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Connecticut OKs Bill Pledging Electoral Votes To National Popular-Vote Winner

Could be finally be seeing a larger push to abolish the EC? I sure hope so.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180507

Connecticut is poised to commit its electoral votes to whichever U.S. presidential candidate wins the nation's popular vote — regardless of who wins the state.

By embracing the plan, Connecticut's General Assembly gave new momentum to a push to change the way Americans elect their president.

Ten states and the District of Columbia are already in a compact to pool their electoral votes and pledge them to the popular-vote winner. With Connecticut added, the compact's voting power would rise to 172 — fewer than 100 electoral votes away from the 270-vote majority that decides the presidential contest.

Connecticut's Senate gave final approval to the bill over the weekend, using a 21-14 vote to send the legislation to Gov. Dannel Malloy — who responded by saying, "I applaud the General Assembly for passing this commonsense legislation."

"With the exception of the presidency, every elected office in the country, from city council, to United States senator, to governor, is awarded the candidate who receives the most votes," Malloy said in a statement. "The vote of every American citizen should count equally, yet under the current system, voters from sparsely populated states are awarded significantly more power than those from states like Connecticut. This is fundamentally unfair."

NPR noted in 2016, it's mathematically possible for a candidate to win the U.S. presidency with less than 25 percent of the national popular vote.

All of the states that have so far committed to the pact are also states whose electoral votes went to Clinton in 2016.

Democrats have led the recent push to change the way the Electoral College works. But the National Popular Vote organization, which supports the move nationwide, says there is also bipartisan support for the bill.

The group cites the recent passage of popular-vote measures in three Republican-controlled legislative chambers: the Arizona House, the Oklahoma Senate and the New York Senate. In Connecticut's General Assembly, four Republican lawmakers voted in favor.

President Trump also seems to have endorsed the concept, saying last month, "The Electoral College is different. I would rather have the popular vote, because it's — to me, it's much easier to win."

Those remarks echoed what Trump said weeks after his victory. In both instances, he added that the strategy and rules are very different for winning electoral and popular votes.

On its website, National Popular Vote says its goal is to fix "shortcomings of the current system," in which winner-take-all rules have resulted in dozens of states being ignored during presidential campaigns.

That system, the group says, means that "presidential candidates have no reason to pay attention to the issues of concern to voters in states where the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion."

As proof, NPV points to data showing that in the 2012 general election, two-thirds of the campaign events were held in just four states: Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Iowa. Some 38 states "were ignored," the group said.

Five U.S. presidents have won office despite losing the popular vote nationwide.

In addition to Trump and George W. Bush, those presidents are John Quincy Adams (1824 — with an asterisk), Rutherford Hayes (1876) and Benjamin Harrison (1888).

On the federal level, Congress hasn't substantially changed the Electoral College system since the process was remade by the 12th Amendment in 1804.

In the late 1960s, the U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved a resolution for an amendment establishing the direct election of America's president and vice president. The measure failed in the Senate.

Backers of that proposal included President Richard Nixon, who said after the House approval that "the need for electoral reform was 'urgent and should be our controlling consideration,' " as CQ Almanac reported in 1969.
 
It will make campaigning a lot easier for the candidates, they'll only have to hit the east and west coast. Everyone in between won't even have to bother voting.
 
It will make campaigning a lot easier for the candidates, they'll only have to hit the east and west coast. Everyone in between won't even have to bother voting.
Comments like this don't even make mathematical sense...

Right now they only care about 5 or 6 six states, and everyone else can pound sand. If this passes, my vote in Oklahoma is worth just as much as a vote in Ohio. Right now a vote in Ohio is worth more than a thousand times my vote in Oklahoma.
 
It will make campaigning a lot easier for the candidates, they'll only have to hit the east and west coast. Everyone in between won't even have to bother voting.

Did you read?
As proof, NPV points to data showing that in the 2012 general election, two-thirds of the campaign events were held in just four states: Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Iowa. Some 38 states "were ignored," the group said.
 
