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Congress orders up two extra Gulfstream 550s... Hmm... Make that EIGHT

http://www.rollcall.com/media/37552-1.html

House Orders Up Three Elite Jets
August 5, 2009
By Paul Singer
Roll Call Staff

Last year, lawmakers excoriated the CEOs of the Big Three automakers for traveling to Washington, D.C., by private jet to attend a hearing about a possible bailout of their companies.

But apparently Congress is not philosophically averse to private air travel: At the end of July, the House approved nearly $200 million for the Air Force to buy three elite Gulfstream jets for ferrying top government officials and Members of Congress.


The Air Force had asked for one Gulfstream 550 jet (price tag: about $65 million) as part of an ongoing upgrade of its passenger air service.

But the House Appropriations Committee, at its own initiative, added to the 2010 Defense appropriations bill another $132 million for two more airplanes and specified that they be assigned to the D.C.-area units that carry Members of Congress, military brass and top government officials.

Because the Appropriations Committee viewed the additional aircraft as an expansion of an existing Defense Department program, it did not treat the money for two more planes as an earmark, and the legislation does not disclose which Member had requested the additional money.

An Appropriations Committee staffer said the military was already planning to replace its passenger fleet, and the committee ?looked at the request and decided they should speed up the replacement.? :laugh:

The Gulfstream G550 is a luxury business jet, which the company advertises as featuring long-range flight capacity that ?easily links Washington, D.C., with Dubai, London with Singapore and Tokyo with Paris.? The company?s promotional materials say, ?The cabin aboard the G550 combines productivity with exceptional comfort. It features up to four distinct living areas, three temperature zones, a choice of 12 floor plan configurations with seating for up to 18 passengers.?

The version Gulfstream sells to the military is reconfigured for the government with modest accommodations, not the luxury version sold to private customers, said a source familiar with the planes.

Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.) had submitted a request to the Appropriations Committee for a $70 million earmark for one airplane on behalf of Georgia-based Gulfstream, and Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) lists the airplane as one of the earmarks that he was asked to request, though his office said he never made the request to the Appropriations Committee.

?The committee saw fit to fund it at that level? without Kingston?s involvement, his spokesman said.

Bishop?s office did not return several calls requesting comment for this story.

Air Force spokesman Vincent King told Roll Call: ?This line item provides funding to purchase C-37 aircraft. The C-37 is the military variant of the commercial Gulfstream 550 executive jet. C-37s provide executive airlift for senior U.S. government officials including Congress and combatant commanders.?

The language of the appropriations bill specifies that of the three aircraft, the Air Force will provide ?one aircraft each for the 201st Airlift Squadron and the 89th Airlift Wing.? Both are based out of Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.

The 89th Airlift Wing provides ?global Special Air Mission (SAM) airlift, logistics, aerial port and communications for the President, Vice President, Combat Commanders, senior leaders and the global mobility system,? according to the Andrews Web site.

King told Roll Call, ?the 201st Airlift Squadron provides short-notice worldwide transportation for the executive branch, Congressional Members, Department of Defense officials and high-ranking U.S. and foreign dignitaries.?

An Armed Forces Press Service news story from 2004 said that the 201st counted ?U.S. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert [R-Ill.] and [then-Senate Armed Services Chairman] John Warner [R-Va.] among its frequent flyers.?

Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, said if Congress wants to buy new jets for the comfort of top government officials, ?I think that all needs to be justified on the merits. ... Certainly, lawmakers can fly ? and many do fly ? coach and business class.? While there may be reasons for flying on top-notch private jets, ?it shouldn?t just be squeezed into the bill.?

Ellis said the airplanes are also part of a larger trend for the Appropriations Committee to simply decide that big-ticket items are program increases, not earmarks, so they require less public disclosure.

?The more that you push for transparency, the more of this stuff goes underneath the carpet,? Ellis said. While Congress has established new rules requiring greater transparency for earmarks, the Appropriations Committee is ?the judge, jury and executioner over what is an earmark and what isn?t and how much information we get.?

But military analysts said the private jets, despite the high price tag, may be worth the money because of the security and efficiency they provide to high-ranking public officials.

Loren Thompson, defense analyst at the conservative Lexington Institute, said, ?In the case of the VIP transport for the executive branch, you can easily explain the cost [of private travel] in terms of the risk of somebody being taken hostage or having their time wasted when a critical decision is pending.?

Thompson pointed out that the cost of the plane would be peanuts compared to the cost to the nation if a top official were taken hostage or harmed taking a commercial flight to a dangerous region of the world.

But Thompson also said that logic ?applies to the top members of the executive branch more than it applies to the Member from the 13th district of Illinois.?

John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense information Web site, said military officials ?need a long-range airplane ? and [it?s] better to fly them on a small one than a big one.?

