question the value of the confessions obtained under these circumstances...

False confessions are what they want, and the more horrendous the confession, the more thy can justify the use of torture. This sound like quality vrs quantity, results even if wrong.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: JS80
lulz hoax

"We went into this thinking it was going to be a joke," Muller said very quickly when Gawker called him. "But it was not a joke ? it was horrible. 'Hoax' is probably not the right word, but we did think it was going to be a joke."

How is that a 'hoax'? That's pretty consistent with what he said before... he thought it was going to be no big deal, 'holding his breath' for like 30 seconds, but his pain was real.

It was a stunt. Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded" - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people. The guy that did it to Mancow (the SHOCK JOCK and LIBERTARIAN RADIO HOST) had no training in how to administer it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It was a stunt. Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded" - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people. The guy that did it to Mancow (the SHOCK JOCK and LIBERTARIAN RADIO HOST) had no training in how to administer it.

For an engineer, you certainly don't have any understanding of physics or physiology. You can try to side step the issue or attempt to paint it as something other than what it is, but...

• Water continuously forced into mouth and nose with no ability to breathe = WATERBOARDING.

As a definition for the purpose of proving the concept that it's torture, that's "close enough for government work."

The saddest part about it is that it was OUR government committing horrific acts of TORTURE in OUR name.

The entire Bushwhacko administration is an embarrassment to the United States of America and to humanity. So is anyone who supports or condones their heinous crimes or otherwise attempts to deny them. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[Fear No Evil]

Faux Outrage over this whole torture thing!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Faux Outrage over this whole torture thing!

No, TRUE outrage that ethically challenged, morally bankrupt, sub-human pieces of shit like you who would sacrifice every human value instilled in our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution and our system of justice Americans have fought and died to defend and preserve for over two hundred years.

YOU are a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Faux Outrage over this whole torture thing!

No, TRUE outrage that ethically challenged, morally bankrupt, sub-human pieces of shit like you who would sacrifice every human value instilled in our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution and our system of justice Americans have fought and died to defend and preserve for over two hundred years.

YOU are a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

Is this "hyperbole", too?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It was a stunt. Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded" - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people. The guy that did it to Mancow (the SHOCK JOCK and LIBERTARIAN RADIO HOST) had no training in how to administer it.

For an engineer, you certainly don't have any understanding of physics or physiology. You can try to side step the issue or attempt to paint it as something other than what it is, but...

• Water continuously forced into mouth and nose with no ability to breathe = WATERBOARDING.

As a definition for the purpose of proving the concept that it's torture, that's "close enough for government work."

The saddest part about it is that it was OUR government committing horrific acts of TORTURE in OUR name.

The entire Bushwhacko administration is an embarrassment to the United States of America and to humanity. So is anyone who supports or condones their heinous crimes or otherwise attempts to deny them. :thumbsdown: :|

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt?

Nice use of the rhetorical question

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

Did you bother to watch Mancow's second apperance on Olbermann's show where both of them explain in no uncertain terms that it was anything but a "hoax?"

Mancow's own statements begin at around 3:25 into the segment. Both Olbermann and Mancow provide their own reasons why it's ridiculous to consider their joint presentation of Mancow's waterboarding to be anything but real.

By that, I mean ridiculous to any rational human being. That wouldn't include perverted, ethically challeged, sub-human moral turds who deny any and all evidence that waterboarding is TORTURE and that TORTURE is illegal under U.S. and international laws and treaties throughout most of the civilized world, as well as unethical and immoral under the teachings of the vast majority of religious and philosophical doctrines.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

Did you bother to watch Mancow's second apperance on Olbermann's show where both of them explain in no uncertain terms that it was anything but a "hoax?"

Mancow's own statements begin at around 3:25 into the segment. Both Olbermann and Mancow provide their own reasons why it's ridiculous to consider their joint presentation of Mancow's waterboarding to be anything but real.

By that, I mean ridiculous to any rational human being. That wouldn't include perverted, ethically challeged, sub-human moral turds who deny any and all evidence that waterboarding is TORTURE and that TORTURE is illegal under U.S. and international laws and treaties throughout most of the civilized world, as well as unethical and immoral under the teachings of the vast majority of religious and philosophical doctrines.

Who the fuck watches Olbermann?

I was in San Diego not long ago and a wave took me under and I thought I was gonna drown for about 6 seconds.....that was torture.

If a shock jock volunteers and does a media tour about waterboarding it must have been BRUTAL! I bet he's scarred for life.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It was a stunt. Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded" - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people. The guy that did it to Mancow (the SHOCK JOCK and LIBERTARIAN RADIO HOST) had no training in how to administer it.

For an engineer, you certainly don't have any understanding of physics or physiology. You can try to side step the issue or attempt to paint it as something other than what it is, but...

• Water continuously forced into mouth and nose with no ability to breathe = WATERBOARDING.

As a definition for the purpose of proving the concept that it's torture, that's "close enough for government work."

