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Conservative Christian Fascism infiltrating television and stomping free speech

Phokus

Lifer
Apparently, the 'esteemed' Reverend Falwell (you know, the guy who blames gays and abortionists for the 9/11 attacks) thinks that this guy, Randy Smith, is a 'hero' for pulling a show on his local television station because of homosexual innuendo. I especially love this quote:



<< I think you can see now why I believe Randy
Smith is a hero. He was willing to take a stand
and to stand alone.
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Right, a manager of a television station who pulled a show with a slight bit of homosexual content (i saw the show... a 1 second kiss between two girls is hardly 'shocking') in a conservative area of the country hardly qualifies someone to be a 'hero'.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26861



<< There is a hero that attends my Thomas Road
Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Va. His name is
Randy Smith. Let me tell you about him.

On March 11, Randy Smith, who is president of
WSET, our ABC affiliate, chose to pre-empt an
episode of the drama "Once and Again," after
learning that it would contain a kiss between
two teenage girls and examine a burgeoning
relationship between a female high school
student and her male drama teacher.

Amazingly, he was the only manager in the
nation to pull the plug on the broadcast.

Predictably, an immediate outcry went out from
homosexual-rights organizations. The Gay &
Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation accused
WSET of rejecting the episode "apparently
because of a storyline involving gay and lesbian
themes."

But Randy Smith said nothing could be further
from the truth.

"If we made these decisions based solely on
homosexual content, we'd have major holes in
our schedule," he said. "There were a lot of
factors that came into play ? the number-one
thing being the issue of minors being involved
in a homosexual situation, and also the issue of
the female student and her male teacher."

It's not like Smith banned every
homosexual-themed broadcast from his station.
In fact, this marked the first time WSET had
refused to air an ABC show because of content.
The station aired the high-profile coming out
episode of "Ellen," and airs other ABC series
featuring prominent homosexual characters,
including "Spin City" and "NYPD Blue."

But GLAAD officials were unwilling to accept
Mr. Smith's decision to pre-empt the broadcast.
Interestingly, GLAAD was even critical of ABC's
decision to attach a broadcast warning to
parents, which read: "Due to Adult Subject
Matter, Parental Discretion Is Advised."

"There is nothing in this episode that could be
construed as sexually explicit or inappropriate
for family audiences," GLAAD protested. "If this
episode had featured Jessie sharing a first kiss
with a boy, no parental advisory would have
been posted. This inappropriate double
standard inaccurately suggests that gay and
lesbian content is by definition 'adult subject
matter.'"

Critics of Randy Smith's decision have charged
that it was a decision motivated by "hate" ? a
familiar theme of homosexual-rights leaders
who habitually attempt to stigmatize their
adversaries. But Randy said those who make
this shallow charge are the actual "hate
mongers" because they maintain an insensitivity
toward people who hold sincere concerns about
consequential moral issues. Indeed, anyone
willing to inspect the reasoning behind Mr.
Smith's decision can see that he made it after
much deliberation and out of concern for his
community, not from a perspective of animosity
toward homosexuals.

I think you can see now why I believe Randy
Smith is a hero. He was willing to take a stand
and to stand alone. The tragedy is that every
other ABC TV station chief in our nation
apparently believes that it is appropriate for
network shows to explore relations between
adults and teens and homosexuality among
youths.

ABC's "Once and Again" will no doubt continue
to examine the teen characters' blossoming
relationships. I am encouraging people to stay
abreast of the show's development of these
sexual themes and to courteously let the
network and their local ABC affiliates know that
they object to this type of content. (GLAAD is
encouraging their supporters to contact ABC to
thank the network for the broadcast, so it is
important that we counter their efforts.)
Communications to ABC may be sent through
the following venues:

Lloyd Braun
Chairman, ABC Entertainment TV Group
500 S. Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA 91521
Phone: (818) 460-7777
E-mail: netaudr@ABC.com
>>



 
doesnt take much to be a hero
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<< That's the free speech of Falwell and Smith at work...They're allowed to use the 1st amendment too 😉 >>



Well, i never said they shouldn't express their views, but they better be prepared to be called 'morons' by the rest of the country 😉
 


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<< That's the free speech of Falwell and Smith at work...They're allowed to use the 1st amendment too 😉 >>



Well, i never said they shouldn't express their views, but they better be prepared to be called 'morons' by the rest of the country 😉
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🙂
 


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<< That's the free speech of Falwell and Smith at work...They're allowed to use the 1st amendment too 😉 >>



Well, i never said they shouldn't express their views, but they better be prepared to be called 'morons' by the rest of the country 😉
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<sarcasm>What would we do without you Phokus? You are a real champion for the people...</sarcasm>
 


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<< That's the free speech of Falwell and Smith at work...They're allowed to use the 1st amendment too 😉 >>



Well, i never said they shouldn't express their views, but they better be prepared to be called 'morons' by the rest of the country 😉
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<sarcasm>What would we do without you Phokus? You are a real champion for the people...</sarcasm>
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i guess we would just call them morons without him?
 
