Congressman Pete Stark mocks citizen "THE BORDERS ARE QUITE SECURE"

[Brigandier]

I think he said "the boarders are secure".

 

[theeedude]

I don't...but, then again, I'm skilled enough so that I don't have to.

There are, however, plenty of unskilled Americans and legal immigrants who would probably be happy to.

Probably is not good enough. When you find enough rednecks to take those jobs, then we'll talk.

 

[chucky2]

Probably is not good enough. When you find enough rednecks to take those jobs, then we'll talk.

You handle it like this:

Your public assitance benefits will be sent to your field supervisor to be picked up each week.

 

[chucky2]

So they do care that it's X cents cheaper, and don't care if it's picked by illegals. So producers are hiring illegals to pick it X cents cheaper. They are giving consumers what they want and don't care about what consumers don't care about. Again, money talks, BS walks.

And if the produce went up a few cents, no one would care. They wouldn't even notice. Do you notice if the head of lettuce went from 89c to 97c? No.

For the relatively few who did/do notice: Tough. Them noticing and having a problem with it is dwarfed by the benefits of solving illegal immigration.

To actually make the argument we should allow illegal immigration to continue so as to have cheaper produce (measured in cents no less) is akin to saying we should have allowed slavery to continue to we'd have cheaper cotton.

As you seriously F'ing saying you're for that? Really?????

Chuck

 

[theeedude]

You handle it like this:

Your public assitance benefits will be sent to your field supervisor to be picked up each week.

Great, now have Republicans run on that platform.

 

[theeedude]

And if the produce went up a few cents, no one would care. They wouldn't even notice. Do you notice if the head of lettuce went from 89c to 97c? No.

For the relatively few who did/do notice: Tough. Them noticing and having a problem with it is dwarfed by the benefits of solving illegal immigration.

To actually make the argument we should allow illegal immigration to continue so as to have cheaper produce (measured in cents no less) is akin to saying we should have allowed slavery to continue to we'd have cheaper cotton.

As you seriously F'ing saying you're for that? Really?????

Chuck

It's going to go up way more than that, and at that point, foreign competition from Latin America is going to eat our farmers alive. They will still have access to cheap labor, don't forget that.
BTW, your slavery rant is borderline (to put it nicely) regarded. These migrants are here of their own free will because it's economic opportunity for them. It's voluntary supply of labor meeting voluntary demand for labor. That's capitalism, that's freedom. You want to put a fence between people who want to work and people who want to hire them. That's slavery.

 

[ParStyles]

Do you want to work in the fields?

Nope, but I don't want to work in the ER as a trauma surgeon neither so should we bring an illegals to perform that?

 

[theeedude]

Nope, but I don't want to work in the ER as a trauma surgeon neither so should we bring an illegals to perform that?

If they have requisite education and board certifications, sure.

 

[sandorski]

And if the produce went up a few cents, no one would care. They wouldn't even notice. Do you notice if the head of lettuce went from 89c to 97c? No.

For the relatively few who did/do notice: Tough. Them noticing and having a problem with it is dwarfed by the benefits of solving illegal immigration.

To actually make the argument we should allow illegal immigration to continue so as to have cheaper produce (measured in cents no less) is akin to saying we should have allowed slavery to continue to we'd have cheaper cotton.

As you seriously F'ing saying you're for that? Really?????

Chuck

Senseamp is correct on this point. US Produce Growers do not compete in a vacuum. They have foreign competition(one major competitor being Mexico)to deal with. So what would likely occur at the Super Market is not an increase in the Price of Produce, but a change in who Supplies the Produce.

Where he''s wrong(ish) is on who is to blame. Certainly the Consumer would put the American Produce Grower(many anyway)out of business do to their desire for Cheap Produce. So in that sense he's Right, but on the other hand the Consumer isn't being vindictive in that choice, so "Blame" is a little too strong a word. Much of this wording is from the "Buy America first" mindset, a noble endeavour(for Americans anyway), but fraught with problems as "Made in the USA" isn't as compelling as a Low Price for equal quality.

One way to avoid these issues is to Grant special Work Visas specifically designed for Agricultural Labour.

