Conroe vs. AMD FX-62

[degeester]

The comparisons are starting to come out. Link to Hexus article

It sure looks like Anandtech's article is being validated. Let the NDA expire and we'll know the true extent and capabilities of each chip.

 

[JAG87]

I cannot believe idiots like you still compare an architecture that AMD has had for 2 years, to a technology that intel has yet to release.

 

[BrownTown]

lol, nobody complains when the K8 is compared to netburst which came out way before it, but now people complain when K8 is compared to a architecture that came out after it? Point is that it don't matter when the architecture came out, what matters is that these processors will be compeating head to head and therefore should be compared directly. When K8L comes out it will be compared to Conroe, even though Conroe came out before it. All that matters is what we have at any given point in time. If AMD has not updated the K8 then why shouldthey deserve pity points for losing to Conroe, nobody gave Intel any pity when it rode its crappy netburst archtecture for 5 years...

 

[450R]

There's nothing else to compare Conroe to. Great knee-jerk reaction though.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: JAG87
I cannot believe idiots like you still compare an architecture that AMD has had for 2 years, to a technology that intel has yet to release.

You forgot to take your congeniality pill today, didn't you....

 

[fatty4ksu]

Ah...and the world is right once again.

 

[JAG87]

you should not compare the two. I understand that there is nothing to compare conroe to, but honestly its like saying ATI X1900 kills the 6800s... yea no ****** sherlock it only came out 2 years later... you just should not compare the two. kudos to conroe and to intel but for the love of god stop bashing the K8 architecture.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
lol, nobody complains when the K8 is compared to netburst which came out way before it, but now people complain when K8 is compared to a architecture that came out after it? Point is that it don't matter when the architecture came out, what matters is that these processors will be compeating head to head and therefore should be compared directly. When K8L comes out it will be compared to Conroe, even though Conroe came out before it. All that matters is what we have at any given point in time. If AMD has not updated the K8 then why shouldthey deserve pity points for losing to Conroe, nobody gave Intel any pity when it rode its crappy netburst archtecture for 5 years...

Where have u been, i lost count of how many threads there were which tryed to justify getting PD over X2.

Now people are doing the same for amd. My self i couldnt care less, i want price cuts and lotsa performance for cheap

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Ah...and the world is right once again.

Tell that to our troops in Iraq. Sorry for the OT, but we are talking transistors here guys. Keep it real. I'm glad Intel got their act together. But even if Conroe did not exist, it doesn't look like AM2 is any sort of upgrade for current 939/Opty owners. It actually looks like it does worse in some tests that Hexus did. Not a good thing.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
lol, nobody complains when the K8 is compared to netburst which came out way before it, but now people complain when K8 is compared to a architecture that came out after it? Point is that it don't matter when the architecture came out, what matters is that these processors will be compeating head to head and therefore should be compared directly. When K8L comes out it will be compared to Conroe, even though Conroe came out before it. All that matters is what we have at any given point in time. If AMD has not updated the K8 then why shouldthey deserve pity points for losing to Conroe, nobody gave Intel any pity when it rode its crappy netburst archtecture for 5 years...

yea and you wanna know why?

because intel has been biting the curb for 5 years, and being such a leader in the industry they could have done something to level up quite some time ago. now all of a sudden, AMD cant keep up with a product thats not even out yet, and they are biting the curb. honestly you people dont make any sense. Im not trying to defend amd here but just analyze the history of things. You really should be comparing conroe to brisbane, which will be out in december. But since we dont have any clue what brisbane is like, lets just take AMDs 2 year old architecture and compare it to intels new chips.

 

[secretanchitman]

just read the "reviews" on AM2 via nvnews.net...its at most a 5% boost from socket 939. not much to get excited for, except the transition to DDR2.

and wow, jag seems pissed...so of course amd bashing intel can ensue, but not intel bashing amd?? hmm...people compare old to new stuff all the time, so i dont know whats making you jump around like this. whatever...

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
lol, nobody complains when the K8 is compared to netburst which came out way before it, but now people complain when K8 is compared to a architecture that came out after it? Point is that it don't matter when the architecture came out, what matters is that these processors will be compeating head to head and therefore should be compared directly. When K8L comes out it will be compared to Conroe, even though Conroe came out before it. All that matters is what we have at any given point in time. If AMD has not updated the K8 then why shouldthey deserve pity points for losing to Conroe, nobody gave Intel any pity when it rode its crappy netburst archtecture for 5 years...