The saddest part about it is that it was OUR government committing horrific acts of TORTURE in OUR name.

The entire Bushwhacko administration is an embarrassment to the United States of America and to humanity. So is anyone who supports or condones their heinous crimes or otherwise attempts to deny them. :thumbsdown: :|

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

They still let you troll around here eh? it's Torture, if you don't think it's Torture try it.




SHUX

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Who the fuck watches Olbermann?

Who the fuck would bother to spend a few minutes to watch the original source material where Mancow actually WAS waterboarded to see it happen? Who the fuck would bother to spend a few more minutes to watch Mancow's return, a week later, to reply to the bogus claims that it was a "hoax?"

Anyone who wants to know first hand what this particular story is about before opening their mouths to prove their abject ignorance... like YOU! :roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

Did you bother to watch Mancow's second apperance on Olbermann's show where both of them explain in no uncertain terms that it was anything but a "hoax?"

Mancow's own statements begin at around 3:25 into the segment. Both Olbermann and Mancow provide their own reasons why it's ridiculous to consider their joint presentation of Mancow's waterboarding to be anything but real.

By that, I mean ridiculous to any rational human being. That wouldn't include perverted, ethically challeged, sub-human moral turds who deny any and all evidence that waterboarding is TORTURE and that TORTURE is illegal under U.S. and international laws and treaties throughout most of the civilized world, as well as unethical and immoral under the teachings of the vast majority of religious and philosophical doctrines.

:roll: Again - if you would actually READ - you'd note that I said it was more of a STUNT than a "hoax" - which is exactly the case if they guy who did it had no actual training in the methods. MANCOW (the shock jock) was not "waterboarded" as the CIA did to the couple terrorists. You can continue to bleet on and on but it doesn't change those FACTS.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

double

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It was a stunt. Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded" - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people. The guy that did it to Mancow (the SHOCK JOCK and LIBERTARIAN RADIO HOST) had no training in how to administer it.

For an engineer, you certainly don't have any understanding of physics or physiology. You can try to side step the issue or attempt to paint it as something other than what it is, but...

• Water continuously forced into mouth and nose with no ability to breathe = WATERBOARDING.

As a definition for the purpose of proving the concept that it's torture, that's "close enough for government work."

The saddest part about it is that it was OUR government committing horrific acts of TORTURE in OUR name.

The entire Bushwhacko administration is an embarrassment to the United States of America and to humanity. So is anyone who supports or condones their heinous crimes or otherwise attempts to deny them. :thumbsdown: :|

Did you even READ the article where it was revealed to be a stunt? Obviously not(not surprising for you fringe left types). The guy was NOT trained in how to waterboard - so No he was not waterboarded by the standards that the CIA or the gov't would. So as much as you want to whine, kick, scream during your little tantrums - the shock jock radio host was not "waterboarded" like we waterboarded a couple of terrorists.

They still let you troll around here eh? it's Torture, if you don't think it's Torture try it.




SHUX

:laugh: The only one of us that is trolling is you. Can you please point out where I stated it wasn't "torture" in the MANCOW situation? I rather think it was since the guy DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPER TECHNIQUES! However, MANCOW (the shock jock) was NOT "waterboarded" the way the CIA or our gov't did to the couple of terrorists.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:laugh: The only one of us that is trolling is you. Can you please point out where I stated it wasn't "torture" in the MANCOW situation? I rather think it was since the guy DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPER TECHNIQUES! However, MANCOW (the shock jock) was NOT "waterboarded" the way the CIA or our gov't did to the couple of terrorists.

YOU claim it was a "hoax" and that Mancow wasn't waterboarded. Same question -- Did YOU bother to watch Mancow's second apperance on Olbermann's show? Both Mancow and Olbermann explain in no uncertain terms why it was anything but a "hoax."

If you don't believe what they say, and you don't believe Mancow WAS waterboarded, please try what they did to him on yourself, including video documentation. Then, come back and tell us about it. Until then, you don't know your ass from that hole in the ground you keep digging for yourself. :thumbsdown:

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

If you don't believe what they say, and you don't believe Mancow WAS waterboarded, please try what they did to him on yourself, including video documentation. Then, come back and tell us about it. Until then, you don't know your ass from that hole in the ground you keep digging for yourself. :thumbsdown:

Have you been waterboarded? I mean, you're giving the impression that your the forum expert on the topic.

Or is this just hyperbole?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:laugh: The only one of us that is trolling is you. Can you please point out where I stated it wasn't "torture" in the MANCOW situation? I rather think it was since the guy DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPER TECHNIQUES! However, MANCOW (the shock jock) was NOT "waterboarded" the way the CIA or our gov't did to the couple of terrorists.

YOU claim it was a "hoax" and that Mancow wasn't waterboarded. Same question -- Did YOU bother to watch Mancow's second apperance on Olbermann's show? Both Mancow and Olbermann explain in no uncertain terms why it was anything but a "hoax."

