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I'm a social conservative, Born-Again Christian who believes that the laws should reflect the social mores of Christianity.

I'm also an economic progressive.. The poor should not have more and more disparity with the rich, and everyone should have equally good chance at education *this includes a functional stable home with enough resources to not worry about food clothing or shelter*


So, it seems, Iâ??ve got no ware to go, am I wrong?
 
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Would Christ vote Democrat or Republican?
WWJD?:D

Interesting question but I doubt it's a cut and dry answer. I'm sure there are things Christ would detest on both sides.

CkG
Yep, Iâ??m sure of it as well.. there are some on the left that want to make it child abuse to raise your children believing in God.. while itâ??s also obvious that Jesus calls his followers to be socialists not trying to gain personal wealth but helping others at their own expense.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Would Christ vote Democrat or Republican?
WWJD?:D

Interesting question but I doubt it's a cut and dry answer. I'm sure there are things Christ would detest on both sides.

CkG
Yep, Iâ??m sure of it as well.. there are some on the left that want to make it child abuse to raise your children believing in God.. while itâ??s also obvious that Jesus calls his followers to be socialists not trying to gain personal wealth but helping others at their own expense.
True. However here is how I feel on the issue of "helping others". I try to give of myself and funds to charities and other causes that I feel help those who really need it. Do I feel I do enough? No, there is always room for improvement. However, I feel there is real truth in helping people help themselves. Meaning that we need to help people but it shouldn't be just a handout. Give a man a fish - he is fed for a day, teach a man to fish - he eats for a lifetime. Also there is the situation of forced giving. Wealth redistribution, while necessary, shouldn't be so loaded with governmental bureaucracy that it isn't effective - yet forced on all those who pay taxes. Forced charity is not really charity IMO.

CkG
 
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Wealth redistribution, while necessary, shouldn't be so loaded with governmental bureaucracy that it isn't effective - yet forced on all those who pay taxes. Forced charity is not really charity IMO.
Bureaucracy is a problem, which is why we need things to be more on the state and local level.

I guess i figure it's not forced charity unless you vote against it :)


but i agree with what you are saying about helping others help themselves.. as long as that's what we are doing, and itâ??s something we can do :)
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Would Christ vote Democrat or Republican?
WWJD?:D

Interesting question but I doubt it's a cut and dry answer. I'm sure there are things Christ would detest on both sides.

CkG
Yep, Iâ??m sure of it as well.. there are some on the left that want to make it child abuse to raise your children believing in God.. while itâ??s also obvious that Jesus calls his followers to be socialists not trying to gain personal wealth but helping others at their own expense.
True. However here is how I feel on the issue of "helping others". I try to give of myself and funds to charities and other causes that I feel help those who really need it. Do I feel I do enough? No, there is always room for improvement. However, I feel there is real truth in helping people help themselves. Meaning that we need to help people but it shouldn't be just a handout. Give a man a fish - he is fed for a day, teach a man to fish - he eats for a lifetime. Also there is the situation of forced giving. Wealth redistribution, while necessary, shouldn't be so loaded with governmental bureaucracy that it isn't effective - yet forced on all those who pay taxes. Forced charity is not really charity IMO.

CkG
i agree with that almost wholeheartedly. it is my belief that if the govt is going to tax its citizens and then redistribute those taxes in the form of welfare to those who are less forturnate, then those who are recieving welfare should also be providing their services to the govt. you know, working for their money, as in like a job ;) but i also believe that welfare should be a crutch that you can lean on for so long, after that they kick you off and you have to go find a real job.
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious Would Christ vote Democrat or Republican?
WWJD?:D Interesting question but I doubt it's a cut and dry answer. I'm sure there are things Christ would detest on both sides. CkG
very true. He'd probably stride into congress and push over the tables of the moneylenders. Metaphorically speaking, of course...
 
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Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious Would Christ vote Democrat or Republican?
WWJD?:D Interesting question but I doubt it's a cut and dry answer. I'm sure there are things Christ would detest on both sides. CkG
very true. He'd probably stride into congress and push over the tables of the moneylenders. Metaphorically speaking, of course...
Jesus is a Righteous BAMF... metaphorically speaking :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I'm a social conservative, Born-Again Christian who believes that the laws should reflect the social mores of Christianity.

I'm also an economic progressive.. The poor should not have more and more disparity with the rich, and everyone should have equally good chance at education *this includes a functional stable home with enough resources to not worry about food clothing or shelter*


So, it seems, Iâ??ve got no ware to go, am I wrong?
What this "Iâ??" stuff?

I'm similar...Don't like abortion, loose life syles, homos, talking back to elders, foul language...generally anything which upsets anyone or the social order. But I also believe in freedom and whos to say my ways better? So Its better not to interfer..just move to a community which reflects your desired social norms and you'll be alright.

As for economics I've seen the more you empower the bottom half they'll spend and improve the economy for everyone...which is generally what happens under progressive leadership...I give 10% to church and never minded taxes...but then I don't care about money pre se...cause I'm happy in a box or in beverly hills and never had want.

