Conservative Club For Growth targets GOP

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Yes, we are all partisan here, and proud of it. But as the devil is in the details, it is not always clear which labels we apply to ourselves and to others really mean something.

I am a classical liberal, at times a radical progressive, but am too often mis-characterized as a Republican or a conservative. Thankfully, I am rarely identified as a Democrat. You might be a Trotskyite, but you find yourself as being called a liberal Democrat. You see how that goes!

The Club for Growth goes beyond the labels. They take a look at voting records and policy positions instead of a straight Party label. They look beyond the rhetoric to support candidates that are enthusiastic about fiscal conservatism and seek out candidates that are anti-tax and anti-big government. And they are now looking very closely at the Republican Party.

As we all know, the Republican Party is often held up to be fiscally conservative. Unfortunately, the Republican Party too often tries to be just a little bit smaller than the REALLY BIG ELEPHANT in the room. And that doesn't count for very much and it doesn't win enough votes, as the last few elections have shown.

Club for Growth Policy Goals:

* Making the Bush tax cuts permanent
* Death tax repeal
* Cutting and limiting government spending
* Social Security reform with personal retirement accounts
* Expanding free trade
* Legal reform to end abusive lawsuits
* Replacing the current tax code
* School choice
* Regulatory reform and deregulation

If you find yourself revulsed by the current government policies of big-government redistribution and restrictions on economic freedom, you owe it to yourself to get some relief by joining The Club For Growth (it's free!) and making a contribution to the Club's PAC. Independents are going to be a major force in 2010, and working in concert to make sure the candidates that represent your interests are nominated and elected will put the country back on track for prosperity in 2011.

http://www.clubforgrowth.org

Of course, if you don't believe in the Club for Growth policy goals, but also can't stand either of the major parties, you might find a third party more to your liking here -

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

There are several options even for you unrepentant Stalinists!

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Conservative club targets GOP
By: Jeanne Cummings
POLITICO
November 17, 2009 05:17 AM EST

The Club for Growth’s recent claim to fame — or infamy, for some — has been mixing it up in House Republican primaries by backing conservative candidates running against moderates.

But the anti-tax, anti-big-government group now is positioning itself to be a major 2010 player in Senate races, too, a development likely to cause headaches for both parties.

In Pennsylvania, the club’s former president, former Rep. Pat Toomey, is the runaway favorite for the Republican nomination and has a chance to take on party switcher Sen. Arlen Specter, assuming Specter survives his own Democratic primary challenge from Rep. Joe Sestak.

In September, the club sent letters to all of Specter’s donors encouraging the Republicans who donated before his party switch to ask for refunds. The mailing included a handy draft of a refund request letter.

Based on October financial disclosure records, the club’s mischief has cost Specter about $100,000 in refunds — so far.

In the Florida Republican Senate primary, Club for Growth is backing former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio’s challenge of Gov. Charlie Crist, who has the support of national party leaders but has been dubbed by the club as “one of the worst RINOs in the country” (RINO = Republican In Name Only).

A recent e-mail solicitation for donations sent by Club for Growth President Chris Chocola urged recipients to “Click here to send a message to the Washington establishment by making a contribution to Marco Rubio for Senate today.”

The club is considering an endorsement in the New Hampshire Republican Senate primary and is already contacting potential GOP convention delegates in Utah to air its opposition to Republican Sen. Bob Bennett’s position on some issues.

The club hasn’t endorsed a Utah candidate, but officials are watching the field to see if a viable candidate emerges to run against Bennett, a party leader and a nearly 20-year incumbent, said Mike Connolly, a club spokesman.

To get a sense of just how much clout the Club for Growth has gained at the party leaders’ expense, look to Kentucky and the race to fill the seat of retiring Republican Sen. Jim Bunning.

Both of the leading Senate Republican primary candidates there are vying for the club’s endorsement — and neither wants one from the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

“I think our race is shaping up a lot like the other races: There is a sort of establishment candidate and a conservative who wants to defend a party platform that is against bank bailouts and a lot of the things going on in Washington,” said primary candidate Rand Paul, the son of Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul ofTexas.

Paul, who has been active in Kentucky Taxpayers United, a local fiscal conservative group, said, “We hope we hit a chord” with Club for Growth officials. “I feel we represent the conservative alternative in our primary,” he said, adding that his chief opponent, Trey Grayson, was feted at an NRSC fundraiser in September.

But Nate Hodson, Grayson’s campaign manager, hotly disputed that assessment of the primary.

