Confused by upcoming BTX... wanted to build new system

[Bruck]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Bruck
Please don't argue with me, i am pretty sure I don't want AMD , im an intel loyal.

I must ask, in all seriousness, why are you loyal to intel. I think 99% of the forum population would say that there are valid reasons for going with Intel or AMD so I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Well,

To be honest, I havent built a machine from scratch in 5 years. Back then Intel was more reliable, crashed less or not at all... Better in games... etc i guess alot has changed but I have not used a newer AMD chip since them... Also intel was the top notch which meant the top mobo makers made their more feature rich boards for the intel chipsets... has this part changed. can I get an almost identically rich Asus board to the P4c800 deluxe?

I actually dont want onboard sound, and i would like onboard scsi but i dont think asus does that anymore. (my current board is a P2B-S)

oh and around that time video card manufacturers were having compatiblity problems with the AMD chipsets, i knew people that bought TNT2 cards and couldn't use them... I steered away from AMD to avoid stuff like this in the future.

I realize alot has changed since I then, but AMD got off on a REALLY bad foot in my opinion.

 

[Wahsapa]

LOL!! oh jeez, im just gonna sit here and wait to see what happens

 

[Bruck]

Ok, so lets say I wanted to price out an A64 setup, I like the Asus A8V-deluxe board, which A64 chip would I pair with it? I was expecting the fastest AMD chip to be less money than the fastest intel, but there is an A64 3800? thats is 600 dollars, I dont know enough about AMD's chipsets and clock speeds to know which AMD chip would "apparently give better performance" than a p4 3.4 or 3.8 when it comes out?

Thanks,

 

[Avalon]

An A64 3400+ would give comparable/slightly better performance in most cases than a 3.4ghz P4. If you want a 3800+, get a 3400+ and give it a modest overclock. Buying a 3800+ is almost like buying a lite version of an FX/P4EE, pricewise.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Bruck

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Bruck
Please don't argue with me, i am pretty sure I don't want AMD , im an intel loyal.

I must ask, in all seriousness, why are you loyal to intel. I think 99% of the forum population would say that there are valid reasons for going with Intel or AMD so I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Well,

To be honest, I havent built a machine from scratch in 5 years. Back then Intel was more reliable, crashed less or not at all... Better in games... etc i guess alot has changed but I have not used a newer AMD chip since them... Also intel was the top notch which meant the top mobo makers made their more feature rich boards for the intel chipsets... has this part changed. can I get an almost identically rich Asus board to the P4c800 deluxe?

I actually dont want onboard sound, and i would like onboard scsi but i dont think asus does that anymore. (my current board is a P2B-S)

oh and around that time video card manufacturers were having compatiblity problems with the AMD chipsets, i knew people that bought TNT2 cards and couldn't use them... I steered away from AMD to avoid stuff like this in the future.

I realize alot has changed since I then, but AMD got off on a REALLY bad foot in my opinion.

Fair enough.

I think feature for feature, you can find AMD boards with everything that intel boards have, and I think stability has been largely resolved.

Actually, my first AMD system was an Athlon 900, with an ABIT mobo based on the KT133A chipset. It was a bit crashy with the first board, but when that board died on me, I switched to an ASUS KT133A board. Man was that board bad. No matter how many times I reinstalled win 2k, I could no get it stable. Finally, in frustration, I pulled the older ABIT board out of the box, and I found that the chipset fan was dead 😕, after replacing the fan w/ one from an old 486, I found the old board worked, and much better than the ASUS one at that.

When I went to build my new system, (Athlon XP 1700+) I got a board that was advertized as being stable, quality (still value) ram from crucial, and a quality power supply. That system has been rock stable for the past 2.5 years. I think all the problems from AMD systems came not from AMD but from VIA :|. I think Nvidia's nForce chipset changed a lot of that and made AMD systems pretty equal to Intel ones on all fronts, once and for all.

So, if you do decide to go the Intel route, enjoy your system, but it's worth considering AMD systems for price / performance.

Whatever you go with, you're going to have one awesome PC 😀:beer: