Conroe Prices vs. AMD X2 (S939 & AM2)

[AkumaX]

Brand # Clock/FSB Cache Launch Price

Conroe E6700 2.67GHz/1066MHz 4MB Q3'06 $530
Conroe E6600 2.40GHz/1066MHz 4MB Q3'06 $316
Conroe E6400 2.13GHz/1066MHz 2MB Q3'06 $224
Conroe E6300 1.86GHz/1066MHz 2MB Q3'06 $183

Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 $1,031
Athlon 64 FX-60 S939 $827
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303

prices same for 939 (except for 4000+ and 5000+, which don't have S939), but they had EE (energy efficient) pricing, which i didn't include

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If Intel's motherboards are comparably priced to AMD's, then AMD's gonna be in for a lot of hurtin'...

edit: changed the numbers, thanks coldpower!

but do you guys think that AMD will drop their X2 prices low enough to compete with Conroe? I mean if the 3800+ or 4000+ were to drop, they'd have to go down at least $100 to be competitive...

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edit2: with the new AMD projected price cuts HERE, things sure are going to get rocky! maybe i should sell my X2 now and get it back next month *cries*

another thing to think about is the price on conroe motherboards. are we going to have sub-$100 conroe mobos that can o/c like AMD's?

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
Brand # Clock/FSB Cache Launch Price

Conroe E6700 2.67GHz/1066MHz 4MB Q3'06 $530
Conroe E6600 2.40GHz/1066MHz 4MB Q3'06 $316
Conroe E6400 2.13GHz/1066MHz 2MB Q3'06 $241
Conroe E6300 1.86GHz/1066MHz 2MB Q3'06 $209

Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 $1,031
Athlon 64 FX-60 S939 $827
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303

prices same for 939 (except for 4000+ and 5000+, which don't have S939), but they had EE (energy efficient) pricing, which i didn't include

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If Intel's motherboards are comparably priced to AMD's, then AMD's gonna be in for a lot of hurtin'...

1 .We don't now if AMD will or Will not drop the pricing of their X2 line, and 2. the E6400 and E6300 are down to 224US and 183US now.

 

[Bateluer]

Odds are AMD will drop the prices on the X2 lineup, its a question of how when and by home much.

 

[Avalon]

I want the Conroe E4XXX whatever it's called that is 800FSB.
But good prices on the rest of them. I do hope AMD lowers their X2 prices somewhat, or their sales are going to dip.

 

[luigionlsd]

Wow... way to put those into perspective! I think I'd rather just buy a 930 Pentium D right now than wait for Conroe, although I may just wait and see what kind of price drops happen. Need to find a decent mobo that has 2 IDEs on it!

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: luigionlsd
Wow... way to put those into perspective! I think I'd rather just buy a 930 Pentium D right now than wait for Conroe, although I may just wait and see what kind of price drops happen. Need to find a decent mobo that has 2 IDEs on it!

You might want to wait for Conroe as well the Pentium D will have quite a drop themselves then.

 

[bluemax]

Whoa... AMD just did some pretty impressive price drops on the 939 single-cores. I expect the X2's to soon follow.

*wait*one*more*month*.... *wait*one*more*month*.... *wait*one*more*month*....

 

[luigionlsd]

Heh, I'm almost tempted to buy an AM2 X2 4200 or 939 Opty 165 now Maybe price drops by then (after all, it'll take me 10 years to save up for one of those)... we'll see!

 

[StrangerGuy]

Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year, just like the Geforce 6800s/Radeon X800s in 2004.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year, just like the Geforce 6800s/Radeon X800s in 2004.

Any particular reason? 65nm process has been well underway since Preslers debut.
Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

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[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year, just like the Geforce 6800s/Radeon X800s in 2004.

Any particular reason? 65nm process has been well underway since Preslers debut.
Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

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I assuming that he is assuming that Conroe wont be avaliable in retail channel as much because Intel may ship a huge chunk to Dell, HP etc

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year, just like the Geforce 6800s/Radeon X800s in 2004.

Any particular reason? 65nm process has been well underway since Preslers debut.
Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

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People keep posting these Conroe prices and no doubt folks are going to pay more if not significantly more than those prices posted. Why? Demand. Coupled with the fact Conroe is only going to make up 40% of Intel's shipping cpus will not only make Conroe scarce in the retail market, but will also cause an increase in consumer prices. Plus don't forget all distributors will pay the same now, no matter how many processors they buy. Conroe looks sweet, but the question is how many people will actually be able to buy one that isn't in an oem (dell) system.

