Connecting Windows 10 and Windows 7, direct ethernet

[ArisVer]

I am using a crossover ethernet cable connecting the two computers.

Windows 10 is build 17120.
Ethernet shows as "Unidentified network" and "Private network" in network and sharing center.
I can see the Windows 7 computer but i cannot access the shared disk.

Windows 7 shows "Unidentified network" and "Home network" in network and sharing center.
And it cannot see the Windows 10 machine at all.

I have to mention that it worked for a while until I changed some settings or rebooted.
All advice are welcome.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ipconfig from both machines please.

Config should be static IP's, on same subnet, you can disable ipv6 on the adapters.

 

[ArisVer]

Windows 10
Ethernet adapter Ethernet:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::34e7:46ea:2f65:5e3d%17
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.137.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Windows 7
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::618d:c36:da6c:c3d1%11
Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address . . : 169.254.195.209
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Config should be static IP's, on same subnet, you can disable ipv6 on the adapters.

I have disabled ipv6 on both adapters.
I have configured the Windows 7 adapter with an IP address of 192.168.137.2 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 and they still do not connect.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Can you ping them?

And the ipconfig on the second output doesn't show that ip

 

[ArisVer]

The reply from both machines is "Destination host unreachable".

What I want is to share files between them AND share the internet connection of my Windows 10 computer through ICS as my router (repeater) is a floor below and has trouble connecting more than one computer (the stream goes on and off).

I also have an older router which has 3 lan and a wan port. Is it possible to use that instead of direct ethernet? It will be better as I also have 2 laptops. I did try connecting the Windows10 on both the wan and lan ports while the Windows 7 was on a lan port, but obviously it did not work.

And if this a better choice should I start a new thread?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wowsers. Slow down dude, youre all over the place.

First, when asking for help, try to say what you have, what's the need, and the end result you're looking for.

Second, yes, using the router would make this easier for you.

What is the model router?

Do you need to share internet?

Who is your ISP, and what hardware are they providing. Cable mode, dsl modem, etc...and what's the model number of that.

 

[ArisVer]

My ISP is the local (Cyprus - not USA) telephone company. They have placed their router (ZTE ZXDSL 931VII V3.0), two floors below outside the house, due to lack of quality line in the house. I setup a repeater one floor below and I connect to it wireless. When I try to connect more than 1-2 computers on the repeater the stream goes on and off. On one computer it works more or less fine.
Therefore if I use that computer to share the internet I should be better. The small time I had it working showed no problems at all.

Sharing the internet and networking them for disk sharing is what I am trying to achieve.

In the room I have a Tenda N304v2 which is the one I tried to use. It's flashed with the english firmware of the W303R router. Available ports: 3 LAN and 1 WAN.

 

[ch33zw1z]

wwwen.zte.com.cn/pub/en/products/access/cpe/201111/t20111110_262347.html

The zte doesn't indicate on the product page that it provides wireless....is the page inaccurate or is there another device in the mix?

 

[ArisVer]

On the page it does say:
"

• Supporting 802.11b/g/n"

You probably missed it.

 

[ArisVer]

Also the repeater on the first floor is a Xiaomi Mi Router 3.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ok, yea I missed it.

Have you tried setting up the tenda as the repeater?

Also, what's the chance you can run a cat5e from the zte to the upstairs?

 

[ArisVer]

I had Tenda as a repeater until a few months ago. Both the Tenda and Xiaomi are about the same as repeater, they are also in the same price range.

If I could place wires in the house it would have been done already (I can only place wires in this room). And if the ZTE could be placed were the repeater now is (1st floor), I wouldn't have many problems.

Besides I'd like to set the room network for fun, learning and usability.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So the tenda is dropping connections when it's the repeater?

The room network should all be layer 2, since the zte is your router (layer 3). So a repeater or bridge is the way to go. Youre basically looking more for a bridge though, it will maintain the connectivity over wireless, but allow LAN ports for the desktops, but won't provide wireless for the laptops.

Wireless like you're trying to do can be a real pitb, especially if you get even a medium amount of traffic to the Internet going from the upstairs.

The repeaters also cut the wireless bandwidth in half.

My suggestion at this point is find a bridge that is strong g enough to pickup the signal from the zte, then build the upstairs network behind that bridge. You can even use the tenda as WAP for upstairs devices.

 

[ArisVer]

I don't like your answer , I am looking to hook up 2 computers in a room.

 

[JackMDS]

Assuming that you want to use the Cross Cable for the connection.

On If even one computer is connected to another Network the cross over connection is separate it can not be straight on the same Network.

So temporary disable the the computer Wireless connection to the main Router and set a cross over connection based on Static setting of the cross over.use manual IPs like one computer on 192.168.100.1 and the other on 192.168.100.2

Set the sharing on both and make sure that it works.