“There is no establishment candidate in this race. There is no incumbent. We reject the label. We reject it completely. We are not the establishment candidate,” said Hodson.

Grayson has been a member of Club for Growth, Hodson said, and would be “thrilled” to have the endorsement of the group that is “well-known among conservatives as a strong organization that gets behind candidates and helps them win.”

The competition to win the club’s endorsement may surprise some after the organization’s recent, high-profile loss in the New York House special election that led to Democrats taking over a long-held Republican seat.

But the club-led uprising against the party-picked Republican candidate in that race sent a powerful — and intimidating — signal to Washington.

In the days after the election, NRSC Chairman Sen. John Cornyn announced that his committee would no longer get involved in contested primaries — a promise that will give Club for Growth even greater influence.

“That, in our view, was worth the investment” in the New York race, Chocola said in an interview. “Party leaders shouldn’t be picking candidates. We believe that you should let the voters decide.”

The Club for Growth was formed in 1999 with significant backing from Wall Street investors and as a proponent of free enterprise and anti-tax policy. Since then, its backers have expanded to include individual, small and large donors. But, true to its original founding, it is driven by conservative fiscal-policy priorities rather than social issues.

The club engages in politics by airing “issue advocacy” advertising, including a multimillion-dollar advertising blitz this summer opposing the Democrats’ health care reform plans that may have helped prompt Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to abandon bipartisan negotiations on the issue.

It also has a political action committee, which donates and directs contributions to candidates. Because of its tax status, it is unclear how much money the organization has at its disposal, since much of its advocacy is not covered by federal disclosure rules.

Chocola took over the organization earlier this year when Toomey launched his Pennsylvania Senate bid. The ensuing months were good to him, as the club associated itself with the summer’s anti-tax tea party events and saw its membership jump and the rate of donations exceed previous off-year election takes.

In 36 days, the club sunk more than $1 million into the New York congressional special election, and it expects to spend millions in Senate races in which it endorses candidates, officials said.

Club critics say the organization is fostering a civil war within the Republican Party that is purging moderates, driving swing voters away and causing the loss of safe seats, such as New York’s 23rd District.

But a closer inspection of the club’s activities in the past five election cycles shows it has more wins than losses, and it’s been instrumental in getting candidates through both contested primaries and generals.

Among its graduating class: Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) and Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.). All told, the club claims 37 members of Congress who were early recipients of its endorsement.

As for the races club candidates did lose, Chocola notes that the past two cycles have been hard on all Republicans — including him. He lost his Indiana House seat in 2008, flotsam in the Obama presidential wave. “There was a much bigger problem for Republicans than we had anything to do with,” said Chocola.

And for the moderates who fret that the club’s fierce alliance to its anti-tax, free-enterprise, small-government mantra is driving them from the Republican tent? Chocola is unapologetic: “There are certain core things the parties are based on. If you are not in favor of those things, why call yourself a Republican?”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29602.html
 

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lol. You need a fucking hobby.

Nah, I'm working late in putting together a financial analysis and when the spreadsheet starts getting blurry on my 24" monitor, I tab into a text page, which just happens to be P&N right now, for some eye relief.

Multi-tasking, my friend. Multi-damn-tasking.

I'm gonna do another thread right now, but it is the Democrats turn to worry.
 

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your job sucks. but if you want to epeen monitors I run a 25.5" a 20" and 2 19" off a macpro
 

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Club for Growth Policy Goals:

* Making the Bush tax cuts permanent
* Death tax repeal
* Cutting and limiting government spending
* Social Security reform with personal retirement accounts
* Expanding free trade
* Legal reform to end abusive lawsuits
* Replacing the current tax code
* School choice
* Regulatory reform and deregulation

Those are nice ideals, but it's the details that matter. For example, what spending cuts are you going to do without getting half the population up in arms against the other half?
 

JSt0rm

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Those are nice ideals, but it's the details that matter. For example, what spending cuts are you going to do without getting half the population up in arms against the other half?

neocons dont cut spending they just cut taxes. you know this :biggrin:
 

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your job sucks. but if you want to epeen monitors I run a 25.5" a 20" and 2 19" off a macpro

It's my home configuration - a single SOYO Topaz S 24" running 1920X1200 resolution. At the office I use two of them, but I usually have streaming news and tickers on one. Used to have three but it started looking like a trading desk so I gave one to my AA once she promised to learn how to make real espresso.

Time to check out for the night! I'm off to dream a bit about the Beaujolais nouveau I'm expected to sample tomorrow. Oh, the Humanity!
 