Intel did update netburst, prescott had some very significant changes from northwood. Too bad most were related to increasing clock speed and then hiding the performance penalty per clock, but the prescott was too hot to clock high.
Intel introduced the pentium 2, AMD introduced the Athlon later, the Athlon was better.
Intel introduced the Pentium 3, the Athlon was still better.
Intel introduced the Pentium 4, the Athlon was still better.
AMD introduced the Athlon 64 at around the same time Intel introduced Prescott (which was rumored to be the Pentium 5, it certainly had significant enough changes to be considered such) and Athlon 64 was better.
Now Intel is introducing Conroe, and it stands to truly be better.

you should not compare the two. I understand that there is nothing to compare conroe to, but honestly its like saying ATI X1900 kills the 6800s... yea no ****** sherlock it only came out 2 years later... you just should not compare the two. kudos to conroe and to intel but for the love of god stop bashing the K8 architecture.

I'd say it's more like comparing the 7800GTX to the X850XT. It wasn't nvidia's fault that ATI was late to the party, and it's not Intel's fault AMD is late to the party.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: JAG87
you should not compare the two. I understand that there is nothing to compare conroe to, but honestly its like saying ATI X1900 kills the 6800s... yea no ****** sherlock it only came out 2 years later... you just should not compare the two. kudos to conroe and to intel but for the love of god stop bashing the K8 architecture.

So why should we bash the netburst architecture, the Northwood was actually a sweet cpu, its only after they brought out the prescot that it was noticed that it did not perfrom as well. Now speaking of this Northwood bashed k7 something not funny. Its a fact people will compare the greatest now to the new thing, and if its not as good they will bash it or they will try to hold on to it not beliving.

 

[degeester]

My interest in what is current in CPU's is how best to spend my money on a new computer. My Athlon XP Barton has served me well for nearly two years. I want to build a new box and if a $400 chip can outperform a $1200 chip all the better for me the consumer.

 

[the Chase]

While I have no doubts that Conroe will outperform anything AMD brings out for awhile, that "review" was more like an Intel commercial. Also had 4 banks of 512 memory at CAS 4 to Intels's 2 banks of memory at CAS 3. That won't make a huge impact but the K8 is sensitive to CAS timings.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: BrownTown
lol, nobody complains when the K8 is compared to netburst which came out way before it, but now people complain when K8 is compared to a architecture that came out after it? Point is that it don't matter when the architecture came out, what matters is that these processors will be compeating head to head and therefore should be compared directly. When K8L comes out it will be compared to Conroe, even though Conroe came out before it. All that matters is what we have at any given point in time. If AMD has not updated the K8 then why shouldthey deserve pity points for losing to Conroe, nobody gave Intel any pity when it rode its crappy netburst archtecture for 5 years...

yea and you wanna know why?

because intel has been biting the curb for 5 years, and being such a leader in the industry they could have done something to level up quite some time ago. now all of a sudden, AMD cant keep up with a product thats not even out yet, and they are biting the curb. honestly you people dont make any sense. Im not trying to defend amd here but just analyze the history of things. You really should be comparing conroe to brisbane, which will be out in december. But since we dont have any clue what brisbane is like, lets just take AMDs 2 year old architecture and compare it to intels new chips.

You're not really making a lot of sense here. Hexus compared AMD's newest and fastest CPU against Intels newest and almost the fastest CPU available in just about a months time. The only thing I can gather from your sort of "pissed off" post, was that we can't compare AMD's 2 year old architecture with Intels new one? Well, why not? AMD's next architecture won't be here til what, December? So what your saying is, we have to wait til december to compare Conroe to AMD's offering.
I don't know about you, but a 300 to 400 dollar midrange CPU that blows away a 1000+ dollar Flagship CPU purchase. This requires zero neural synapsis. Anyways, just try to remain calm, lower the weapon, and back away.

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

Originally posted by: the Chase
While I have no doubts that Conroe will outperform anything AMD brings out for awhile, that "review" was more like an Intel commercial. Also had 4 banks of 512 memory at CAS 4 to Intels's 2 banks of memory at CAS 3. That won't make a huge impact but the K8 is sensitive to CAS timings.

But then the AM2 got 2 GB of memory @ DDR 800, and the FX-60 got ram with 2-2-2-5 timings which is hella tight. The Intel systems used DDR-667 which means they took a hit on bandwidth which Intel systems love and they were only given 1GB so thats unfair for both AMD and Intel which makes the test fair since both sides took hits.

And the Conroe systems tested are at 2.4ghz and 2.6ghz which is an unfair speed advantage towards the FX-62 @2.8 and E6600 (2.4) vs FX-60 (2.60) Doesn't sound like an Intel commercial to me given all these factors against Intel.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD

Originally posted by: the Chase
While I have no doubts that Conroe will outperform anything AMD brings out for awhile, that "review" was more like an Intel commercial. Also had 4 banks of 512 memory at CAS 4 to Intels's 2 banks of memory at CAS 3. That won't make a huge impact but the K8 is sensitive to CAS timings.