Anyway Jesus would have been a socialist. here's a couple good read showing jesus as a flaming liberal...
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleconservative.htm




 

sandorski

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There is Welfare for the poor, but on the flipside you have Welfare for the Rich. To me it's a no-brainer.
 

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It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24)

"If riches increase, set not your heart upon them" (Psalm 62:10)


"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition"(1Timothy 6:9).





Sounds Like Heaven and hell got some rather Finacially drastic Social Engineering going on.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Wealth redistribution, while necessary, shouldn't be so loaded with governmental bureaucracy that it isn't effective - yet forced on all those who pay taxes. Forced charity is not really charity IMO.
Apparently you haven't seen the Medicare bill, Energy bill, or DOD's last authorization . . .
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: sandorski
There is Welfare for the poor, but on the flipside you have Welfare for the Rich. To me it's a no-brainer.
Where have you guys been the AT Experts say that "The Rich are hurting", we don't have Rich people in America anymore. Taxes have eaten them all up according to the Experts in here.

 

alchemize

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Jeebus most definitely would NOT have been a socialist. Forcibly taking from the "rich" and giving to the "poor" was not on his to-do list. If you aren't doing it of your own free will, then it doesn't count.

WWJD? He'd be apolitical. He wouldn't vote. Of course, it would be the end of the world as we know it anyhow cause when the big guy comes all bets are off right?

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Jeebus most definitely would NOT have been a socialist. Forcibly taking from the "rich" and giving to the "poor" was not on his to-do list. If you aren't doing it of your own free will, then it doesn't count.

WWJD? He'd be apolitical. He wouldn't vote. Of course, it would be the end of the world as we know it anyhow cause when the big guy comes all bets are off right?
Nah, he'd invent the Replicator and bring the whole system down!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Wealth redistribution, while necessary, shouldn't be so loaded with governmental bureaucracy that it isn't effective - yet forced on all those who pay taxes. Forced charity is not really charity IMO.
Apparently you haven't seen the Medicare bill, Energy bill, or DOD's last authorization . . .
Apparantly you missed my discusion last night(and on other occasions) about the state of our budget and my thought on the matter.;)

/me leave Dave alone in this thread. You're welcome.

CkG
 

rjain

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LordMagnusKain: So basically, you'd like to force your desires for your ideal society on me? I definitely wouldn't want a society where it is wrong to provide people with what they are willing to work for and to reward people for being willing to work for what society needs. I wouldn't want a society where I am forced to believe in some arbitrary concepts and any dissent with them is forbidden. I have had a better life because I believe that there are no gods because that frees me to be able to learn and understand the universe and how it works. Otherwise, it would be as unknowable as the inner workings of the brain of a Christian fundamentalist. :)

Christianity was basically a rebellion against those who were in authority. The statements quoted simply indicate that they were jealous and angry and wanted to demonize those who didn't work their asses off for the benefit of the lazy. The one thing that I find strange is that they consider knowledge to be the root of all evil, which is a way for those in power to keep their power. I suppose this is in some way consistent because those who gained any little power as a result of this movement didn't want their followers taking that power for themselves. Those in power already obviously did not believe that knowledge is evil, so it would have no effect on them and the "insiders" knew better than to believe what they told their followers to believe.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: miguel
Replicator? For duplicating things? How would that bring everything down?
Walmart, Taco Bell, banks, Merril Lynch, Exxon, and everyone else with something to Sell would have no reason to exist. Except perhaps the atomic component refiners.
 
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Originally posted by: rjain
LordMagnusKain: So basically, you'd like to force your desires for your ideal society on me?
We all vote for the guy we figure is going to bring us to a more ideal society, i don't want to 'repress' you, but I'm not going to vote for someone that wants the opposite of what i believe is a good idea for the nation.

I definitely wouldn't want a society where it is wrong to provide people with what they are willing to work for and to reward people for being willing to work for what society needs.
I believe the market is the best way to settle these things, but i also think people should be able to rely on food, shelter, clothing, equitable education and medical care no matter how bad off they are.

I wouldn't want a society where I am forced to believe in some arbitrary concepts and any dissent with them is forbidden.
freedom of religion IS a protestant Christian principle.
I have had a better life because I believe that there are no gods because that frees me to be able to learn and understand the universe and how it works. Otherwise, it would be as unknowable as the inner workings of the brain of a Christian fundamentalist. :)
The light of the lord casts away what isn't good.. i don't see that as ignorant, i see that as wise.
Christianity was basically a rebellion against those who were in authority. The statements quoted simply indicate that they were jealous and angry and wanted to demonize those who didn't work their asses off for the benefit of the lazy.
please, explain this :)
The one thing that I find strange is that they consider knowledge to be the root of all evil,
no, the choice to go against what you know is wrong is the root of all evil.. not knowledge, action.
I suppose this is in some way consistent because those who gained any little power as a result of this movement didn't want their followers taking that power for themselves.
Odd then this personal relationship with God that requires no church or hierarchy.
Those in power already obviously did not believe that knowledge is evil, so it would have no effect on them and the "insiders" knew better than to believe what they told their followers to believe.
could you exemplify this situation in regards to current political situations?

 

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