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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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You don't think this act of violence was politically motivated?

What where his reasons? Tell me please I am all ears.

As someone else said earlier in the thread "Political assassinations are done for some sort of discernible political gains" this had nothing to do with any political gains by any political party in this nation.

This was the action of a whack job who should of been in a padded cell the moment he started exhibiting signs of dangerous mental illness.
 
From http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt:

"In Egypt, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted."

"In Egypt, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed without a permit (with some restrictions)."


Self-ownage ftw :biggrin:

I was not talking about Egypt. I was talking all the time about the US.
Egypt came into the subject because of the goodwill offer from the Muslims so much of you complain are not existing.

But as you i can pull up random pieces of information. Although your website is a US pro gun website. And not an Egyptian website. If i am right, getting a gun in Egypt is not as easy as in the US.



8 people were shot dead when a worker at a beer and wine distributor opened fire with a .223 calibre semi-automatic rifle in Hartford, Connecticut (USA) on 3 August. The shooting took place during a shift change and up to 40 people were inside the warehouse. Earlier in the week a masked gunman with an assault rifle killed two and injured six at a party in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and former Indiana political leader said “We make it too easy for dangerous people to arm themselves - people like the angry, severely troubled man who murdered co-workers in Hartford. And we allow public access to military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, like the shooter in Indianapolis... There must come a day when we do something about this, rather than just shrug and say it’s inevitable”.


A month earlier, Egypt was shaken by a rare event, a mass shooting by a civilian. A 53-year-old construction company bus driver stopped his bus in the outskirts of Cairo and opened fire on the 23 passengers, his fellow employees. Eight people were killed and at least six were wounded.


An editorial in Daily News Egypt, citing facts from gunpolicy.org, claims that while Egypt's laws on gun ownership are restrictive, corruption, trafficking and poor law enforcement mean that guns are easily available on the illegal market. "Illegal gun possession isn’t like ignoring a red traffic light or public urination. Whether or not it is intentional, any laxity in the enforcement of gun control in Egypt will cost innocent lives ", said the editor.


IANSA member Ayman Sorour of PROTECTION Against Armaments & Consequences agreed: "While we have quite strong laws on arms ownership, we clearly do not have the same standards in applying them". He added, "Illegal trade of guns and other arms is common in some parts of Egypt, especially rural areas. This should be a priority for police forces to avoid an increase in civilian casualties".


Sherif Azer of the Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights pointed out that even the laws that are in place have serious loopholes. He called for stronger and more consistent gun legislation.

But still crazy people kill and when guns are allowed, it is also easy to shoot.
 
It is true that about the US forcing the EU their GM products through use of the IMF. It is true that US lobbyists are trying to remove every eu legislation to allow untested experimental gm food on the european market and without a label that clearly shows that the food is GM food.

That would be so awesome if it happened. If the Europeans accepted science maybe they will stop their ongoing genocide. How many more billions must die for Europeans to be satisfied? I say zero. Now is the time for the world to crush the European onslaught once and for all.
 
I think for myself, therefore I know that you are a joke on yourself. I don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize you spew shit that comes out of your head because some other pseudo intellectual shithead told you it was so because you think it's cool to be a non-conformist. You are the "dumb idiot" that has wool pulled over his eyes because you are too easy to manipulate.

I'm actually a spoiled brat in the body of a young spoiled man. So you suck at human analysis.

A god, another dominiq seraph loon.

Nobody told me this, but the difference is that i can think and think about consequences. But you still have not given me any answer. There is one thing that i would like to ask you :

Do you not have an ass that your mouth stinks that bad , hmm ?

Or is it that you have been born dumb, cradled silly and never learned anything any more in your life ?

That would be so awesome if it happened. If the Europeans accepted science maybe they will stop their ongoing genocide. How many more billions must die for Europeans to be satisfied? I say zero. Now is the time for the world to crush the European onslaught once and for all.

You are such a troll.
 
It seems that many Americans are de-integrating from society even though their ancestors have been in this country for centuries. This guy, the Tea Party, etc. are all examples of Americans de-integrating. Hopefully some sociologists will examine this phenomenon.
 
Interesting, probably no connection but still people should put a little more thought into these slogans.

Jesse Kelly, meanwhile, doesn't seem to be bothered in the least by the Sarah Palin controversy earlier this year, when she released a list of targeted races in crosshairs, urging followers to "reload" and "aim" for Democrats. Critics said she was inciting violence.


He seems to be embracing his fellow tea partier's idea. Kelly's campaign event website has a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: "Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/gov...cle_349e18b8-ec64-5fd7-b347-afe7f1778a47.html
 
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It seems that many Americans are de-integrating from society even though their ancestors have been in this country for centuries. This guy, the Tea Party, etc. are all examples of Americans de-integrating. Hopefully some sociologists will examine this phenomenon.

I think in this case, this guy was just bouncing the echos of all the hate talk, in his already demented, delusional mind.
 
Just like that tea partier Joseph Stack right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash

Oh oops, he was a left wing socialist communist loliberal just like this Jared Lee.

Yup, wasn't the school board shooter a liberal as well?

Some people are just mentally fucked, its not the political ideologies that make them shoot people just like it wasn't Doom or Marilyn Manson that caused the Columbine shootings.
Its pretty sad what the world has come to in regards to playing the blame game for political reasons, but I called it in my first page of this thread, I even mentioned Sarah Palin would somehow be to blame.