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It's my home configuration - a single SOYO Topaz S 24" running 1920X1200 resolution. At the office I use two of them, but I usually have streaming news and tickers on one. Used to have three but it started looking like a trading desk so I gave one to my AA once she promised to learn how to make real espresso.

Time to check out for the night! I'm off to dream a bit about the Beaujolais nouveau I'm expected to sample tomorrow. Oh, the Humanity!

I make my own espresso. Hand lever press is the best. Use a constant force. Also make sure your bean is vacuum sealed to prevent oxidation. Sometimes I sip my espresso as I stroll through the heavily manicured gardens surrounding my work. They are lovely at this time of year.

I prefer American wines like Manfred's sine qua non. I don't like all the trappings that the french put on there wines. To me Manfred is the embodiment of a true wine maker unafraid to take the very best from all over the west coast and blend.

http://www.vinfolio.com/do/winestore/listing?gclid=CJ_ensD-k54CFRgbawodiDZ2oQ

if you dare pjabber. I recommend "just for the love of it" - a syrah. you seem to like lighter 1 dimensional white wines and while manfred would never produce something along these lines you might enjoy "albino" 2001. They took a chance with the noble rot and it payed off - lots of wonderfully rich truffle. Sadly its getting a little long in the tooth (being a 2001 and all)
 
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The Illiterati has spoken!

A minor extract from Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Modern classical liberals trace their ideology to ancient Greece, the Roman republic and the Renaissance. They cite the 16th century School of Salamanca in Spain as a precursor, with its emphasis on human rights and popular sovereignty, its belief that morality need not be grounded in religion, and its moral defense of commerce. Other Renaissance thinkers such as Erasmus and Niccolò Machiavelli represent the rise of humanism in place of the religious tradition of the Middle Ages. Rationalist philosophers of the 17th Century, such as Thomas Hobbes and Baruch Spinoza developed further ideas that would become important to liberalism, such as the social contract. However, liberalism's classic formulation came in The Age of Enlightenment. John Locke's Two Treatises of Government argued that legitimate authority depended on the consent of the governed, while Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations rejected mercantilism, which advocated state interventionism in the economy and protectionism, and developed modern free-market economics. These early liberals saw mercantilism as enriching privileged elites at the expense of well being of the populace. Another early expression is the tradition of a Nordic school of liberalism set in motion by a Finnish parliamentarian Anders Chydenius.

Classical liberalism places a particular emphasis on the sovereignty of the individual, with private property rights being seen as essential to individual liberty. This forms the philosophical basis for laissez-faire public policy. The ideology of the original classical liberals argued against direct democracy "for there is nothing in the bare idea of majority rule to show that majorities will always respect the rights of property or maintain rule of law." For example, James Madison argued for a constitutional republic with protections for individual liberty, over a pure democracy, reasoning that in a pure democracy, a "common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole...and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party...."

According to Anthony Quinton, classical liberals believe that "an unfettered market" is the most efficient mechanism to satisfy human needs and channel resources to their most productive uses: they "are more suspicious than conservatives of all but the most minimal government."

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government. Thomas Jefferson called these inalienable rights: "...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." For classical liberalism, rights are of a negative nature—rights that require that other individuals (and governments) refrain from interfering with individual liberty, whereas social liberalism (also called modern liberalism or welfare liberalism) holds that individuals have a right to be provided with certain benefits or services by others. Unlike social liberals, classical liberals are "hostile to the welfare state." They do not have an interest in material equality but only in "equality before the law." Classical liberalism is critical of social liberalism and takes offense at group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights.

Much better reading on classical liberalism can be found here -

http://www.radicalacademy.com/philclassliberalism.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/whatisclassicalliberalism.pdf

A history -

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0892c.asp

A reading guide for when you learn to read -

http://osf1.gmu.edu/~ihs/guide.html
 

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I make my own espresso. Hand lever press is the best. Use a constant force. Also make sure your bean is vacuum sealed to prevent oxidation. Sometimes I sip my espresso as I stroll through the heavily manicured gardens surrounding my work. They are lovely at this time of year.