Pike said it is unreasonable to expect a three-star general and a staff of five people to attend meetings around the world with several stops in far-flung locales while traveling on commercial airlines.

So the Dems basically bought congress two shiny new Gulfstreams under the guise of 'speeding up' the replacement of the military's transport fleet. The hypocrisy is just too much to bear.

To get around the new transparancy in ear marks, congress is just passing things through committee as budget expansions. Nice. There's no way to stop this. At what point do our representatives in congress stop and ask "how the bloody fucking hell are we going to pay for all of this?" I know that $132 million is a water molocule in a drop in the bucket. But where do you finally draw the line?

I'm really getting to the point where I just don't care anymore. Can we just write a check for $1 million to every american and illegal so we finally go bankrupt in a blaze of glory and the sword of Damocles hanging over us finally lops off our head? Really, why wait another 15-20 years. Let's just get it over with now so we can go on with our lives.


UPDATE:

Originally posted by: Patranus
Looks like it is actually 8 new planes for congress....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html

Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.

I'm just going to go over here and smash my hand with this hammer until I can't feel it anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy


I'm really getting to the point where I just don't care anymore.

I agree, government is just out of control, but some morons here just like to worship these guys. It's no different than people worshipping Michael Jackson.
 
"Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) lists the airplane as one of the earmarks that he was asked to request, though his office said he never made the request to the Appropriations Committee."

and

"An Armed Forces Press Service news story from 2004 said that the 201st counted ?U.S. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert [R-Ill.] and [then-Senate Armed Services Chairman] John Warner [R-Va.] among its frequent flyers.?"


Yea those damm Dems for wanting new planes and then using them.

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) lists the airplane as one of the earmarks that he was asked to request, though his office said he never made the request to the Appropriations Committee."

and

"An Armed Forces Press Service news story from 2004 said that the 201st counted ?U.S. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert [R-Ill.] and [then-Senate Armed Services Chairman] John Warner [R-Va.] among its frequent flyers.?"


Yea those damm Dems for wanting new planes and then using them.

:roll:


Why exactly do they need NEW planes?

Furthermore, per executive order, the Speaker of the House is allowed to request a private plane...but why 3?
 
Why not stick these people on commercial planes? Shit, I'd even let them fly first class.

Why the need to ferry them about in 65 million dollar planes that cost 10-20K\hour to fly?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why not stick these people on commercial planes? Shit, I'd even let them fly first class.

Why the need to ferry them about in 65 million dollar planes that cost 10-20K\hour to fly?

Its great to be king....i mean queen isn't it?
 
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy


I'm really getting to the point where I just don't care anymore.

I agree, government is just out of control, but some morons here just like to worship these guys. It's no different than people worshipping Michael Jackson.

When the Rs were in control I (and others) often said they were spending like a bunch of drunk sailors. This congress is spending like crack addicts! There's no rational thought involved except this crazed, near instinctive, need to spend more money. It's sick. They give no thought to it.

Why is it that 300 million people can see what 535 can't?
 
After lambasting the auto makers for using private jets, this is somewhat funny, although there may be more to the story.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm really getting to the point where I just don't care anymore.

That's more like it. :thumbsup:

I think im going to take what savings i still have left and move to some tiny beach town in Mexico and get away from it all. All ill care about is beer and sun and surfing. The rest of the world can fight over the stupid stuff 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) lists the airplane as one of the earmarks that he was asked to request, though his office said he never made the request to the Appropriations Committee."

and

"An Armed Forces Press Service news story from 2004 said that the 201st counted ?U.S. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert [R-Ill.] and [then-Senate Armed Services Chairman] John Warner [R-Va.] among its frequent flyers.?"


Yea those damm Dems for wanting new planes and then using them.

:roll:


Why exactly do they need NEW planes?

Furthermore, per executive order, the Speaker of the House is allowed to request a private plane...but why 3?


And why now?
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why not stick these people on commercial planes? Shit, I'd even let them fly first class.

Why the need to ferry them about in 65 million dollar planes that cost 10-20K\hour to fly?

Its great to be king....i mean queen isn't it?

Oh Piss Boy!
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Why is it that 300 million people can see what 535 can't?

They live pretty damn well regardless of the decisions they make. I get a chuckle any time a politician speaks to a citizen saying they "feel their pain."
 
I really don't see the outrage here. The government needs planes to ferry its top officials quickly, and its fleet needs to be periodically upgraded and/or replaced depending on age. Show me one government on the face of the earth that operates differently that isn't either a) so small you can throw a rock between any two points on its interior or b) is so dirt poor that they can't afford the gas to fuel said planes even if they were donated. So, how many planes does the government have and why are we bitching about three measly aircraft?
 
