Congress Increases Indecency Fines Tenfold

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Citrix
funny how the FCC decides that seeing a naked human body is obscene. but watching murder, rape, beatings, stabbings, shootings, people blown up, fingers cut off is not.

Agreed!
Insanely stupid.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Aharami

the way i see it, this is just taking away from the parental responsibility. if you dont want your kids to watch cleavage on tv, turn on the parental controls in YOUR tv. Do not force your beliefs on other parents who think its quite alright for their kids see a busty lady on tv every now and then. and dont give me the BS about porn. no network channels show anything remotely in the same vicinity as porn

That's exactly the point. I find it amazing that the people who support this kind of legislation are nominally conservatives - I can't imagine more of a big-government program. Every TV sold in the United States is equipped not only with a V-chip but with an Off button. If you're too lazy or incompetent as a parent to use these tools, you might as well write your Congressman asking for a ban on kitchen knives, hot stovetops, household chemicals, and any number of other things that, unlike Janet Jackson's breast, really CAN hurt your kids. Morons . . .

Nevermind that changing V-chip settings is a hassle and therefore easy to forget......or that no TV before '99 has one....or that they might not be correctly categorized. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you care. Was seeing Janet Jackson's boop like one of the highlights of your life or something?

Was it really the most horrible thing in yours?

 

[JulesMaximus]

President Bush is an idiot.

/thread

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
The government has *no* fvcking responsibility to help strengthen families. I don't know what Bush is smoking, but I'd like some.

Damn straight.

Um, the disintegration of the family unit is one of the if not the main cause for the fall of the Roman empire according to historians.

I think you guy without kids need to STFU. You can't know anything about families until you've started and maintained your own.

Really? I always heard it was from bad leadership and Germanic tribes beating the crap out of them.

Yeah, that was 'news' for me too. Sadly for him he's dead wrong. LOL

 

[sonoma1993]

Originally posted by: Citrix
funny how the FCC decides that seeing a naked human body is obscene. but watching murder, rape, beatings, stabbings, shootings, people blown up, fingers cut off is not.

you can be watching the national geographic, they'll be doing a show in africa. The women over there will be topless and they'll show it. But it's not ok to show americans topless.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

Originally posted by: Citrix
funny how the FCC decides that seeing a naked human body is obscene. but watching murder, rape, beatings, stabbings, shootings, people blown up, fingers cut off is not.

you can be watching the national geographic, they'll be doing a show in africa. The women over there will be topless and they'll show it. But it's not ok to show americans topless.

They will actually blur the boobs there too. LOL

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Nevermind that changing V-chip settings is a hassle and therefore easy to forget......or that no TV before '99 has one....or that they might not be correctly categorized. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you care. Was seeing Janet Jackson's boop like one of the highlights of your life or something?

You've convinced me! The First Amendment is no big deal compared to the risk of my child seeing a breast.

Call it whatever you want - this is legislated religion, at the expense of free speech. We're fighting and dying so that Iraqis can live in a free society, then taking the same freedoms away from ourselves. This is just more evidence that politicians as a whole, and the religious right in particular, don't give a damn about the Constitution when votes are at stake.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
President Bush is an idiot.

/thread

\thread

"The legislation passed the House 379-35 on Wednesday after moving through the Senate last month on a voice vote."

Yea...let's blame one man by putting him down so we can feel superior.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Aharami

the way i see it, this is just taking away from the parental responsibility. if you dont want your kids to watch cleavage on tv, turn on the parental controls in YOUR tv. Do not force your beliefs on other parents who think its quite alright for their kids see a busty lady on tv every now and then. and dont give me the BS about porn. no network channels show anything remotely in the same vicinity as porn

That's exactly the point. I find it amazing that the people who support this kind of legislation are nominally conservatives - I can't imagine more of a big-government program. Every TV sold in the United States is equipped not only with a V-chip but with an Off button. If you're too lazy or incompetent as a parent to use these tools, you might as well write your Congressman asking for a ban on kitchen knives, hot stovetops, household chemicals, and any number of other things that, unlike Janet Jackson's breast, really CAN hurt your kids. Morons . . .

Nevermind that changing V-chip settings is a hassle and therefore easy to forget......or that no TV before '99 has one....or that they might not be correctly categorized. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you care. Was seeing Janet Jackson's boop like one of the highlights of your life or something?

Was it really the most horrible thing in yours?

Nope. Didn't bother me at all hell it was covered up plenty enough. But it was more than what it was. It was a probe by the media. They were checking to see, fairly innocuously at that, if they could get away with it because they'd LOVE to get more sex out there because, hey, it sells.

Porn on the internet, porn on cable, porn on network television.....what's the difference for you. For people raising kids it today's society, it's one more of the innumerable attacks on their minds. Let me raise my kids the way you want and you raise yours the way you want and let's keep the media's influence neutral.

Maybe some people at the library wouldn't mind you blasting your music there, but it's still not allowed because it's disruptive to those who don't.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Congress is full of idiots.

/thread

Fixed

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
The government has *no* fvcking responsibility to help strengthen families. I don't know what Bush is smoking, but I'd like some.

Damn straight.

Um, the disintegration of the family unit is one of the if not the main cause for the fall of the Roman empire according to historians.

I think you guy without kids need to STFU. You can't know anything about families until you've started and maintained your own.