Between the religious psychosis types and the biological anomalies that run/write the TV biz these days none of it is worth watching. And that's why the ratings are droping like a rock. Many people don't bother watching the mental masterbation called TV. Tis a bore. I'll watch a movie of my choice, tape or dvd. But never randomly sit down and surf the chans.any more.
 


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<< That's the free speech of Falwell and Smith at work...They're allowed to use the 1st amendment too 😉 >>


Well, i never said they shouldn't express their views, but they better be prepared to be called 'morons' by the rest of the country 😉
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Heh...Remember, the law can't force you to sell anything...gay porn, new Coke, TV shows, "abortion pills," etc.
 
I would rather we disect his views and determine what is wrong with them than call him a moron. There was a rather interesting article on PBS last night about sex in middle schools, pregnancy etc. Maybe if you plot a course as to where we're headed, what new areas of human potential for deviation we will explore next to sell product and attract viewership, may be we'll be able to watch ten year olds doing it on cable in a few years. If you don't like the restraint imposed by religious 'nuts' what form of restraint would you prefer. Alot of the rest of the world already feels they are being pulled down the sewer by our culture as it is. Maybe we can mobalize the world to put on our brakes.

"I just want to be free. I don't want anybody telling me what I can watch or not watch. I don't give a fig what impact what I create has on the youth of my culture. I have a God given right to make money any way I want."

Day by day, with the garbage we watch, we continue to diminish the already enormously diminished psyche of modern man.

 
every tv concept and many of the scripts are run by GLAAD for approval, but when a conservative does the deciding its censorship and stomping free speech, which only the gov't is barred from doing in the first place.
 


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<< Amazingly, he was the only manager in the nation to pull the plug on the broadcast. >>

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Why so amazing? This was harmless..

Someone in this thread mentioned that "American culture is pulling other cultures down the tubes" or something like that. American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. If you don't like American culture, perhaps you should leave the US and move to Saudi Arabia... (that will teach you all about intolerance)
 
Dear Astaroth33, I notice you don't have a profile and quote a non American news source, so I'm going to assume that your ignorance of American culture, so ably demonstrated by me, namely the right to criticize in any way I see fit, the culture to which I belong, as a duty of citizenship, and an obligation of every intellighent and not so intelligent American embodied in the notion of participatory democracy, is the result of the fact that you are not an American.

No real American ever suggests to anybody that they move elsewhere if they have a criticism to make of the country. It's what makes us great. You fail to understand that from great there is even greater.

And I can learn all I need to know about intolerance right here from people like you. 😀

Maybe it would help you to know that I am a liberal, hate sensorship, and don't belong to a religious group. I think sex sells and for a sale are ruining the lives of children. Since I reject Falwell's solution I would like to hear another or does anything go?
 


<< American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. >>


Heroin addiction is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it.

😉
 


<< Someone in this thread mentioned that "American culture is pulling other cultures down the tubes" or something like that. American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. If you don't like American culture, perhaps you should leave the US and move to Saudi Arabia... (that will teach you all about intolerance) >>



I?m not a religious nut and I?m very tolerant of other people?s life styles. What adults do in their own bedrooms at night is not something I worry about, but the junk that?s been spewing out of television sets for the past decade or two has been causing damage to our youth. If it weren?t for some cable channels like Discovery, History and the Speed Channel I wouldn?t even watch my TV. I switched on MTV for a few minutes the other day and thought they should change it to the How to get drunk and laid channel. I see American Pop Culture as a rock band it?s all Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll, I?m just waiting for the Behind the music on it. 🙁
 


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<< American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. >>


Heroin addiction is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it.

😉
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So "American culture" = "heroin addiction"? Do we need to ban McDonalds, Macy's, and Coca-Cola, and put everyone in the U.S. on methadone? 😀
 


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<< American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. >>


Heroin addiction is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it.

😉
>>



So "American culture" = "heroin addiction"? Do we need to ban McDonalds, Macy's, and Coca-Cola, and put everyone in the U.S. on methadone? 😀
>>


Well, in a way.... 😉
 
Astaroth33 Why not get in the real discussion. You asked a question. Elledan exposed it as rather shallow and you respond as if he were equating all American culture to heroin. If I wanted to play that game I would retort that you are obviously a drug dealer trying to protect his business. Well I'm right now, aren't I? Yes clearly you are a drug dealer.
 
It's nice to see some non-Religious based people stepping forward and espouse some of the same beleifs that I have about the degradation of our society by the normalization of promiscuity.