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I really don't see the outrage here. The government needs planes to ferry its top officials quickly, and its fleet needs to be periodically upgraded and/or replaced depending on age. Show me one government on the face of the earth that operates differently that isn't either a) so small you can throw a rock between any two points on its interior or b) is so dirt poor that they can't afford the gas to fuel said planes even if they were donated. So, how many planes does the government have and why are we bitching about three measly aircraft?

Dirt poor? The government is running trillion dollar deficits. I would say that we are "dirt poor".

Also, a plane can be had for 1 million on eBay. While I am not saying that the government should buy planes off eBay, why not buy used planes?
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I really don't see the outrage here. The government needs planes to ferry its top officials quickly, and its fleet needs to be periodically upgraded and/or replaced depending on age. Show me one government on the face of the earth that operates differently that isn't either a) so small you can throw a rock between any two points on its interior or b) is so dirt poor that they can't afford the gas to fuel said planes even if they were donated. So, how many planes does the government have and why are we bitching about three measly aircraft?

Dirt poor? The government is running trillion dollar deficits. I would say that we are "dirt poor".

Also, a plane can be had for 1 million on eBay. While I am not saying that the government should buy planes off eBay, why not buy used planes?

I was being facetious with that statement. We may be deep in the hole, but bar none we are not considered among the 'poor' countries. Look around. We could easily dig ourselves out of it if only we had the political will to do so. Either raise taxes drastically, cut services to the bone (including the military), or something in between. The relative size of our economy puts us anywhere but the poor house amongst nations.

As far as used planes go, you could make the exact same argument for vehicles of any type, including cars/trucks. Sometimes it is better just to get something new and drive it into the ground.....unless you fly of course. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Why is it that 300 million people can see what 535 can't?

But there's your problem - you assume all or most of the 300 million can see. Trust me, they can't. They're the same people who took out all the funny-money loans. We've elected the Congress we deserve and desire.
 
Sounds like good stimulus to me. Private plane makers are suffering greatly due to fall in demand after Congress raked auto execs over the coals for flying private plane. Talked to a buddy who works for a private plane maker, and they laid off big chunk of people because sales fell by more than a half.
 
There goes the $100 million that Obama promised to cut from his cabinet (which we are still waiting on).
 
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of General Dynamics.

General Dynamics Political Contributions Since 1990

Appropriations Chairman David R. Obey, Wisconsin, has received $30,500.00 in total contributions.
Ranking member Jerry Lewis, California, has received $69,749.00 in total contributions.
Former Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee Bill Young, Florida, has received $60,000.00 in total contributions.
Chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee John Murtha, Pennsylvania, has received $205,000.00 in total contributions.


Being that General Dynamics is headquartered (I believe) in Connecticut former congressman and member of the House Armed Services Committee Rob Simmons has received $92,975.00 in total contributions. I point this out because Mr. Simmons is challenging Chris Dodd ($87,450 from General Dynamics) for his Senate seat.

And finally, it is my understanding that the Gulfstream G500 is manufactured in Georgia - so I give you their MOC and GD contributions:

Kingston, Jack (R-Ga) - - - - - $53,250
Chambliss, Saxby (R-Ga) - - - $32,500
Barrow, John (D-Ga) - - - - - $25,000
Burns, Max (R-Ga) - - - - - - - $15,250
Collins, Mac (R-Ga) - - - - - - $14,000
Bishop, Sanford D Jr (D-Ga) - $13,500

Msrs. Kingston & Sanford serve on the House Appropriations Committee - the actual plant is located in the district of Mr. Barrow.




 
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of General Dynamics.

General Dynamics Political Contributions Since 1990

Appropriations Chairman David R. Obey, Wisconsin, has received $30,500.00 in total contributions.
Ranking member Jerry Lewis, California, has received $69,749.00 in total contributions.
Former Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee Bill Young, Florida, has received $60,000.00 in total contributions.
Chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee John Murtha, Pennsylvania, has received $205,000.00 in total contributions.


Being that General Dynamics is headquartered (I believe) in Connecticut former congressman and member of the House Armed Services Committee Rob Simmons has received $92,975.00 in total contributions. I point this out because Mr. Simmons is challenging Chris Dodd ($87,450 from General Dynamics) for his Senate seat.

And finally, it is my understanding that the Gulfstream G500 is manufactured in Georgia - so I give you their MOC and GD contributions:

Kingston, Jack (R-Ga) - - - - - $53,250
Chambliss, Saxby (R-Ga) - - - $32,500
Barrow, John (D-Ga) - - - - - $25,000
Burns, Max (R-Ga) - - - - - - - $15,250
Collins, Mac (R-Ga) - - - - - - $14,000
Bishop, Sanford D Jr (D-Ga) - $13,500

Msrs. Kingston & Sanford serve on the House Appropriations Committee - the actual plant is located in the district of Mr. Barrow.

GD is headquatered in Falls Church, VA brainiac. Their Electric Boat division is in CT.
 
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