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Conroe buyers, when will you buy and which model?

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Smartazz

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I'm planning on getting an E6400 or an E6600. Here's my situation I can get the E6600 and an X850XT or an E6400 and an X1800XT. Keep in mind I will be buying the 8800 close to launch day, what would you recommend and post comments about which one you plan on buying, thanks.
 
I plan on getting an E4200 within the month of launch. I can't afford any of the 4MB cache chips, and I think the E4200 with its 800FSB gives me the highest multiplier out of the ones I can afford. I'm hoping this will allow me to overclock well. Now hopefully some boards out there will be able to go really high on the FSB, or I won't get too far.
 
Originally posted by: Smartazz
What are the chances of getting one on launch day?
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Not sure. I've mostly been hearing that retail availability will be short at first. Whether that's the case or not remains to be seen, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to pick one up somewhere.
 
I will likely be building in January of 2007 with a budget of $2500. I will in all probability be using the E6600, however, if Kentsfield comes out, that may change my plans.
 
im planning on getting the e6600 within a month or 2 when it's launched...im getting an antec p180b case and i already have the seasonic s12 600watt...and probably the next line of ati cards and a wd 74gb raptor /w 16mb but not sure which ram i should get..preferably 2gb's or ram ...anybody got any ideas?
 
Originally posted by: phistyle
im planning on getting the e6600 within a month or 2 when it's launched...im getting an antec p180b case and i already have the seasonic s12 600watt...and probably the next line of ati cards and a wd 74gb raptor /w 16mb but not sure which ram i should get..preferably 2gb's or ram ...anybody got any ideas?
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planning on overclocking?
 
As I have gotten older, I'm playing less and less games, so my Opteron 175 and 6800GT should last me for quite some time (I hope). Therefore, I will most likely forgo this generation of Core 2 Duo and wait to see what revisions come down the pike in the future and what my needs are.
 
What I'm wondering about Conroe is how much the chip is bottlenecked by its own FSB. The key to squeezing every ounce of performance out of Conroe may be to max the chip out while also maxing out your board's FSB limits.

If we could get a fair benchmark of Conroe chips squaring off at the same clock speed and approximately same memory speed with different FSB speeds, maybe we could get some idea of how much (or if) Conroe is limited by its FSB.
 
I'm looking at an E6600 sometime in 2006. But the big question for me is which motherboard. Hell, which chipset? I've been deep in AMD land for the past decade, I've no clue on what I'm going to do other than the uprocessor itself. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
What I'm wondering about Conroe is how much the chip is bottlenecked by its own FSB. The key to squeezing every ounce of performance out of Conroe may be to max the chip out while also maxing out your board's FSB limits.

If we could get a fair benchmark of Conroe chips squaring off at the same clock speed and approximately same memory speed with different FSB speeds, maybe we could get some idea of how much (or if) Conroe is limited by its FSB.
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Thats not an issue!
What we have here is typical AMD fanboi misinformation!!
 
E6600 because it seems to be the cheapest core 2 duo with 4MB of cache. also noticed that it overclocks really well.

ive been deciding whether to go for the asus P5B deluxe (965x chipset) or the P5W DH Deluxe (975x chipset). both have their features that would be useful to me...

i didnt like nvidias intel mobo because i hated that bios, and the ati intel mobos...i didnt really pay attention to. hopefully this 2nd round of mobos from nvidia and ati will be much better.
 
Probably the E6600. I was planning on buying at launch, but I think I will wait until next year after quad-core is out to see what it does to prices. My system will last me till then (and longer if need be, just with a new vid card 🙂).
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda


Thats not an issue!
What we have here is typical AMD fanboi misinformation!!
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You assume too much. Even with a theoretical FSB bottleneck, Conroe still kills anything AMD has on the market. What makes me curious are the raw integer and floating-point performance numbers Conroe and Woodcrest have generated versus their real-world performance numbers. If you look at Anandtech's own Woodcrest vs Opteron benchmarks, you'll see that the performance difference in raw integer and fp is staggering. When it comes to "real-world" benchmarks and synthetics, the difference in performance is still decidedly in Conroe's favor, but not to the same extent.

That makes me wonder exactly what it is that prevents Conroe from fully utilizing its incredible computational power. Is it suboptimal code? Is it the cache? FSB or memory subsystem?