But then the AM2 got 2 GB of memory @ DDR 800, and the FX-60 got ram with 2-2-2-5 timings which is hella tight. The Intel systems used DDR-667 which means they took a hit on bandwidth which Intel systems love and they were only given 1GB so thats unfair for both AMD and Intel which makes the test fair since both sides took hits.

And the Conroe systems tested are at 2.4ghz and 2.6ghz which is an unfair speed advantage towards the FX-62 @2.8 and E6600 (2.4) vs FX-60 (2.60) Doesn't sound like an Intel commercial to me given all these factors against Intel.

Yeah I agree. I saw the speed difference too. I wonder why they didn't just use 1G(2x512) for the AM2 system also?

The testing methods may not sound like an Intel commercial but the commentary might as well had operators standing buy to take your credit card # for a Conroe preorder.

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

Originally posted by: the Chase

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD

Originally posted by: the Chase
While I have no doubts that Conroe will outperform anything AMD brings out for awhile, that "review" was more like an Intel commercial. Also had 4 banks of 512 memory at CAS 4 to Intels's 2 banks of memory at CAS 3. That won't make a huge impact but the K8 is sensitive to CAS timings.

But then the AM2 got 2 GB of memory @ DDR 800, and the FX-60 got ram with 2-2-2-5 timings which is hella tight. The Intel systems used DDR-667 which means they took a hit on bandwidth which Intel systems love and they were only given 1GB so thats unfair for both AMD and Intel which makes the test fair since both sides took hits.

And the Conroe systems tested are at 2.4ghz and 2.6ghz which is an unfair speed advantage towards the FX-62 @2.8 and E6600 (2.4) vs FX-60 (2.60) Doesn't sound like an Intel commercial to me given all these factors against Intel.

Yeah I agree. I saw the speed difference too. I wonder why they didn't just use 1G(2x512) for the AM2 system also?

The testing methods may not sound like an Intel commercial but the commentary might as well had operators standing buy to take your credit card # for a Conroe preorder.

Well if they used the 2 x 512mb for the AM2 system then thats ddr-667 and ppl will comment that its unfair since AMD got ddr 667 and they'll support it with this article here http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-socket-am2_21.html which says that you need DDR 800 to take advantage of AM2.

Well I think the commentary falls in line with the results. Conroe does purely dominate the AMD systems so nothing wrong with saying that "Conroe simply outmuscles every available CPU." I have my credit card ready for preorders if they did preorders at the prices they released so far, my system is a dinosaur

 

[the Chase]

Bah, you said that "available" word.......

 

[Fallengod]

I dunno, but if they do end up pwning, I will definitely be getting one.

 

[AnandThenMan]

The evidence is becoming more and more conclusive. Conroe is going to pummel FX-62's pretty badly.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: JAG87
yea and you wanna know why?

because intel has been biting the curb for 5 years, and being such a leader in the industry they could have done something to level up quite some time ago. now all of a sudden, AMD cant keep up with a product thats not even out yet, and they are biting the curb. honestly you people dont make any sense. Im not trying to defend amd here but just analyze the history of things. You really should be comparing conroe to brisbane, which will be out in december. But since we dont have any clue what brisbane is like, lets just take AMDs 2 year old architecture and compare it to intels new chips.

yawn

Netburst is a 6 year old architecture, debuting in 1999. So are you saying its unfair to compare K8 to netburst? Right.

Originally posted by: Fox5
Intel introduced the pentium 2, AMD introduced the Athlon later, the Athlon was better.
Intel introduced the Pentium 3, the Athlon was still better.
Intel introduced the Pentium 4, the Athlon was still better.
AMD introduced the Athlon 64 at around the same time Intel introduced Prescott (which was rumored to be the Pentium 5, it certainly had significant enough changes to be considered such) and Athlon 64 was better.
Now Intel is introducing Conroe, and it stands to truly be better.

Wow, get your time-lines straight. Pentium-II only had to compete with K-6/2.

Pentium-II Deschutes > K6/2
Pentium-III Katmai > K6/3
Athlon-Classic > Katmai
Pentium-III Coppermine > Athlon-Classic
Athlon-Thunderbird > Coppermine
Tualatin/Willamette > Thunderbird
Athlon-XP Palomino > Willamette (note that Pentium-M Banias came out at this time)
Northwood > Palomino
Northwood-B > Athlon-XP Thoroughbred
Northwood-C > Athlon-XP Barton
K8 Clawhammer / San Diego > Northwood, and later on Prescott/Cedar Mill

 

[Absolute0]

JAG87
Quit complaining, Conroe is here and we're going to compare it to the other stuff.

@ the article
Good stuff. Conroe wins by 40% in one of the gaming tests. The E6600 beat the FX62 in every game test. Beautiful.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: JAG87
I cannot believe idiots like you still compare an architecture that AMD has had for 2 years, to a technology that intel has yet to release.

so where is AMD response :?