If you don't believe what they say, and you don't believe Mancow WAS waterboarded, please try what they did to him on yourself, including video documentation. Then, come back and tell us about it. Until then, you don't know your ass from that hole in the ground you keep digging for yourself. :thumbsdown:

Please point to where I stated it was a "hoax". Oh wait - you can't.

Also - it is not and was not "waterboarding" like what the CIA/gov't did to the couple of terrorists. You know - the same shit I've stated in this thread repeatedly but you refuse to read. Your knee just goes off and then the spittle flies. Maybe you should have your meds adjusted so you don't continue to look like a crazy old coot.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Faux Outrage over this whole torture thing!

No, TRUE outrage that ethically challenged, morally bankrupt, sub-human pieces of shit like you who would sacrifice every human value instilled in our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution and our system of justice Americans have fought and died to defend and preserve for over two hundred years.

YOU are a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

Is this "hyperbole", too?

No. That's a statement of fact about both you and Fear No Evil. :thumbsdown: :|

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Please point to where I stated it was a "hoax". Oh wait - you can't.

Also - it is not and was not "waterboarding" like what the CIA/gov't did to the couple of terrorists. You know - the same shit I've stated in this thread repeatedly but you refuse to read. Your knee just goes off and then the spittle flies. Maybe you should have your meds adjusted so you don't continue to look like a crazy old coot.

[/quote]

OK. If you want to deny the implication behind your own words, you said...

Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded"

Still, in that quote and again in the one above, you deny that Mancow was "waterboarded." So, by your own anal parsing of your words, it wasn't a "hoax."

Main Entry: hoax
Function: noun
Date: 1808

1. An act intended to deceive or trick.
2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.
tr.v. hoaxed, hoax·ing, hoax·es
To deceive or cheat by using a hoax

The only "defense" you could offer was:

Again - if you would actually READ - you'd note that I said it was more of a STUNT than a "hoax" - which is exactly the case if they guy who did it had no actual training in the methods. MANCOW (the shock jock) was not "waterboarded" as the CIA did to the couple terrorists.

Saying Mancow's waterboarding wasn't a "hoax," but more of a "stunt" is like saying he wasn't killed. He was just caused to cease living. Of course, anyone with half a brain who watches the actual footage of what was done to Mancow would know your bullshit attempt to minimize it or dismiss it falls to shit. :roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Faux Outrage over this whole torture thing!

No, TRUE outrage that ethically challenged, morally bankrupt, sub-human pieces of shit like you who would sacrifice every human value instilled in our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution and our system of justice Americans have fought and died to defend and preserve for over two hundred years.

YOU are a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

Is this "hyperbole", too?

No. That's a statement of fact about both you and Fear No Evil. :thumbsdown: :|

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Please point to where I stated it was a "hoax". Oh wait - you can't.

Also - it is not and was not "waterboarding" like what the CIA/gov't did to the couple of terrorists. You know - the same shit I've stated in this thread repeatedly but you refuse to read. Your knee just goes off and then the spittle flies. Maybe you should have your meds adjusted so you don't continue to look like a crazy old coot.

OK. If you want to deny the implication behind your own words, you said...

Maybe "hoax" isn't the right word but he was not "water boarded"

Still, in that quote and again in the one above, you deny that Mancow was "waterboarded." So, by your own anal parsing of your words, it wasn't a "hoax."

Main Entry: hoax
Function: noun
Date: 1808

1. An act intended to deceive or trick.
2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.
tr.v. hoaxed, hoax·ing, hoax·es
To deceive or cheat by using a hoax

The only "defense" you could offer was:

Again - if you would actually READ - you'd note that I said it was more of a STUNT than a "hoax" - which is exactly the case if they guy who did it had no actual training in the methods. MANCOW (the shock jock) was not "waterboarded" as the CIA did to the couple terrorists.

Saying Mancow's waterboarding wasn't a "hoax," but more of a "stunt" is like saying he wasn't killed. He was just caused to cease living. Of course, anyone with half a brain who watches the actual footage of what was done to Mancow would know your bullshit attempt to minimize it or dismiss it falls to shit. :roll:

[/quote]

lol - you can cut up my statements all you want but it doesn't change the FACTS.

You post my quote as "but he was not 'waterboarded'" whereas my full quote was "but he was not 'water boarded' - it may have looked like waterboarding but it's not what the CIA did to those couple people." Being a bit dishonest with your hack job on my quote - Hmmm... I think so.

Again - I never agreed nor stated it was a "hoax" so once again your dishonest attempts FAIL.

Wrong- Your analogy is the epitome of FAIL. It's not the similar at all. I stated that it wasn't "waterboarding" like what the CIA/gov't did to the couple of terrorists. Which is absolute FACT based on the FACT the guy had ZERO actually training in it.


So are you finally going to admit you F'd up and let your knee pop? Or are you going to continue with your dishonest BS?

edit - JHC - learn to F'n quote harvey -it's all F'd up.