Sounds like a step in the right direction. More states should follow suit, maybe enough will that an amendment won't be necessary. Donald the Dump is proof we got saddled with a belligerent demagogue who is unfit for office, something the EC is supposed to prevent. Sparsely populated state voters getting more of a say than other state voters needs to stop. It is time we embrace this radical concept of the person getting the most votes winning the race.

The other non amendment option might be for states to follow Maine and Nebraska, allow those EC votes to be split up instead of winner take all. Something needs to happen.
 
It will make campaigning a lot easier for the candidates, they'll only have to hit the east and west coast. Everyone in between won't even have to bother voting.

because that's obviously less campaigning than is done now, where candidates criss cross the country with major events in texas, oklahoma, california, new york, nebraska, illinois, montana, oregon, kentucky, alabama, mississippi, massachusetts, etc.

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That sure flew under that radar here in CT. I watch the local news every morning (up until the weather forecast at least) and read the major state newspaper and I don't recall even hearing about this. The big issues now are the never-ending budget crisis and will the state go back to having toll highways again.

Does this take effect immediately or is there a threshold that a certain number of states have to sign on board before this takes effect? That was a crucial aspect of many of the past proposals for this sort of law.
 
Very interesting, and informative. But the states elect the president, not the people.
The reality is that it wouldn't matter at all if we could get either of the two party's to come up with actual humans as candidates.

It would be one thing if a majority of Americans had been sufficiently gullible to elect Trump. Thanks to the EC, he didn't need a majority. Imagine how nuts his devotees would be had he lost the way he won.

The EC followed the popular vote in every election between 1888 & 2000 so it wasn't an issue until GWB won. Even that wasn't too horrendous because he was within .5% of Gore. Trump lost the popular vote by 2.1% but it's full speed ahead with a radical & divisive agenda. A decent person wouldn't act that way under the circumstances but nobody makes that attribution to Trump, do they?

The GOP hasn't cared about anything but the lootocracy since Reagan & their voters are mostly in it for the Liberal tears at this point. I mean, they're sure as Hell not getting anything else out of it other than screwed.
 
That sure flew under that radar here in CT. I watch the local news every morning (up until the weather forecast at least) and read the major state newspaper and I don't recall even hearing about this. The big issues now are the never-ending budget crisis and will the state go back to having toll highways again.

Does this take effect immediately or is there a threshold that a certain number of states have to sign on board before this takes effect? That was a crucial aspect of many of the past proposals for this sort of law.
There are tripwires that would cancel this out. Elimination of the EC is one.

Q. Are you ok with your state .gov saying we don't care how you voted, our EC votes are going to the national popular vote winner?
 
That sure flew under that radar here in CT. I watch the local news every morning (up until the weather forecast at least) and read the major state newspaper and I don't recall even hearing about this. The big issues now are the never-ending budget crisis and will the state go back to having toll highways again.

Does this take effect immediately or is there a threshold that a certain number of states have to sign on board before this takes effect? That was a crucial aspect of many of the past proposals for this sort of law.

When signatory states have 270 EC votes the compact would come into force.
 
There are tripwires that would cancel this out. Elimination of the EC is one.

Q. Are you ok with your state .gov saying we don't care how you voted, our EC votes are going to the national popular vote winner?

Yes. My vote for President shouldn't count more or less than anybody else's vote.
 
Q. Are you ok with your state .gov saying we don't care how you voted, our EC votes are going to the national popular vote winner?
Absolutely. Yes because then your vote will finally mean something. In addition, it will no longer be outweighed by the vote of someone else who just chose to live elsewhere.

There are people in this countries who's votes are statistically 10-14x more important than mine. Why should that be? I'm paying taxes just like they are.
 
Bypassing the electoral college would be a step in the right direction, since it doesn’t seem likely that it will be tweaked to make it work at least somewhat more reasonable, and essentially zero chance that it will be rescinded all together.
 