If anything this thread and event has clearly shown which posters are whacked in the head. If you don't realize that this incident was not politically motivated, the work of a schizo madman and you are still insistent on blaming other people (Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Rush, the Tea Party, etc) whom had nothing to do with this incident at all then you clearly need to be put in a padded cell IMHO.

This x1000
 
Yup, wasn't the school board shooter a liberal as well?

Some people are just mentally fucked, its not the political ideologies that make them shoot people just like it wasn't Doom or Marilyn Manson that caused the Columbine shootings.
Its pretty sad what the world has come to in regards to playing the blame game for political reasons, but I called it in my first page of this thread, I even mentioned Sarah Palin would somehow be to blame.



This x1000

Wow, he quotes something from communist doctrine with no context. And that's your evidence that he was a full blown liberal. Need to reel those arms back in folks.
 
From http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt:
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I take it back, it is not a US based website :

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Wow, he quotes something from communist doctrine with no context. And that's your evidence that he was a full blown liberal. Need to reel those arms back in folks.

Uhh, there was actually a decent amount more evidence than that, but thats not my point.

I'm saying he's probably as much as a liberal as this guy is a teapartier or whatever you or other people here want to make him out to be. I don't blame liberal ideology, politicians, or rhetoric for what he did and I don't blame Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, or conservatives for what this guy did. My point is, some people are just nuts.
 
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Yes lets ban any allegoric statements forEVEEEA !!!

I didn't say anything about banning allegoric statements. Its kind of funny how in this situation your mind took something I said and changed it to mean something completely different. :whiste:

I said they should use some sense. First off they're risking someone taking that literally, and second when someone gets assasinated people are going to look at those who campaigned on these slogans and be suspicious so their just putting themselves at unnecessary risk.
 
It seems that many Americans are de-integrating from society even though their ancestors have been in this country for centuries. This guy, the Tea Party, etc. are all examples of Americans de-integrating. Hopefully some sociologists will examine this phenomenon.

I have your billion dollar answer:

People are getting sick of being told what to do by other people.

Unfortunately this is only the beginning because some people are too dense to understand that and back the fawk off. They will just try to tell them what to do even more, and use force to coerce them to do it if they don't want to, and thus violence ensues. It's an endless cycle until the pot boils over, and unlike the political unrest in Iran and various other places we've seen lately, American citizens turning to violence won't be squashed instantly by a couple bicycle cops with sticks.
 
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I didn't say anything about banning allegoric statements. Its kind of funny how in this situation your mind took something I said and changed it to mean something completely different. :whiste:

I said they should use some sense. First off they're risking someone taking that literally, and second when someone gets assasinated people are going to look at those who campaigned on these slogans and be suspicious so their just putting themselves at unnecessary risk.

This is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. Lets see. Time will tell if this is teaparty central :whiste:
 
I didn't say anything about banning allegoric statements. Its kind of funny how in this situation your mind took something I said and changed it to mean something completely different. :whiste:

I said they should use some sense. First off they're risking someone taking that literally, and second when someone gets assasinated people are going to look at those who campaigned on these slogans and be suspicious so their just putting themselves at unnecessary risk.

You conclusions is complete tripe. Crazy people will do as they please no matter what you say or do period. Crazy people need no motives to ::gasp:: commit crazy acts or crazy acts of violence::gasp:: outside of what is fueling their insanity in their minds. Did you even take a look at the music this nutcase used on one of his videos (Drowning Pool's - "Let the bodies hit the floor") should similar music be censored or artist use the same type of caution you are advocating as well in the future because of the fear of how a crazy person may react to it??
 
This thread makes me weep for humanity.

Seriously, some of you guys are so full of hatred that I wonder how you even function in society.
 
You conclusions is complete tripe. Crazy people will do as they please no matter what you say or do period. Crazy people need no motives to ::gasp:: commit crazy acts or crazy acts of violence::gasp::

true. but it sure helps to have voices besides the ones in your head telling you to do crazy stuff
 
You conclusions is complete tripe. Crazy people will do as they please no matter what you say or do period. Crazy people need no motives to ::gasp:: commit crazy acts or crazy acts of violence::gasp:: outside of what is fueling their insanity in their minds. Did you even take a look at the music this nutcase used on one of his videos (Drowning Pool's - "Let the bodies hit the floor") should similar music be censored or artist use the same type of caution you are advocating as well in the future because of the fear of how a crazy person may react to it??

I never said all crazies required motives or encouragement, but some certainly are motivated by outside causes and ideas.

I even explained in my previous post why politicians still should avoid these slogans when crazies aren't motivated by them specifically, and you just ignore it.

Let me know when drowning pool comes out with "Let Gifford's Body Hit The Floor".


Great example. If his opponent was killed people who immediately begin to question why he ran those ads whether they were responsible or not, he's putting himself (and possible his opponent) in unnecessary risk.
 
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"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," Dupnik said. "Unfortunately, Arizona has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
 
The Sheriff even points out what we all know in a huge no duh moment that the hateful rhetoric coming from the right is pushing these unstable people over the edge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9lNRiUWg

And here the right is trying to pull false equivalence already. You folks need to rethink your shit if you call yourselves Americans.

With free speech comes responsibility, the right wing talk radio ratings whores making hateful stuff up because they can era needs to end. Not cool anymore, nor was it ever.
 
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