any way you look at it, we're getting cheap dual core cpus. but you can get an X2 3800 and some cheap nforce4 mobo and o/c it, where as you can get a E6300 and a moderately priced motherboard and o/c it.. price difference justifiable?
Conroe vs AMD prices
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Given the enormous volume of related posts and the generally poor utility of Fuse Talk search, you would probably do the OP a lot more favors with a link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157096
$86 board with:
1) 945 chipset
2) Crossfire support
3) Conroe support
There are 945 Conroe boards as cheap as $60 available on Newegg now. Anyone who says motherboard differences are an issue is lying. The 975 boards are extremely expensive, but they also offer a LOT more features, which can be useful or not.
$86 board with:
1) 945 chipset
2) Crossfire support
3) Conroe support
There are 945 Conroe boards as cheap as $60 available on Newegg now. Anyone who says motherboard differences are an issue is lying. The 975 boards are extremely expensive, but they also offer a LOT more features, which can be useful or not.
No thanks you can have the Assrocks...They are supposed to be horrible ocers...so you didn't bother to read the OPS post?
to clarify, we know that we can get an x2 3800+ and o/c to 2.4-2.5ghz easy, with some 50-60 dollar motherboard.
now for the 1.83ghz conroes, how high do you expect to o/c these? let's just say, oh, i dunno... that we'd expect to get 2.6ghz out of these, easy (just the potential of the processor).
so now, that would require a motherboard to o/c from 7 x 266 to 7 x 370 (around 2.6ghz). are these cheap motherboards going to reach that high of a fsb? what's the cheapest motherboard you can get that'll reach that high? everyone keeps saying the gigabyte 965, but that's around 150, but that'll go 400+ fsb. so you're paying more for some kick ass performance (and if i had the $$$, i'd buy it in a heartbeat (but i'd probably get the e6600 instead))
but that's not the point, right?
now, if we were to compare the x2 3800+ o/c performance, let's assume that a 2.5ghz amd = oh.. uh.. i dunno.. 2.25ghz e6300?
so now that's 7 x 330.. can these cheap motherboards o/c to at least this? if so, then great!
i'm just trying to get the perspective from all around.. people should know (well, i dont post a lot) that i am a "best price/performance ratio" fanboy, so i'm just looking out for what's feasible!
technically, this is pertaining to the lowest end of the dual core battle (i will not consider the Netburst architecture in this debate)
if i had just a little bit more $$$, i'd take conroe in a heartbeat, but now is not the time to spend
edit: as Zap has said in another thread, the e4300 is a 9 x 200 part. if you can take, say that asrock mobo (yeah Duvie, i know... i had the older rev. for the 820 last year), and pump it to 9 x 266 (remember, no vcore adjust), then you'd have yourself a e6700. WINNAR!?
now for the 1.83ghz conroes, how high do you expect to o/c these? let's just say, oh, i dunno... that we'd expect to get 2.6ghz out of these, easy (just the potential of the processor).
so now, that would require a motherboard to o/c from 7 x 266 to 7 x 370 (around 2.6ghz). are these cheap motherboards going to reach that high of a fsb? what's the cheapest motherboard you can get that'll reach that high? everyone keeps saying the gigabyte 965, but that's around 150, but that'll go 400+ fsb. so you're paying more for some kick ass performance (and if i had the $$$, i'd buy it in a heartbeat (but i'd probably get the e6600 instead))
but that's not the point, right?
now, if we were to compare the x2 3800+ o/c performance, let's assume that a 2.5ghz amd = oh.. uh.. i dunno.. 2.25ghz e6300?
so now that's 7 x 330.. can these cheap motherboards o/c to at least this? if so, then great!
i'm just trying to get the perspective from all around.. people should know (well, i dont post a lot) that i am a "best price/performance ratio" fanboy, so i'm just looking out for what's feasible!
technically, this is pertaining to the lowest end of the dual core battle (i will not consider the Netburst architecture in this debate)
if i had just a little bit more $$$, i'd take conroe in a heartbeat, but now is not the time to spend
edit: as Zap has said in another thread, the e4300 is a 9 x 200 part. if you can take, say that asrock mobo (yeah Duvie, i know... i had the older rev. for the 820 last year), and pump it to 9 x 266 (remember, no vcore adjust), then you'd have yourself a e6700. WINNAR!?
Xbitlabs has an X2 3800+ vs E6300 overclocking article:
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html
The X2 3800+ reaches 3GHz, the E6300 reaches 2.94GHz @ STOCK Vcore. Too bad it's FSB limited by the mobo, could've probably reached 3.5GHz or more like the E6600s.
From those results it seems E6300 will be substantially faster.
However, after the price cuts, X2 3800+ will be cheaper than the E6300, $149 vs $183.
I'd say mobo prices would be cheaper on the AMD side as well, so overall, I reckon you're looking at around a $100 platform saving by going AMD, unless there are cheapie Intel mobos for less than $100.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html
The X2 3800+ reaches 3GHz, the E6300 reaches 2.94GHz @ STOCK Vcore. Too bad it's FSB limited by the mobo, could've probably reached 3.5GHz or more like the E6600s.
From those results it seems E6300 will be substantially faster.
However, after the price cuts, X2 3800+ will be cheaper than the E6300, $149 vs $183.
I'd say mobo prices would be cheaper on the AMD side as well, so overall, I reckon you're looking at around a $100 platform saving by going AMD, unless there are cheapie Intel mobos for less than $100.
And those prices don't even account for possibly high mark ups on the Conroe due to possible availability shortages. So an an X2 3800 might still be a good choice for awhile.
I had a similar discussion when setting up my PD 805 rig. Whats the point of getting a cheap cpu that can OC like crazy if you have to get an expensive mobo and/or ram? I'm going to get an E6300 when it comes out but I'm going to hold off on getting the mobo/ram until they come out with a good one. An important point to the Xbitlabs article about OCing was that the main limitation in OCing was the fact that the chipset MCH voltage was limited. I'll wait for a mobo that allows me to raise the MCH voltage to what the article says.
Theres a Gigabyte 965 chipset mobo that seems to handle up to 500FSB, albeit with the 2MB C2Ds, 4MB chips seem limited to the usual ~400FSB wall.
It seems the 965 chipset handles higher FSBs better than the 975X, at least with the 2MB C2Ds.
500 x 7 = 3500MHz, would be awesome if most E6300s, free of FSB limitations, could reach such heights.
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