Consequence of attacks on Planned Parenthood. HIV outbreak!

[SMOGZINN]

Here is something that should come to no surprise to anyone.

If we make it harder to do X, then people will be less likely to do X.

If you want to reduce the amount of new HIV cases, your make HIV testing and prevention resources easily available. Make these resources harder to get, and you get more new cases.

This is a really simple concept. We can talk about ideology, and we can talk about where the money is coming from, and we can talk about all sorts of things, but at the end of the day we have to ask ourselves which of these two events do we want to happen, more HIV cases or less? We have seen how the Conservatives has voted.

 

[BoberFett]

Given this extremely simplistic logic

If we make it harder to do X, then people will be less likely to do X.

is there anything that the government shouldn't provide? Food, shelter, clothing. All of it is hard to get if you don't want to work for it. Should the government provide everything to everybody, cradle to grave?

The cost of free condoms on the US budget is like pissing in the ocean, but let's be clear about our reasoning.

 

[Jhhnn]

Given this extremely simplistic logic



is there anything that the government shouldn't provide? Food, shelter, clothing. All of it is hard to get if you don't want to work for it. Should the government provide everything to everybody, cradle to grave?

The cost of free condoms on the US budget is like pissing in the ocean, but let's be clear about our reasoning.

What's this "don't want to work for it"?

Illustrate a surplus of job openings for working class skills & you might have a point. Otherwise, you're just stroking the erroneous zones of your fellow travelers.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Given this extremely simplistic logic



is there anything that the government shouldn't provide? Food, shelter, clothing. All of it is hard to get if you don't want to work for it. Should the government provide everything to everybody, cradle to grave?

The cost of free condoms on the US budget is like pissing in the ocean, but let's be clear about our reasoning.

The reasoning is very simple, do we as a society want to prevent this or not? If so we provide it, if not we don't.
So, do we want to prevent:
Starvation? If yes we provide food.
Homelessness? If yes we provide shelter.
Nakedness? If so we provide clothing.

Any questions?

 

[BoberFett]

The reasoning is very simple, do we as a society want to prevent this or not? If so we provide it, if not we don't.
So, do we want to prevent:
Starvation? If yes we provide food.
Homelessness? If yes we provide shelter.
Nakedness? If so we provide clothing.

Any questions?

I get none of those things for free. Why not?

 

[JSt0rm]

I get none of those things for free. Why not?

Because in capitalism there are winners and losers and you are considered a winner?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I get none of those things for free. Why not?

You have ample access to all of them. Quit your job, and become homeless, clothless, and starving, and you will get them. But you know that, you just don't want to.

So, the reason you don't get them for free is you don't want what someone else will give you. You want to choose what shelter, food, and clothing you get.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, the reason you don't get them for free is you don't want what someone else will give you. You want to choose what shelter, food, and clothing you get.

And likely more lucky than good at doing so. I certainly have been when I think about it at all.

 

[rudeguy]

And likely more lucky than good at doing so. I certainly have been when I think about it at all.

You aren't kidding man.

But for the Grace of God. ...

 

[JSt0rm]

You aren't kidding man.

But for the Grace of God. ...

Im more amazed at your ability to stay employed and jab it up on anandtech all day

 

[rudeguy]

Im more amazed at your ability to stay employed and jab it up on anandtech all day

LOL

my job is mostly in front of the computer and I usually don't have a ton of work. Lately I'm trying to figure out the drone stuff which is mostly watching youtube videos and cussing about missing parts.

But tomorrow I could get shipped off to some God forsaken city for weeks to do God knows what. It's basically feast or famine where I work.

 

[Jhhnn]

You aren't kidding man.

But for the Grace of God. ...

How then can you support the judgmental bullshit directed against those who are merely less fortunate?

 

[rudeguy]

How then can you support the judgmental bullshit directed against those who are merely less fortunate?

I support helping people. It's the old give a man a fish thing. I don't support supporting millions of people just because they don't want to work.

I'd vote 99 out of 99 times in favor of racking up trillions in debt to get people job training and programs to help pay businesses to train people. Most people just need one break.

 

[JSt0rm]

I support helping people. It's the old give a man a fish thing. I don't support supporting millions of people just because they don't want to work.

I'd vote 99 out of 99 times in favor of racking up trillions in debt to get people job training and programs to help pay businesses to train people. Most people just need one break.

The last thing you want is 10's of millions of starving poor people.

 

[rudeguy]

The last thing you want is 10's of millions of starving poor people.

Of course it is.

But I also hate seeing people stay poor just because it's easier than getting a job.

 

[Jhhnn]

I support helping people. It's the old give a man a fish thing. I don't support supporting millions of people just because they don't want to work.

I'd vote 99 out of 99 times in favor of racking up trillions in debt to get people job training and programs to help pay businesses to train people. Most people just need one break.

Mighty fine assumption about millions not wanting to work in the face of offshoring & automation. It's one of the false Gods of the right wing. It also denies the fact that children are the main beneficiaries of our social programs. Or should we do as Gingrich suggests, deprive adults of employment by having kids clean the schools?

We can train people until hell freezes over to no effect if the Job Creators won't allocate capital in sufficient measure to, you know, actually create jobs in this country. That or more govt jobs is what it'll take to create the millions of breaks that we need.

The sad truth is that many American workers need assistance even when they are employed due to the radical shift of income to the tippy-top over the last 30 years of trickle down economic policy.

We wouldn't need or want SNAP & the ACA if right wing ideology delivered on its promises. The simple fact is that it does not deliver as promised.

Your judgmentalism remains intact, obviously, even though you acknowledge that it shouldn't be there.

