Congressional Approval

[justoh]

I do find myself wondering at what point conservatives decided that ignorant and crazy was something to be proud of.

sunday school? always?

 

[JEDIYoda]

All I was saying that decisions like these should be consistent. We are paying congress to do a job, let them do it.

Their job is to do nothing?? Interesting concept. Get paid for doing nothing!! or get paid for being obstructionists!

 

[werepossum]

If Congress fails to give the President authority to act then the President should not act. The Constitution is quite clear that the power to declare war is with Congress, not the President. Obviously, we have had a generation or two of craven Congresses that have failed in their responsibilites with respect to the Constitution in their failure to rein in over-reaching Presidents.

Agreed. The latitude given a President is to allow him to start needed actions before Congress gets through harrumphing, not to allow a President to be a dictator.

Of course, if Obama acts without Congress then he is acting within his defined war powers on the assumption that his actions are needed and will be backed up by Congress. Congress then has the responsibility to either reel him in or back him up. As far as what Congress will do, I assume it will be whatever polls best. As far as what Congress SHOULD do, there are two theories on dealing with the Middle East. Neither works.

 

[Fern]

Obama wanted a vote on Syria to give him cover. Polling showed Syria was unpopular. It would also give him an 'out' for his 'red line' threat.

The mid terms are coming up and most democrats up for election do NOT want to have to take a stand on military action, thus there will be no vote sought.

It's all politics.

Fern

 

[drebo]

It's sad to watch really. Last year when he sought Congressional support for action in Syria he was called weak and some went so far as to suggest he was underming the authority of the Office of the President by not taking action. Now when he says fine I'll just do it they all whine and cry that he isn't seeking Congressional approval.

What about those of us who thought we shouldn't have had any involvement in Syria to begin with?

Obama could win me over. All he'd have to do is close 50% of our overseas military bases, remove all troops from and end all civilian contracts for the Middle East, and use the troops to watch our borders and build a wall. If he did those things, I would vote for him for a third term.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

What about those of us who thought we shouldn't have had any involvement in Syria to begin with?

Obama could win me over. All he'd have to do is close 50% of our overseas military bases, remove all troops from and end all civilian contracts for the Middle East, and use the troops to watch our borders and build a wall. If he did those things, I would vote for him for a third term.

Those people are scarce so no one cares about them. Most people who are now only are so because being so means their side is "winning."

 

[sportage]

I just gotta say, as a flaming liberal of sorts, I just gotta say that President Obama is a bit of a schmuck.
Obama gave GW hell for his GW war(s), but now the tide has turned and this president just might have finally realized there is a huge difference between looking in from the outside, and hands on within the inside.
Like that saying, living in glass houses and tossing stones.
Obama thought he was pretty cocky tossing stones when he was outside looking in.
And now, one can only imagine what is going on inside his noggin.
The anti-war president suddenly is all war.

And to top it off, Obama desires the congress to go along, yet did not Obama himself vote ney when GW asked for his support while serving as senator?
And to make things worse, Obama gave Hillary hell for her yea vote when they ran for president.

This, for me, just makes this president look a bit naive, to say the least.
Someone that has a talent for giving a good speech, but obviously quite wet behind the ears.
This does not look good for his legacy.
And in all comparison actually boosts the legacy of GW.

So how does this work? An anti war president embracing war?
And really, does the beheading of two American's that should have never been over there in the first place, and knew too well the dangers and risks involved, does that justify a war?

Are we turning into that same guy that shot the black lady knocking on his door at 2am believing she was some thug up to no good? Should we not first take a long pause, sit back, and reevaluate exactly what the facts are and what we are getting into.
And in all fairness, is there really any substantiated threat to America or the so called and so labeled "homeland" from this small band of thugs far over in another land?

Remove all the media hype and media crapola that ISIS is around every corner, in every neighborhood, under every bed, and after removing all that isn't this just another attempt to control our fears?
Because if the polls are in fact accurate, and I seriously doubt they are, the polls suggest this attempt by the media to make ISIS into the biggest boogieman around is working.
In reality, all that ISIS consist of are a small band of thugs with hoods and some guns with expired warranties that were left behind by American troops.
The have no ability to threaten the so called homeland, other than relying on the American media to do all their dirty work for them. And that tactic just might work.
The American news media working hand in hand with ISIS.
Now that's something new, NOT.

So again I have to wonder and ask, just what the hell is going on inside the noggin of this president? Could it have anything to do with the November elections coming up?
And his legacy, or lack of.

Hey Mr President, don't be a schmuck, you embarrass yourself much.
And no wonder leaders like Putin could not give a damn about what Obama says or doesn't say. Would you take this presidents word seriously?

Obama is setting himself up to be greatly embarrassed by congress with his asking for a war vote.
Something that congress lives every day in hopes of doing. That embarrassment of the silly black guy in the whitehouse.
.
.

 

[Zorkorist]

Good post, sportage.

Someone once said we don't bow to terrorists. We don't pay ransom.

It's the same if they kill people.

We don't care... but they might.

A war should not be fought on two people beheaded, unless they are a culmination of atrocities. or represent an idea so abhorrent to the American populace as to be designated animal.

When you really look at it, you have Muslim killing Muslim, and that has been going on for hundreds or years.

Drop a few bombs every now and then.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

But, that also means we have to clamp down on Muslims in America.

Are you OK with that?