I have a daughter. She doesn't watch TV without my supervision, and I don't let her watch anything I don't feel is appropriate. If you need the gub'mint to supervise TV for your child, you're not much of a parent.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Aharami

the way i see it, this is just taking away from the parental responsibility. if you dont want your kids to watch cleavage on tv, turn on the parental controls in YOUR tv. Do not force your beliefs on other parents who think its quite alright for their kids see a busty lady on tv every now and then. and dont give me the BS about porn. no network channels show anything remotely in the same vicinity as porn

That's exactly the point. I find it amazing that the people who support this kind of legislation are nominally conservatives - I can't imagine more of a big-government program. Every TV sold in the United States is equipped not only with a V-chip but with an Off button. If you're too lazy or incompetent as a parent to use these tools, you might as well write your Congressman asking for a ban on kitchen knives, hot stovetops, household chemicals, and any number of other things that, unlike Janet Jackson's breast, really CAN hurt your kids. Morons . . .

Nevermind that changing V-chip settings is a hassle and therefore easy to forget......or that no TV before '99 has one....or that they might not be correctly categorized. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you care. Was seeing Janet Jackson's boop like one of the highlights of your life or something?

Was it really the most horrible thing in yours?

Nope. Didn't bother me at all hell it was covered up plenty enough. But it was more than what it was. It was a probe by the media. They were checking to see, fairly innocuously at that, if they could get away with it because they'd LOVE to get more sex out there because, hey, it sells.

Porn on the internet, porn on cable, porn on network television.....what's the difference for you. For people raising kids it today's society, it's one more of the innumerable attacks on their minds. Let me raise my kids the way you want and you raise yours the way you want and let's keep the media's influence neutral.

Maybe some people at the library wouldn't mind you blasting your music there, but it's still not allowed because it's disruptive to those who don't.

Stop with the porn already.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Nevermind that changing V-chip settings is a hassle and therefore easy to forget......or that no TV before '99 has one....or that they might not be correctly categorized. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you care. Was seeing Janet Jackson's boop like one of the highlights of your life or something?

You've convinced me! The First Amendment is no big deal compared to the risk of my child seeing a breast.

Call it whatever you want - this is legislated religion, at the expense of free speech. We're fighting and dying so that Iraqis can live in a free society, then taking the same freedoms away from ourselves. This is just more evidence that politicians as a whole, and the religious right in particular, don't give a damn about the Constitution when votes are at stake.

Yeah, damn it, I can't sexual harass girls at work anymore either. Damn censorship of the first ammendment. I though this was supposed to be the land of the free.

 

[Number1]

The fines where increased tenfold. This indecency thing must be a big problem for you guys. Are the networks breaking the rules with impunity?

 

[Number1]

Oups sorry

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Strk
Stop with the porn already.

Exactly!

 

[Howard]

When would you be forced to watch porn? When would your children be forced to watch porn?

 

[HamSupLo]

election year politics

 

[DurocShark]

Wait a minute.... Allowing something on television that might make me want to have sex with my wife weakens families?

 

[oogabooga]

just like video games... nevermind parents are the ones letting their kids do these things, it's big corporations?

I wouldn't be so repulsed, but the fact that a simulated orgy can slam down 3.3 million in fines, whereas someone getting shot, stabbed, and/or blown up into little bits of guts would just be tv... it's a great standard we're pursuing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Yeah, damn it, I can't sexual harass girls at work anymore either. Damn censorship of the first ammendment. I though this was supposed to be the land of the free.

Tell me what "indecency" means and I might well agree with you. Congress can't and won't, and they will continue to enforce their rules with no evident rhyme or reason.

If you don't want your kids exposed to "indecency," monitor their TV watching, limit it to educational shows (this is what my parents did - I taught myself to read when I was 4, largely from watching Sesame Street and the Electric Company), or turn the damned thing off. It makes no sense to me to deny adults potentially controversial programming simply because some parents are too stupid or too reckless to keep an eye on their kids.

Do you favor censorship of the Internet? That's a place kids can get into real trouble, and view ACTUAL porn (as opposed to the theoretical, nonexistent porn you keep alluding to).

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Strk
Stop with the porn already.

Exactly!

Except this has nothing to do with porn, but you keep throwing it in there.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Yeah, damn it, I can't sexual harass girls at work anymore either. Damn censorship of the first ammendment. I though this was supposed to be the land of the free.

Tell me what "indecency" means and I might well agree with you. Congress can't and won't, and they will continue to enforce their rules with no evident rhyme or reason.

If you don't want your kids exposed to "indecency," monitor their TV watching, limit it to educational shows (this is what my parents did - I taught myself to read when I was 4, largely from watching Sesame Street and the Electric Company), or turn the damned thing off. It makes no sense to me to deny adults potentially controversial programming simply because some parents are too stupid or too reckless to keep an eye on their kids.

Do you favor censorship of the Internet? That's a place kids can get into real trouble, and view ACTUAL porn (as opposed to the theoretical, nonexistent porn you keep alluding to).

Obscene, Profane & Indecent Broadcasts

There you go right from the FCC website. Quoted below is the current FCC definition of indecency.

Indecent Broadcast Restrictions

The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as ?language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.? Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

The courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of the day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience.

Consistent with a federal indecency statute and federal court decisions interpreting the statute, the Commission adopted a rule that broadcasts -- both on television and radio -- that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are prohibited and subject to indecency enforcement action.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Linflas
Obscene, Profane & Indecent Broadcasts

There you go right from the FCC website. Quoted below is the current FCC definition of indecency.

Indecent Broadcast Restrictions

The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as ?language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.? Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

The courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of the day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience.

Consistent with a federal indecency statute and federal court decisions interpreting the statute, the Commission adopted a rule that broadcasts -- both on television and radio -- that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are prohibited and subject to indecency enforcement action.

That's not a definition. That's congress-speak for "we can't tell you what's indecent, but we know it when we see it."

Edit: In addition, the definition of indecency du jour probably depends on who you are, how much money you have, and how much of that money has made it's way to your favorite congressman.