I prefer American wines like Manfred's sine qua non. I don't like all the trappings that the french put on there wines. To me Manfred is the embodiment of a true wine maker unafraid to take the very best from all over the west coast and blend.

http://www.vinfolio.com/do/winestore/listing?gclid=CJ_ensD-k54CFRgbawodiDZ2oQ

if you dare pjabber. I recommend "just for the love of it" - a syrah. you seem to like lighter 1 dimensional white wines and while manfred would never produce something along these lines you might enjoy "albino" 2001. They took a chance with the noble rot and it payed off - lots of wonderfully rich truffle. Sadly its getting a little long in the tooth (being a 2001 and all)

I have been indulging in espresso for as long as I can remember! A poor American on my first work assignment in Paris, I flew in at an ungodly early hour and parked myself in a 24-hour cafe in Saint-Germain-des-Prés. By the time the sun had risen I had consumed no less than five bols of café crème and ten croissants au beurre and was hooked. Of course, I did not sleep for two days and it wasn't just the jet lag.

Lever machines are fun but require dedication for consistency and are too slow for entertaining. I've gone Spanish in my equipment - an Expobar Pulser HX machine, Cunhill Tranquilo grinder - and can produce magnificent cups. I use a variety of whole beans to be sure, but Intelligentsia's Black Cat is a regular. George Howell's Terroir selections always pique my curiosity.

You dog! Are you on Manfred and Elaine's mailing list? You are not just pulling my leg here, are you? I don't like spending that kind of money myself, but I wouldn't mind a taste! A white Rhône style, particularly something like the Albino, should not have truffle, though. It might be getting corked with the passage of time. Red Rhône's might have this taste element, though it is usually more of an earthiness in body and texture.

I've had plenty of Syrah and have particularly enjoyed exploring the vineyards around Melbourne in doing so. Honestly, the trockenbeerenauslese category has always been more of a phase for me, though my wife particularly enjoys these types of sweeter wine. She has built her own collection of eiswein so I do sample the sweet stuff once in a while.

Tonight I am heading to Bistrot Du Coin for dinner with a few of my friends and the release of Beaujolais primeur at midnight. It won't be like getting the stuff from a barrel in Lyon, but last year it was one of the best parties of the year around here and I expect it will be the same again this evening. I doubt I will do more than sip the plonk and will opt for a Morgon or Fleurie instead to keep in the Beaujolais mind set.

Cheers!
 

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Ignore works wonders for douchebag posters like the OP is...

But then you will miss my pithy comments!

Ignoring the opposition is like talking to a mirror. You will always get agreement, but the conversation goes nowhere. In the end, you will find madness.
 

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But then you will miss my pithy comments!

Ignoring the opposition is like talking to a mirror. You will always get agreement, but the conversation goes nowhere. In the end, you will find madness.

So that explains a lot......
 

JSt0rm

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You dog! Are you on Manfred and Elaine's mailing list? You are not just pulling my leg here, are you? I don't like spending that kind of money myself, but I wouldn't mind a taste! A white Rhône style, particularly something like the Albino, should not have truffle, though. It might be getting corked with the passage of time. Red Rhône's might have this taste element, though it is usually more of an earthiness in body and texture.

You say should not as if there are rules :) No, noble rot will impart these flavor notes onto the grape and into the wine. It is desired and in France is "allowed" for white bordeaux - Sauternes (a king like the flavor so he named it noble rot so they could keep it on the vines). Truffle and corked are very different my friend :) a hint of moldy cardboard vs a wonderfully complex flavor that can hold your attention for days? Like I said though almost 10 years in the bottle for a white is getting a bit much so I would expect the wine to be losing complexity at this point. I drank my last bottle of the albino 2 years ago :)

http://micheleroohani.com/blog/2009/10/25/noble-rot-the-liquid-gold-of-sauternes/
 

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You say should not as if there are rules :) No, noble rot will impart these flavor notes onto the grape and into the wine. It is desired and in France is "allowed" for white bordeaux - Sauternes (a king like the flavor so he named it noble rot so they could keep it on the vines). Truffle and corked are very different my friend :) a hint of moldy cardboard vs a wonderfully complex flavor that can hold your attention for days? Like I said though almost 10 years in the bottle for a white is getting a bit much so I would expect the wine to be losing complexity at this point. I drank my last bottle of the albino 2 years ago :)

http://micheleroohani.com/blog/2009/10/25/noble-rot-the-liquid-gold-of-sauternes/

True, I should not use the word "should" as there is almost an infinite number of taste notes to be had, which is what makes wine a delightful pastime.

Wines derived from grapes with botrytis cinerea picked with care are almost always special, but their concentrated sweetness and luscious fruit reserves along with their price, especially in the likes of a Château d’Yqem, calls for special occasions.

It is also a generational thing and I may too often gravitate toward the dry end of the spectrum, while still pining for the intensity of something like a La Tâche Grand Cru. I admit that I need to think twice to include any Sauternes in my monthly foray of shopping, especially as I am mostly resident in the US and not in France. However, this is easily corrected!
 