-John

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I just gotta say, as a flaming liberal of sorts, I just gotta say that President Obama is a bit of a schmuck.
Obama gave GW hell for his GW war(s), but now the tide has turned and this president just might have finally realized there is a huge difference between looking in from the outside, and hands on within the inside.
Like that saying, living in glass houses and tossing stones.
Obama thought he was pretty cocky tossing stones when he was outside looking in.
And now, one can only imagine what is going on inside his noggin.
The anti-war president suddenly is all war.

And to top it off, Obama desires the congress to go along, yet did not Obama himself vote ney when GW asked for his support while serving as senator?
And to make things worse, Obama gave Hillary hell for her yea vote when they ran for president.

This, for me, just makes this president look a bit naive, to say the least.
Someone that has a talent for giving a good speech, but obviously quite wet behind the ears.
This does not look good for his legacy.
And in all comparison actually boosts the legacy of GW.

So how does this work? An anti war president embracing war?
And really, does the beheading of two American's that should have never been over there in the first place, and knew too well the dangers and risks involved, does that justify a war?

Are we turning into that same guy that shot the black lady knocking on his door at 2am believing she was some thug up to no good? Should we not first take a long pause, sit back, and reevaluate exactly what the facts are and what we are getting into.
And in all fairness, is there really any substantiated threat to America or the so called and so labeled "homeland" from this small band of thugs far over in another land?

Remove all the media hype and media crapola that ISIS is around every corner, in every neighborhood, under every bed, and after removing all that isn't this just another attempt to control our fears?
Because if the polls are in fact accurate, and I seriously doubt they are, the polls suggest this attempt by the media to make ISIS into the biggest boogieman around is working.
In reality, all that ISIS consist of are a small band of thugs with hoods and some guns with expired warranties that were left behind by American troops.
The have no ability to threaten the so called homeland, other than relying on the American media to do all their dirty work for them. And that tactic just might work.
The American news media working hand in hand with ISIS.
Now that's something new, NOT.

So again I have to wonder and ask, just what the hell is going on inside the noggin of this president? Could it have anything to do with the November elections coming up?
And his legacy, or lack of.

Hey Mr President, don't be a schmuck, you embarrass yourself much.
And no wonder leaders like Putin could not give a damn about what Obama says or doesn't say. Would you take this presidents word seriously?

Obama is setting himself up to be greatly embarrassed by congress with his asking for a war vote.
Something that congress lives every day in hopes of doing. That embarrassment of the silly black guy in the whitehouse.
.
.

That is an embarrassing clump of incoherent rambling that doesn't really connect with reality. An amazing array of false equivalencies, hyperbole, over-exaggeration, and pure imagination.

 

[boomerang]

Obama can not win over the republicans no matter what he does.

If he acts on his own, he is called a king and dictator.
If he does not act, he is called weak and ineffective.

It's like the republicans are locked in a bunch of if/then subroutines
and have their pre-packaged criticisms at the ready, for no matter what he does.

It wasn't much different when Bush held the White House with the exception that the left was out in force protesting him at every opportunity while the mainstream media scrutinized everything he did. Oh wait, it was different. With Obama in the White House it's all good and the mainstream media has a hard time finding a story worth reporting.

Where have all the anti-war protestors gone?

 

[fskimospy]

It wasn't much different when Bush held the White House with the exception that the left was out in force protesting him at every opportunity while the mainstream media scrutinized everything he did. Oh wait, it was different. With Obama in the White House it's all good and the mainstream media has a hard time finding a story worth reporting.

Where have all the anti-war protestors gone?

It's always amazing to see the delusions that ultra partisans build up in their head. One of the primary and most salient attacks on the US media was how compliant they were in supporting the Bush administration's justification for the Iraq war.

 

[cubby1223]

Why was congressional approval needed a few months ago for Syria, but none is needed now for Iraq?

Political polling returned different results now than then.

 

[werepossum]

That is an embarrassing clump of incoherent rambling that doesn't really connect with reality. An amazing array of false equivalencies, hyperbole, over-exaggeration, and pure imagination.

Cut him a break, he just discovered politics. It's bound to be a confusing time as he learns the world is not black and white - or more likely, as he learns to ignore evidence that the world is not black and white.

It's always amazing to see the delusions that ultra partisans build up in their head. One of the primary and most salient attacks on the US media was how compliant they were in supporting the Bush administration's justification for the Iraq war.

It's always amazing to see people who rabidly support one party on literally every issue describe others as "ultra partisans".

 

[MongGrel]

Executive order. He could have done it then, doing it now. We have a King, not a president, who feels he can pick and choose which laws to follow. If anyone had the balls to hold him to the constitution, he'd have never made it to his second term. Problem is that both democrats and republicans are a bunch of wimps, who only obey the chain of money. That simple. It's all about partisanship, not about what is best for the country. They no longer work for us, but for the corporations that feed them.

If that was a real problem, Presidents would have been thrown out of office long, long, long ago before this administration.

I'd expect a better response from you.

 

[master_shake_]

Executive order. He could have done it then, doing it now. We have a King, not a president, who feels he can pick and choose which laws to follow. If anyone had the balls to hold him to the constitution, he'd have never made it to his second term. Problem is that both democrats and republicans are a bunch of wimps, who only obey the chain of money. That simple. It's all about partisanship, not about what is best for the country. They no longer work for us, but for the corporations that feed them.

yep obama signs executive orders bush just lied to everyone.