My guess is it's the FSB, but I don't know enough to be sure. That's why I'm curious about how well Conroe would perform against itself at the same clock speeds and memory clocks with different FSB speeds. It also makes me wonder whether overclockers will be best served by getting a chip with the highest available multiplier. If you max the chip out before reaching the board's maximum FSB, you may be losing some performance.
 
Originally posted by: Smartazz
Will these overclock well on the stock heatsinks, because they put out so little heat.
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Initial reports show they overclock quite well on air, but I have not seen anyone using a stock HS, so that is a little harder to say. As you note though, they run fairly cool, so I would guess you will get a decent overclock on stock HS, we'll just have to wait and see if that is 50% or 80% of what you can do with a good heatsink though.
 
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

You assume too much. Even with a theoretical FSB bottleneck, Conroe still kills anything AMD has on the market. What makes me curious are the raw integer and floating-point performance numbers Conroe and Woodcrest have generated versus their real-world performance numbers. If you look at Anandtech's own Woodcrest vs Opteron benchmarks, you'll see that the performance difference in raw integer and fp is staggering. When it comes to "real-world" benchmarks and synthetics, the difference in performance is still decidedly in Conroe's favor, but not to the same extent.

That makes me wonder exactly what it is that prevents Conroe from fully utilizing its incredible computational power. Is it suboptimal code? Is it the cache? FSB or memory subsystem?

My guess is it's the FSB, but I don't know enough to be sure. That's why I'm curious about how well Conroe would perform against itself at the same clock speeds and memory clocks with different FSB speeds. It also makes me wonder whether overclockers will be best served by getting a chip with the highest available multiplier. If you max the chip out before reaching the board's maximum FSB, you may be losing some performance.
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That is certainly a possiblity. My guess though is that the workloads Anand ran don't use much FP or Integer math but rather have lots of move/store/branching where Core does not have an advantage.
 
Originally posted by: Den
Originally posted by: Smartazz
Will these overclock well on the stock heatsinks, because they put out so little heat.
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Initial reports show they overclock quite well on air, but I have not seen anyone using a stock HS, so that is a little harder to say. As you note though, they run fairly cool, so I would guess you will get a decent overclock on stock HS, we'll just have to wait and see if that is 50% or 80% of what you can do with a good heatsink though.
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Then I probobly will leave the E6600 at stock speed(more than enough power) until I hook up my liquid cooling system. I just want to settle in the chip a little before overclocking, besides what need is there for overclocking a 2.4GHZ conroe, none yet, maybe later on.
 
Originally posted by: Smartazz

Then I probobly will leave the E6600 at stock speed(more than enough power) until I hook up my liquid cooling system. I just want to settle in the chip a little before overclocking, besides what need is there for overclocking a 2.4GHZ conroe, none yet, maybe later on.
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Yeah, that's exacrtly what I plan to do too. Start off stock then upgrade HS to better air one or maybe even water after a few months. Who knows though, if the fan on the new GPU is loud enough I may have to do it sooner though 🙂
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
What I'm wondering about Conroe is how much the chip is bottlenecked by its own FSB. The key to squeezing every ounce of performance out of Conroe may be to max the chip out while also maxing out your board's FSB limits.

If we could get a fair benchmark of Conroe chips squaring off at the same clock speed and approximately same memory speed with different FSB speeds, maybe we could get some idea of how much (or if) Conroe is limited by its FSB.
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Thats not an issue!
What we have here is typical AMD fanboi misinformation!!
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You have got to be joking.
Where in this entire paragraph is anything being said that's negative about Conroe? In fact, where is any mention of AMD in the paragraph?

I didn't know it was a crime to ponder CPU architecture.

:roll:
 
I think getting Conroe at launch won't be as bad as getting the newer motherboards, the 965... whatever they are.

Here is a question:

Why does the 965 chipset support ICH8, but the 975X only supports ICH7?

What is the difference?
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
I'm looking at an E6600 sometime in 2006. But the big question for me is which motherboard. Hell, which chipset? I've been deep in AMD land for the past decade, I've no clue on what I'm going to do other than the uprocessor itself. 🙁
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Best bet is the RD600 chipset from ATI. Asynchronous overclocking on fsb/memory.

I plan to buy E6600, low end of the 4MB cache, late 2006 or early 2007 primarily to install the game Crysis.

Then install liquid cooling on it after a year of use and take it to "extreme" speeds.

 
I'll get E6600 or E6700 and buy this rig within month after conroe release. And also, I'll plan to overclock either E6600 or E6700 in 2.8-3.0 GHz range on air.
 
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