Then configure the Wireless on th computer that can connect to the Main Router to act also as a Bridgr to its Wire connection.

https://www.wikihow.com/Bridge-an-Internet-Connection

 

[ArisVer]

Assuming that you want to use the Cross Cable for the connection.

Computers are old, a Core2Duo and a workstation with a Xeon from that era. I have also tested with a straight cable. Both cables get ping answers, but with the crossover cable I can get in from Windows 10 to Windows 7. I can see the W7 shared disk but cannot access it, and I can see the users/public folder.

So temporary disable the the computer Wireless connection to the main Router and set a cross over connection based on Static setting of the cross over.use manual IPs like one computer on 192.168.100.1 and the other on 192.168.100.2

All I can see is listed above. Windows 7 cannot see anything and Windows 10 can see Windows 7 but cannot access it. Both computers can ping each other.
I used 192.168.1.x for the IPV4 settings of the 2 computers LAN addresses.
My home network (ZTE, Xiaomi, and wireless devices including the Windows 10 WiFi), are on 192.168.10.x addresses.

I think what I have are permissions going wrong.


@ch33zw1z
My apologies if my previous post sounded offensive.
I know i really need to change that repeater to a good 100$ device but now is not the time.

 

[JackMDS]

Just having Hardware working and physically connect does not mean Functional Network.

From your previous post.
"Windows 7
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::618d:c36:da6c:c3d1%11
Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address . . : 169.254.195.209
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :"

"Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address . . : 169.254.195.209"

"IP 169.254.195.209" No functional Ethernet connection,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-sTtjF2IjI

 

[ArisVer]

Network connection details of Windows 10 adapter
"Connection-specific DNS Suffix:
Description: Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
Physical Address: ‎00-1F-29-01-87-76
DHCP Enabled: No
IPv4 Address: 192.168.1.9
IPv4 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
IPv4 Default Gateway:
IPv4 DNS Server:
IPv4 WINS Server:
NetBIOS over Tcpip Enabled: Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address: fe80::34e7:46ea:2f65:5e3d%17
IPv6 Default Gateway:
IPv6 DNS Servers: fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1, fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1, fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1"

I have reset some time ago this IPV4 address to 192.168.1.9
Sometimes it changes (by itself) to 192.168.137.1 (a previous setting as shown in that previous post)


Network connection details of Windows 7 adapter
"Connection-specific DNS Suffix:
Description: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Physical Address: ?00-19-DB-D0-CD-19
DHCP Enabled: No
IPv4 Address: 192.168.1.4
IPv4 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
IPv4 Default Gateway:
IPv4 DNS Server:
IPv4 WINS Server:
NetBIOS over Tcpip Enabled: Yes"


Nice video. Everything in video is checked and the computers should have seen each other by now.
Some tutorials I found said to try the homegroup option but in this version of Windows 10 the homegroup is missing.

 

[mxnerd]

Microsoft has retired HomeGroup beginning Insider Build 17063

https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/...windows-homegroup-latest-insider-build-17063/

 

[LurchFrinky]

Man, I wish I could find the webpage that solved this problem for me.
I have a lab at work with one hard drive shared to the network. There is a mix of XP, Win7, and we just added a Win10 machine.
The solution was to create a new certificate on the Win10 machine.
I'm sorry I can't remember more details on the solution or what I typed in Google to find it.

 

[ArisVer]

Maybe my Windows 10 has a problem (or this build).

Sometimes it changes (by itself) to 192.168.137.1 (a previous setting as shown in that previous post)

And again, without rebooting, logging off, or resetting the ethernet adapter, I found that the settings changed to "enabled DHCP" and has given me an address of 169.254.94.61

 

[mxnerd]

I didn't read the whole thread.

But if you are getting IP address that starts with 169.254, then it means there is no DHCO server found on the network even if you enable DHCP client service on the adapter.

 

[mxnerd]

If you are seeing 192.168.137.1 IP, you are using ICS. Disable it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uninstall+ics+windows+7

 

[JackMDS]

Enable does not help if there is No DHCP server to enable.

In almost all regular Home Network the DHCP is in the Router.

Each computer needs to be connected to the Router and be configured to work with it.

If you need to use the cross wire for a computer that is Not directly connected to the Router you need to Bridge it as mentioned in my post above.

ICS is the same as the Bridging mentioned by me.

 

[ArisVer]

And again, without rebooting, logging off, or resetting the ethernet adapter, I found that the settings changed to "enabled DHCP" and has given me an address of 169.254.94.61

I made a mistake here: the changed setting was "Optain an IP address automatically" and not DHCP, sorry for the extra confusion.

I did disable the ICS after Jacks post and looking at it now, it was on this address again (192.168.137.1) without any user input. I feel I wanna give up.