Absolutely. Yes because then your vote will finally mean something. In addition, it will no longer be outweighed by the vote of someone else who just chose to live elsewhere.

There are people in this countries who's votes are statistically 10-14x more important than mine. Why should that be? I'm paying taxes just like they are.
So if you and the majority of Connecticutans voted for candidate X but the majority of the rest of the country voted for candidate Y, your states EC votes would go to Y. You're OK with this? Your vote at that point would mean nothing.
 
There are tripwires that would cancel this out. Elimination of the EC is one.

Q. Are you ok with your state .gov saying we don't care how you voted, our EC votes are going to the national popular vote winner?

This could create more leverage for the voters under the right circumstances.

In this case, CT is a populous state, but votes reliably blue, ergo they get ignored.

Under this system, it does create incentive for an opposing party candidate to at least compete for some votes to try and create a popular vote win and take the EC. Conversely, the Ds will have to pay more attention to CT to not allow leakage in the firewall.

Net effect is that CT issues are elevated.

Now i think it's difficult to move the needle much by themselves, but if a few "ignored" states joined in, it could change the dynamics of the campaign strategies.
 
So if you and the majority of Connecticutans voted for candidate X but the majority of the rest of the country voted for candidate Y, your states EC votes would go to Y. You're OK with this? Your vote at that point would mean nothing.
Yes. My vote played equally in determining the final candidate.

I wouldn't be upset at the rules if I voted for a guy who lost the popular vote. Why would I be? If the NPV accord reaches the 270 EC threshold, my vote functionally works the same as was if all the states agreed to it. In the setting you describe, basically for connecticut to give their votes to someone I didn't vote for means that I voted for someone who didn't win the popular vote, which pretty much everyone agrees (yes even richard nixon) is the fair and honest way to elect a president.

That sure flew under that radar here in CT. I watch the local news every morning (up until the weather forecast at least) and read the major state newspaper and I don't recall even hearing about this. The big issues now are the never-ending budget crisis and will the state go back to having toll highways again.

Does this take effect immediately or is there a threshold that a certain number of states have to sign on board before this takes effect? That was a crucial aspect of many of the past proposals for this sort of law.
It only takes effect when they reach 270. Otherwise it's just more symbolic than anything.
 
Yes. My vote played equally in determining the final candidate.

I wouldn't be upset at the rules if I voted for a guy who lost the popular vote. Why would I be? If the NPV accord reaches the 270 EC threshold, my vote functionally works the same as was if all the states agreed to it. In the setting you describe, basically for connecticut to give their votes to someone I didn't vote for means that I voted for someone who didn't win the popular vote, which pretty much everyone agrees (yes even richard nixon) is the fair and honest way to elect a president.


It only takes effect when they reach 270. Otherwise it's just more symbolic than anything.
In the scenario I described your vote, and the majority voters in CT, are being ignored. The state is going to cast it's EC votes based on how everyone else votes, in direct contradiction of how CT voted.
 
In the scenario I described your vote, and the majority voters in CT, are being ignored. The state is going to cast it's EC votes based on how everyone else votes, in direct contradiction of how CT voted.

And in accord with the majority of Americans.

The EC & the 3/5 rule about slaves were an inducement for slave states to ratify the Constitution. It granted them a greater say in the federal govt than they actually deserved. It should have been abolished with slavery.
 
In the scenario I described your vote, and the majority voters in CT, are being ignored. The state is going to cast it's EC votes based on how everyone else votes, in direct contradiction of how CT voted.

It’s going to be glorious watching the gnashing of teeth and attempted backtracking when the GOP wins the popular vote and Dems win the EC in some future election. And are subsequently forced by SCOTUS to hand the White House to the party their citizens voted against.
 
It’s going to be glorious watching the gnashing of teeth and attempted backtracking when the GOP wins the popular vote and Dems win the EC in some future election. And are subsequently forced by SCOTUS to hand the White House to the party their citizens voted against.

They seem to be ok with it. If I lived in one of the states that adopted this, I'd be furious.
 
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