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True, I should not use the word "should" as there is almost an infinite number of taste notes to be had, which is what makes wine a delightful pastime.

Wines derived from grapes with botrytis cinerea picked with care are almost always special, but their concentrated sweetness and luscious fruit reserves along with their price, especially in the likes of a Château d’Yqem, calls for special occasions.

It is also a generational thing and I may too often gravitate toward the dry end of the spectrum, while still pining for the intensity of something like a La Tâche Grand Cru. I admit that I need to think twice to include any Sauternes in my monthly foray of shopping, especially as I am mostly resident in the US and not in France. However, this is easily corrected!

ahh but they don't HAVE to be sweet :) Through master blending you can pull the flavors needed without the sweetness. Icewines are nice on occasion but I couldn't imagine drinking an entire bottle - way to much sugar.

I'm sure you enjoy Chablis (proper Chablis) but I find these wines boring at best. Very dry stainless steel is not for me. I want subtle complexity and depth in anything i drink. I think noble rot provides this in the white wines I select. I don't look for sugars.

I've had very expensive french reds and they just don't do it for me. I would rather have a equal priced california red (Screaming eagle, grace family, amuse bouche) Given time to mature these wines are head and shoulders above the french classics (Peterus, Rothschild).

Of course this probably falls in line with who we are. I wear beat up converse and Japanese selvedge denim to work and you wear dockers and tassle leather loafers. You listen to a McIntosh sound system and I listen to a optical out on my macpro going to a banchmark dac >bryston amps>adam speakers.

conservative elite? Liberal elite?
 

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* Making the Bush tax cuts permanent
I would love to pay less taxes, but the cuts are not responsible to have until after the national debt is paid off. Over the short term, lower taxes will help keep the economy afloat (similar to how the deficit spending has been helpful.) A better solution is to add more tax brackets, and tax the very extreme of the top bracket more than currently, and to also increase the taxes at the very bottom. Like ... make a bracket for "anything over 1 million" and a bracket for "anything over 10 million" .... tax 59% of anything over 1 1 million, and then 69% of anything over 10 million. Probably won't amount to much, as those guys have tons of write offs and loopholes anyhow ..... but it'll maybe bring them closer to paying approx the same % of their income as somebody who makes 100K and is middle class. Anyhow, this way, "everybody contributes." And, maybe that will help the "poor" care more about how the money gets spent. (maybe there would be less single issue voters too)

* Death tax repeal
I think the death tax should be higher. That way, a lot less "old money" will sit around and it will encourage spending. If grandma's gonna die, she may as well die poor since if she dies rich, it won't help her family anyhow.

* Cutting and limiting government spending
This is good, but pretty much the only people who have any say in it are the people who have giant budgets for campaigning, and campaign spending goes up every year. If campaign spending doesn't go down, why do you think honestly that any politician will actually follow through and cut out wasted spending.

* Social Security reform with personal retirement accounts
Social Security is a saftey net. It shouldn't be anybody's primary retirement account. Set the age at which SS benefits kick in to 70 or 75 years. Also, don't make people fully "vested" to recieve full benefits until after they've been in the work force for 50 years. That way you have less people who worked for like 20 years living off of the fat of the land for like 30-40 years in their old age.

* Expanding free trade
As long as our trading partners have similar standards. For example, we shouldn't trade with a country that doesn't have the same sort of safety standards/quality control standards that we have. Also, we should only trade if it will be mutually beneficial to both countries as a whole over the long term.

* Legal reform to end abusive lawsuits
Tort reform is much needed. I agree 100% with you on this point.

* Replacing the current tax code
Details? I agree right now a lot needs to be done, but I'm pretty sure I'll be close to 100% in disagreement with you ;)

* School choice

* Regulatory reform and deregulation
In general, we need more clear and precise regulation. In some cases though , I can see there as being too many regulations making the cost of doing business too high. For example, there are too many rules for strip clubs and the regulations against prostitution are excessive.


note: very little thought was put into this, but I think I have a pretty decent comprehension of economics.
 

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ahh but they don't HAVE to be sweet :) Through master blending you can pull the flavors needed without the sweetness. Icewines are nice on occasion but I couldn't imagine drinking an entire bottle - way to much sugar.

I'm sure you enjoy Chablis (proper Chablis) but I find these wines boring at best. Very dry stainless steel is not for me. I want subtle complexity and depth in anything i drink. I think noble rot provides this in the white wines I select. I don't look for sugars.