 

[drebo]

It's going to go up way more than that, and at that point, foreign competition from Latin America is going to eat our farmers alive. They will still have access to cheap labor, don't forget that.
BTW, your slavery rant is borderline (to put it nicely) regarded. These migrants are here of their own free will because it's economic opportunity for them. It's voluntary supply of labor meeting voluntary demand for labor. That's capitalism, that's freedom. You want to put a fence between people who want to work and people who want to hire them. That's slavery.

If my produce going up a bit means my tax liability goes down (you know, since those illegals will all be gone because there won't be any jobs), I'm OK with that.

The problem is that my tax liability WON'T go down, because, as I said before, the small percentage of illegal immigrants that hold these produce jobs isn't going to make any significant reduction in the number of illegals still here and consuming public services paid for by me.

Close the border, deport the illegals, and reform minimum wage law and small business owners will no longer have an inscentive to employ illegal immigrants.

 

[theeedude]

It's not about blame or not blame. It's about cause and effect. Blame implies something immoral is going on here, and there isn't.
Consumers get what they are willing to pay for. Jews get Kosher, Muslims get Halal, Yuppies get Organic, Hippies get Vegan. All are willing to pay for having their food certifiably meet their demands. Average American wants Cheapest, farmers give them Cheapest. If tomorrow average American wants American picked and is willing to put his money where his mouth is, the farmer will give them American picked. Until then, money talks, BS walks. You can scream about illegal immigration till your face turns blue, as long as you are paying money for illegal produced goods and services, it's going to do as much good as the drug war.

 

[RedChief]

This is Pete Stark were talking about. A few years back he called a constituent and left a message on the guys answering machine swearing him out. The msg was played back on local news and nothing happened.

The residents of the East SF bay will reelect this guy because they follow the Democrat party line and he's the party.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Yes, these people are not here on vacation, they are here to make some money, which ultimately comes from the grocery buying consumers.
Currently consumers demand their groceries as cheap as possible, not "American picked," they are speaking much louder with their wallets than they are with their ballots.

Um, so it's not the companies producing the produce or selling it to the consumer? They aren't trying to increase profits? They are just doing it out of the kindness of their hearts to bring a low cost product to the stores?
You're delusional if you think it's the end users that are the big problem.

 

[bfdd]

Probably is not good enough. When you find enough rednecks to take those jobs, then we'll talk.

*yawn* really? One of my very first jobs was working along side illegals(I got paid exactly the same 10 dollars an hour under the table) digging home foundations, doing home demolition, etc. The work isn't hard and if I needed a job again I'd gladly take 10 dollars an hour cash to do it again. I've done harder worker for less.

 

[chucky2]

It's going to go up way more than that, and at that point, foreign competition from Latin America is going to eat our farmers alive. They will still have access to cheap labor, don't forget that.
BTW, your slavery rant is borderline (to put it nicely) regarded. These migrants are here of their own free will because it's economic opportunity for them. It's voluntary supply of labor meeting voluntary demand for labor. That's capitalism, that's freedom. You want to put a fence between people who want to work and people who want to hire them. That's slavery.

No, it's not going to go up anymore than that as you're talking about shitloads of produce vs. paying - relatively - a few more people a few more bucks...if any.

The problem is the farmers, instead of paying them in cash and be done with it w/o all the accounting BS, will have to verify they're here legally, get them setup as workers, pay them taking taxes out, etc. etc. etc.

Farmers don't want to do that...they want to farm, not account. I don't really blame them on that point, however, they're the ones that wanted to run a business and hire people, and that's what one has to do in this country.

You want to keep this slave labor going, so you can get your lettuce for 10c less a head. You are one selfish F'ing bastard, F*cuk whatever other excuses you come up with. You're fine with exploiting these people for what is probably $50 a year to you, if that....sick f*ck.

Chuck

 

[theeedude]

Emo, but weak.

 

[chucky2]

Emo, but weak.

Whatever. Why don't you go photochop a nice new logo for your name, maybe you whipping a brown skinned person while you eat an apple they picked, with a packed change pocket with all the pennies you saved...nice and accurate for you.