 

[ahock]

Do you guys know by how much AMD will drop there X2 prices? and do you think will be competitive with Presler? Well we know that presler is already competitive with AMD X2 so I guess AMD will reallydrop down their proces more to compete...

Likewise, Conroe E6700 is somehow at par with FX-62 so I dnt know whether AMD will also needs this to be dropped as well.

 

[VivienM]

I assuming that he is assuming that Conroe wont be avaliable in retail channel as much because Intel may ship a huge chunk to Dell, HP etc

Why would Dell want a huge chunk of Conroes? They're still selling lots of 8xx Pentium Ds... and Celerons, 5xx Pentiums, and whatnot. Dell doesn't exist to sell Intel's latest technology; their business model is to unload insane amounts of Intel's highest value technology.

This whole "Conroe retail availability is going to be scarce" sounds to me like AMD fanboy FUD. The retail/enthusiast market needs Conroe, not the $400-500 boxes from Dell/HP/etc.

My prediction is that Dell is going to be unloading a gazillion of cheap NetBursts from July 23rd until the end of this year... and the Conroes will be limited to the high-end systems (whatever replaces the 9150, the XPS desktops, and whatever the high end OptiPlex is).

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: VivienM

I assuming that he is assuming that Conroe wont be avaliable in retail channel as much because Intel may ship a huge chunk to Dell, HP etc

Why would Dell want a huge chunk of Conroes? They're still selling lots of 8xx Pentium Ds... and Celerons, 5xx Pentiums, and whatnot. Dell doesn't exist to sell Intel's latest technology; their business model is to unload insane amounts of Intel's highest value technology.

This whole "Conroe retail availability is going to be scarce" sounds to me like AMD fanboy FUD. The retail/enthusiast market needs Conroe, not the $400-500 boxes from Dell/HP/etc.

My prediction is that Dell is going to be unloading a gazillion of cheap NetBursts from July 23rd until the end of this year... and the Conroes will be limited to the high-end systems (whatever replaces the 9150, the XPS desktops, and whatever the high end OptiPlex is).

Well its not so much FUD as stuff that Intel has been leaking out. They supposively want 40% of sales to come from Conroe by Q1 of 07. But initially those first few weeks with high demand and most shipments heading to OEMs....it may be hard to find a Conroe in a retail channel

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/1136_large_intel.png
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2531

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: VivienM

I assuming that he is assuming that Conroe wont be avaliable in retail channel as much because Intel may ship a huge chunk to Dell, HP etc

Why would Dell want a huge chunk of Conroes? They're still selling lots of 8xx Pentium Ds... and Celerons, 5xx Pentiums, and whatnot. Dell doesn't exist to sell Intel's latest technology; their business model is to unload insane amounts of Intel's highest value technology.

This whole "Conroe retail availability is going to be scarce" sounds to me like AMD fanboy FUD. The retail/enthusiast market needs Conroe, not the $400-500 boxes from Dell/HP/etc.

My prediction is that Dell is going to be unloading a gazillion of cheap NetBursts from July 23rd until the end of this year... and the Conroes will be limited to the high-end systems (whatever replaces the 9150, the XPS desktops, and whatever the high end OptiPlex is).

Maybe because Dell has been losing it's shirt by sticking with Intel and their crappy CPU's. Now that Intal has come out with something good- Dell is going to demand a lot of them- and at great prices also- they have to sway to make that demand. Dell has to change.....or perish.

 

[VivienM]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Well its not so much FUD as stuff that Intel has been leaking out. They supposively want 40% of sales to come from Conroe by Q1 of 07. But initially those first few weeks with high demand and most shipments heading to OEMs....it may be hard to find a Conroe in a retail channel

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/1136_large_intel.png
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2531

Right... so that leaves 60% NetBurst in 6 months. That 60% will be made up mostly of Dell and co selling $400-600 Celerons and dirt-cheap Pentium Ds.

 

[VivienM]

Originally posted by: the Chase

Maybe because Dell has been losing it's shirt by sticking with Intel and their crappy CPU's. Now that Intal has come out with something good- Dell is going to demand a lot of them- and at great prices also- they have to sway to make that demand. Dell has to change.....or perish.