 

[Subyman]

Its not like they are giving out Armani suits. Tee shirts, shitty jeans, some food stamps usable at Save A Lot, and shitty flip phones. These people aren't living it up. They are being given the bare bones to be able to not pan handle on the streets. For some that is all they aspire to want, so it works out for them I guess.

 

[JSt0rm]

Of course it is.

But I also hate seeing people stay poor just because it's easier than getting a job.

Not because you feel bad about people starving. Thats not the point. The point ids starving people do things to get fed. That would include killing you. I think we can all pitch in to keep them sitting on the couch.

Also there arent enough jobs to have everyone working. Thats just not how the world works.

 

[rudeguy]

Mighty fine assumption about millions not wanting to work in the face of offshoring & automation. It's one of the false Gods of the right wing. It also denies the fact that children are the main beneficiaries of our social programs. Or should we do as Gingrich suggests, deprive adults of employment by having kids clean the schools?

We can train people until hell freezes over to no effect if the Job Creators won't allocate capital in sufficient measure to, you know, actually create jobs in this country. That or more govt jobs is what it'll take to create the millions of breaks that we need.

The sad truth is that many American workers need assistance even when they are employed due to the radical shift of income to the tippy-top over the last 30 years of trickle down economic policy.

We wouldn't need or want SNAP & the ACA if right wing ideology delivered on its promises. The simple fact is that it does not deliver as promised.

Your judgmentalism remains intact, obviously, even though you acknowledge that it shouldn't be there.

Maybe I need to add some context.

I grew up dirt poor. My single mom busted her ass to support my sister and i. I watched her work herself sick just trying to put food on the table but even then we had to go to the armory to get cheese. I know poor, I understand poor. Working poor has always been a reality, it's nothing new.

I decided early on that my kid would have it better than I did. I worked hard, I worked a lot, I was always trying to climb up the next rung on the ladder. I caught a serious break when I was 21 and doubled my income in less than a year. Yes I was lucky but I also busted my tail for it.

I've known poor. I've known comfortable. Neither are easy.

 

[JSt0rm]

Maybe I need to add some context.

I grew up dirt poor. My single mom busted her ass to support my sister and i. I watched her work herself sick just trying to put food on the table but even then we had to go to the armory to get cheese. I know poor, I understand poor. Working poor has always been a reality, it's nothing new.

I decided early on that my kid would have it better than I did. I worked hard, I worked a lot, I was always trying to climb up the next rung on the ladder. I caught a serious break when I was 21 and doubled my income in less than a year. Yes I was lucky but I also busted my tail for it.

I've known poor. I've known comfortable. Neither are easy.

bootstraps.txt

Its not always a choice and if someone just becomes lazy and wont work anymore then they dont get a good life. Thats a pretty shitty existence as you know from experience.

 

[Subyman]

Maybe I need to add some context.

I grew up dirt poor. My single mom busted her ass to support my sister and i. I watched her work herself sick just trying to put food on the table but even then we had to go to the armory to get cheese. I know poor, I understand poor. Working poor has always been a reality, it's nothing new.

I decided early on that my kid would have it better than I did. I worked hard, I worked a lot, I was always trying to climb up the next rung on the ladder. I caught a serious break when I was 21 and doubled my income in less than a year. Yes I was lucky but I also busted my tail for it.

I've known poor. I've known comfortable. Neither are easy.

Its nice to know that same mother doesn't have to work herself as sick as your mother did. She can get WIC and supplemental children supplies such as diapers and formula. She can get decent housing. I'm glad to know as a society we don't let people fall as far as they once did.

 

[Blue_Max]

Its nice to know that same mother doesn't have to work herself as sick as your mother did. She can get WIC and supplemental children supplies such as diapers and formula. She can get decent housing. I'm glad to know as a society we don't let people fall as far as they once did.

True - moms get lots of support in that regard. My ex-wife is getting a comfortable place (if not fancy) almost free, free healthcare for her and the kids, free handout money, free food, etc. She lives on that and my child support money.

No, she doesn't work. She doesn't want to. Doesn't need to.


Unfortunately, were the parenting roles reversed the kids would be ripped from me by the well-meaning support workers who would deem me "unfit" for not providing what my kids needed.

There's the whole double-standard thing I find so distasteful.

 

[Jhhnn]

Its nice to know that same mother doesn't have to work herself as sick as your mother did. She can get WIC and supplemental children supplies such as diapers and formula. She can get decent housing. I'm glad to know as a society we don't let people fall as far as they once did.

Well said.

 

[zinfamous]

True - moms get lots of support in that regard. My ex-wife is getting a comfortable place (if not fancy) almost free, free healthcare for her and the kids, free handout money, free food, etc. She lives on that and my child support money.

No, she doesn't work. She doesn't want to. Doesn't need to.


Unfortunately, were the parenting roles reversed the kids would be ripped from me by the well-meaning support workers who would deem me "unfit" for not providing what my kids needed.

There's the whole double-standard thing I find so distasteful.

oh yeah, I forget. 98% of the woman-haters on this thread are from divorced dudes crying about "free-loading" ex wives.

boo-fucking-hoo.

this sure colors your idiocy regarding "gamergate" or whatever that is.

 

[Blue_Max]

oh yeah, I forget. 98% of the woman-haters on this thread are from divorced dudes crying about "free-loading" ex wives.

boo-fucking-hoo.

this sure colors your idiocy regarding "gamergate" or whatever that is.

Way to avoid the actual issue that all these services exist for women only. And they're always fighting for more.

Idiocy, my ass. At least I stay on topic.