You are unreal, seriously. I wonder if you've ever done a bust ass day of work in your life....

Chuck

 

[UberNeuman]

senseamp - as you can see, some folks don't like the truth......

\without demand, there's no supply....
\\as cheaply as possible, of course......

 

[Acanthus]

When most of your voters are illegal immigrants of course he's going to take this position.

They cant vote.

 

[theeedude]

Whatever. Why don't you go photochop a nice new logo for your name, maybe you whipping a brown skinned person while you eat an apple they picked, with a packed change pocket with all the pennies you saved...nice and accurate for you.

You are unreal, seriously. I wonder if you've ever done a bust ass day of work in your life....

Chuck

A brown skinned person who is here of his own accord because working the fields here is better than the fate you have in store for him, which is having him and his family starve in Mexico instead. Yes, you really care about those brown skinned folk... Emo.

 

[Craig234]

*yawn* really? One of my very first jobs was working along side illegals(I got paid exactly the same 10 dollars an hour under the table) digging home foundations, doing home demolition, etc. The work isn't hard and if I needed a job again I'd gladly take 10 dollars an hour cash to do it again. I've done harder worker for less.

So, you are a criminal (tax law), a tax cheat not paying for your share like the rest of society for the cost of our society, and dishonest (false taxes)? Did I read that correctly?

I have a lot of sympathy for the low-paid manual labor - why I support big progressivism in the tax code that might give you zero taxes - but not if you then have pro-rich policies.

 

[bfdd]

So, you are a criminal (tax law), a tax cheat not paying for your share like the rest of society for the cost of our society, and dishonest (false taxes)? Did I read that correctly?

I have a lot of sympathy for the low-paid manual labor - why I support big progressivism in the tax code that might give you zero taxes - but not if you then have pro-rich policies.

I've paid more than my fair share of taxes and I took the job because I was a high school drop out with a GED. I needed money, I could make more than working at McDonalds and I knew I could get a job doing it. I've done these jobs, it's not that bad and 10 bucks an hour no taxes is 15+ with them. Over twice minimum wage. This whole jobs Americans won't do thing is bullshit if I needed a job again I'd have no qualms about picking up a sledge hammer or shovel and going to work. I've spent a good many hours behind a goddamn shovel, I've shoveled a tunnel of coke 3 feet high to get in and work on a conveyor belt, I've hand mixed and carried in 5 gallon buckets over 2 tons of cement in a day, I've done some goddamn hard work and there's not a fucking thing illegals do I wouldn't do if I needed the work.

 

[MotF Bane]

So, you are a criminal (tax law), a tax cheat not paying for your share like the rest of society for the cost of our society, and dishonest (false taxes)? Did I read that correctly?

I have a lot of sympathy for the low-paid manual labor - why I support big progressivism in the tax code that might give you zero taxes - but not if you then have pro-rich policies.

No better than the illegals, or some of the Democrats recently. Let's remember to apply the law equally, in fairness, right, Craig? :awe:

 

[Craig234]

I've paid more than my fair share of taxes...

Apparently not, 'under the table'.

 

[Hacp]

Senseamp is correct on this point. US Produce Growers do not compete in a vacuum. They have foreign competition(one major competitor being Mexico)to deal with. So what would likely occur at the Super Market is not an increase in the Price of Produce, but a change in who Supplies the Produce.

Where he''s wrong(ish) is on who is to blame. Certainly the Consumer would put the American Produce Grower(many anyway)out of business do to their desire for Cheap Produce. So in that sense he's Right, but on the other hand the Consumer isn't being vindictive in that choice, so "Blame" is a little too strong a word. Much of this wording is from the "Buy America first" mindset, a noble endeavour(for Americans anyway), but fraught with problems as "Made in the USA" isn't as compelling as a Low Price for equal quality.

One way to avoid these issues is to Grant special Work Visas specifically designed for Agricultural Labour.

Visas? NO. The reason US farmers might not be competative is because of the laws in the US. These laws let prospective employees suck on the government tit. They don't have to do a day's hard labor to survive. Get rid of the entitlements and they now have a choice. Work the fields for food and shelter or starve to death out in the cold.