Has Dell been losing its shirt on desktops? On servers and workstations, sure... but are that many people in the corporate world demanding Athlons for their office machines and buying HP or Lenovo to get them? I somehow doubt it...

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Dell will be selling Conroes. I just think that Conroe will make up their 10-15% highest-end desktops.... and the rest will be based on dirt-cheap NetBursts.

If Dell is so concerned about selling the latest Intel technology, why are they pushing the 820 so heavily, and the 930/940 only as expensive options? (in Canada at least)

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: luigionlsd
I'd rather just buy a 930 Pentium D right now than wait for Conroe, although I may just wait and see what kind of price drops happen

By the time Conroe ships, Intel's Conroe and Pentium D pricing will be as follows:

CPU Price
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2.93GHz/4M) $999
Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965 (3.73GHz/2Mx2) $999
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.67GHz/4M) $530
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz/4M) $316
Intel Pentium D 960 (3.60GHz/2Mx2) $316
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (2.13GHz/2M) $224
Intel Pentium D 950 (3.40GHz/2Mx2) $224
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86GHz/2M) $183
Intel Pentium D 940 (3.20GHz/2Mx2) $183
Intel Pentium D 930 (3.00GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 920 (2.80GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 820 (2.80GHz/1Mx2) $133
Intel Pentium D 805 (2.66GHz/1Mx2) $93

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: VivienM

Originally posted by: the Chase

Maybe because Dell has been losing it's shirt by sticking with Intel and their crappy CPU's. Now that Intal has come out with something good- Dell is going to demand a lot of them- and at great prices also- they have to sway to make that demand. Dell has to change.....or perish.

Has Dell been losing its shirt on desktops? On servers and workstations, sure... but are that many people in the corporate world demanding Athlons for their office machines and buying HP or Lenovo to get them? I somehow doubt it...

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Dell will be selling Conroes. I just think that Conroe will make up their 10-15% highest-end desktops.... and the rest will be based on dirt-cheap NetBursts.

If Dell is so concerned about selling the latest Intel technology, why are they pushing the 820 so heavily, and the 930/940 only as expensive options? (in Canada at least)

Yes- HP has gained a lot of market share and also been VERY profitable while Dell has been stagnate, sliding....

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year ...

Any particular reason? ... Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

One source would be Computex:

"There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, ... It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch."

 

[VivienM]

Originally posted by: pcoffman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year ...

Any particular reason? ... Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

One source would be Computex:

"There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, ... It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch."

How much of that concern is being created by AMD?

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: VivienM

Originally posted by: pcoffman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Expect Conroes to be in tight supply this year ...

Any particular reason? ... Any sources to indicate there will be a tight supply?

One source would be Computex:

"There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, ... It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch."

How much of that concern is being created by AMD?

If you read the actual quote you would notice the concern is actually from Intel's own numbers. Just for reference:

There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, as Intel has only committed to around 25% of its mainstream and high end desktop processor shipments being Conroe by the end of this year. After Dell and HP buy up all the Conroes they will want for their systems, there simply may not be any left for the end user to buy in the channel market. Alternatively, there may end up being some supply in the channel market but at significant markups due to a shortage. It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch.

 

[kknd1967]

AMD is cutting X2 price by 35%-50% after 07/24 according to HKEPC

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Estimated Prices for 7/24

thlon 64 X2 5000+ (socket AM2 only) $403
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (socket AM2 and 939)$301
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (socket AM2 and 939)$240
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (socket AM2 and 939)$169

vs.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.67GHz/4M) $530
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz/4M) $316
Intel Pentium D 960 (3.60GHz/2Mx2) $316
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (2.13GHz/2M) $224
Intel Pentium D 950 (3.40GHz/2Mx2) $224
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86GHz/2M) $183
Intel Pentium D 940 (3.20GHz/2Mx2) $183
Intel Pentium D 930 (3.00GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 920 (2.80GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 820 (2.80GHz/1Mx2) $133
Intel Pentium D 805 (2.66GHz/1Mx2) $93

Seems pretty competative. I'm definatly going to pick up a 3800+ 939 ~august.

EDIT: changed to reflect details from anandtech article with official pricing. 2x1mb cache chips will not be changing at all but, I wasn't too far off, with the exception of the 5000+.