I have a 13 year old daughter and it's getting harder and harder to find acceptable clothing for her. Go into Penney's or Hechts (May Co.) or the like and you'll find the teen clothing section full of VERY low riding hip huggers, scanty shorts, low cut and string tops... and then they wonder why teen pregnancy is up! You take a well endowed 12 or 13 year old and dress her up like a steet walker, teach her (and the boys) the morals of today's TV by indoctrinating them what is "normal and acceptable" by the media's standards and then wonder why we have 13 year olds having babies and more and more teens deciding that they are homosexual (also covered by today's TV).

It's a constant battle to help the kids understand that what they see around them is NOT the way things should be. For the younger people reading this, you have a mixed blessing.... when I was in Kindergarten, we had a (one) black kid in our class and that was a BIG deal... my kids don't understand what segregation is because they've never seen it and we don't teach race/sex/age/religion/national origin as being a basis for considering yourself better or worse than anyone else.... so you, and my children don't know what it is like to live in a racially segregated society and that is a good thing. OTOH, because most of your life you've seen MTV and the like, normalizing all sorts of behaviour that really isn't acceptable, you also don't know what it's like to live in a society with the idea that we all give up some freedoms for the sake of the greater good, as opposed to the current viewpoint that as long as you're not immediatly and physically hurting someone everything is permissible and all rights go to the individual.

The problem is, that once you travel down a more liberal road, it's almost impossible to go back again if you find that the road is a wrong path. This was even taught to us when I was an NCO in the Army... we were told to ALWAYS be a total hardcore disciplinarian when taking over a new group of soldiers, and as they conformed and showed that they were capable of toeing the line, that you could relax the strictness some.... OTOH, they also taught us that if we took charge of a group of soldiers and we were lax in the beggining that it would be almost impossible to later demand true disciplie because we would be battling human nature. I've seen it happen in small units of people (12 to 150) and I've no doubt that it works on large societies in just the same way.

Joe
 


<< Dear Astaroth33, I notice you don't have a profile and quote a non American news source, so I'm going to assume that your ignorance of American culture, so ably demonstrated by me, namely the right to criticize in any way I see fit, the culture to which I belong, as a duty of citizenship, and an obligation of every intellighent and not so intelligent American embodied in the notion of participatory democracy, is the result of the fact that you are not an American. >>



I am from San Jose, CA, and have lived here all of my 33 years.. You assume that because I quote a non-American news source (the BBC is hardly Anti-Western, and is apparently regarded as being somewhat more non-biased than CNN, et al.) and don't have a profile, that I am not from the US? That's a rather shallow assumption..



<< No real American ever suggests to anybody that they move elsewhere if they have a criticism to make of the country. It's what makes us great. You fail to understand that from great there is even greater.

And I can learn all I need to know about intolerance right here from people like you. 😀
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So you're saying that I'm intolerant, and because I am intolerant I must therefore not be a real American? Quick, notify Joseph McCarthy (or John Ashcroft), so that I can be put under surveillance and be deported as a potential terrorist!



<< Maybe it would help you to know that I am a liberal, hate sensorship, and don't belong to a religious group. I think sex sells and for a sale are ruining the lives of children. Since I reject Falwell's solution I would like to hear another or does anything go? >>



My suggestion to leave the country and move to Saudi Arabia (complete with story link from a completely "Un-American" news source not approved by one such as yourself) is an allegory representing my belief that the American culture (Western culture in general) is by far the most tolerant and enlightened way of life presently available on the planet. Apparently the reference went over your head because you perhaps didn't read the article to which I had linked?

I believe that Jerry Falwell (and people of his ilk) is a whacko and deserves no serious credence. While I don't categorize myself as a liberal (or a conservative, for that matter), I definitely do not believe in censorship (or sensorship, for that matter), and have no moral problem with the tv show "Once and Again".
 


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<< American culture is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it. >>


Heroin addiction is infectuous, which means that when others are exposed to it, they like it. How is this bad? If you like something, you generally want more of it.

😉
>>



So "American culture" = "heroin addiction"? Do we need to ban McDonalds, Macy's, and Coca-Cola, and put everyone in the U.S. on methadone? 😀
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Well, in a way.... 😉
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Explain, please.. I am interested to hear your ideas (and I am not criticizing your attitude, I am genuinely interested, particularly after reading Netopia's post)..
 
Maybe if you plot a course as to where we're headed, what new areas of human potential for deviation we will explore next to sell product and attract viewership, may be we'll be able to watch ten year olds doing it on cable in a few years. If you don't like the restraint imposed by religious 'nuts' what form of restraint would you prefer.

One form of fanatical extremism doesn't successfully counterbalance the other. It doesn't work that way - in fact, the religious rights implausible and outrageous stances often repulse the moderate and consequently help steer him or her to nihilism.
 
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