I've had very expensive french reds and they just don't do it for me. I would rather have a equal priced california red (Screaming eagle, grace family, amuse bouche) Given time to mature these wines are head and shoulders above the french classics (Peterus, Rothschild).

Of course this probably falls in line with who we are. I wear beat up converse and Japanese selvedge denim to work and you wear dockers and tassle leather loafers. You listen to a McIntosh sound system and I listen to a optical out on my macpro going to a banchmark dac >bryston amps>adam speakers.

conservative elite? Liberal elite?

Expensive wine is a luxury, not a necessity for me. I would not turn my nose up at any tasting offers of a Petrus Pomerol if it is your shout. I have been drinking a variety of Spanish wine after recent trips to Madrid, Barcelona and Zaragoza where decent bottles can be had for as little as five euros. I also am going through recent purchases of surprisingly good local Virgina wine and not so surprisingly good Northwest pinot noirs.

Fashion is not voluntarily my thing but I sometimes have to conform. I usually prefer Lee jeans and one of the free polo shirts I keep getting, but my work colleagues prefer Super 150's Italian suits with regimental ties while I opt for Jerry Garcia a lot. Suits are a bane of the upper corporate echelons in traditional companies here and overseas. If I am going to a rough part of the world I usually just buy surplus stuff there to blend in better. It's cheaper, too. I don't rely on local markets (except in Europe) for body armor and other security products if I think I really need them as you really need to get the fit right.

I've listened to McIntosh, but as a fan of Bob Carver I mostly prefer Sunfire paired with Dynaudio. The weak part of your system, if any, would seem to be the Mac Pro, unless you are using it primarily as a DAW. I like the amp/pre-amp choices and Adam has done a great job with their nearfield and midfield studio monitors, but I haven't kept up with their home line enough to know for sure if those translate as well.

Enough of the idle chatting, though. The mods might think I am hijacking my own thread!

Have you signed up for the Club For Growth?
 

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the macpro is digital so it has no effect on quality.

and

Home audio doesn't need to translate like studio monitors - you aren't looking for problems you are looking for enjoyment :)
 

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I can buy some aspects of GOP, Libertarian, and democratic dogma. None of them are purely right or purely wrong, but still, the sum total must add up to good governance.

Tell me again PJABBER, why should I believe in Club GOP when they uttered not a peep when GWB&Co were leading us astray.

Sorry, Club GOP sounds more like a collection of revision clueless historians than a viable movement. And from my standpoint, I did not believe them before, why should we believe them now?
 

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I can buy some aspects of GOP, Libertarian, and democratic dogma. None of them are purely right or purely wrong, but still, the sum total must add up to good governance.

Tell me again PJABBER, why should I believe in Club GOP when they uttered not a peep when GWB&Co were leading us astray.

Sorry, Club GOP sounds more like a collection of revision clueless historians than a viable movement. And from my standpoint, I did not believe them before, why should we believe them now?

Jut because you have not heard of them does not mean that they were not active since being founded in 1999. Where do you get the idea that they are historians?

You can get an idea of how they determine and organize target support by reading their FAQ here -

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/aboutus/?subsec=0&id=17#C1

A brief summary of their activities, successes and failures can be found at Wiki -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_for_Growth

If you read the text you will find that they support or act to defeat both Democrats and Republicans as they are a very issue oriented organization and the Party affiliation is not a major factor. Totaling up the numbers you can see they both support and work against Republicans primarily, but that might be more a function of choosing battlegrounds where they believe they will be able to influence the outcome in a general election as well as in a primary. They definitely challenged a number of candidates endorsed by Bush, who was the leader of the Republican Party, like Obama is the current leader of the Democrat Party, and as such almost always support the Party incumbent over a challenger.

One cautionary note - on September 19, 2005, acting on a complaint by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Federal Election Commission filed suit against the Club for Growth for violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act for failing to register as a political action committee in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 congressional elections. In September, 2007 the Club for Growth agreed to pay $350000 in civil penalties. The agreement, if approved by a federal judge, would mark the end of the lawsuit.

So, they were active in vetting candidates, but did not believe they were acting specifically as a PAC. Now they have a PAC so that they can apply the funds they raise in furtherance of their goals and all is well in the lawyerly world we inhabit.

I happen to agree in principle with their goals, they usually are pretty good in identifying state and national candidates who are worth supporting as well as discarding, and they can leverage their PAC funds toward the most important races.
 
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