Confession Video: US Soldier Describes Thrill Kill of Innocent Afghans

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Attourney for Morlock is going to say that he was smoking hash, that his commanding officer was pressuring him, and that he had brain damage from a previous IED accident.

They took pictures of the dead, posed with the bodies, and kept bones for souvenirs D:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-so...ocent-civilians-afghanistan/story?id=11732681

Dressed in a t-shirt and Army shorts, a 22-year-old corporal from Wasilla, Alaska casually describes on a video tape made by military investigators how his unit's "crazy" sergeant randomly chose three unarmed, innocent victims to be murdered in Afghanistan.

Corporal Jeremy N. Morlock is one of five GI's charged with pre-meditated murder in a case that includes allegations of widespread drug use, the collection of body parts and photos of the U.S. soldiers holding the Afghan bodies like hunter's trophies.

All five soldiers were part of the 5th Stryker Combat Brigade, of the 2nd Infantry Division, based at Ft. Lewis-McChord, Washington. In charging documents released by the Army, the military alleges that the five, Staff Sgt. Calvin R. Gibbs, Spec Adam C. Winfield, Spec. Michael S. Wagnon II, Pfc. Andrew H. Holmes and Morlock were involved in one or more of three murders that took place between January and May of this year.

Lawyers and family members of the soldiers say they all intend to fight the charges.

An Article 32 hearing for Morlock, the military equivalent of a grand jury, is scheduled later today at Fort Lewis-McChord, Washington.

On the tape, obtained by ABC News, Morlock admits his role in the deaths of three Afghans but claims the plan was organized by his unit's sergeant, Calvin Gibbs, who is also charged with pre-meditated murder.

"He just really doesn't have any problems with f---ing killing these people," Morlock said on tape as he laid out the scenario he said the sergeant used to make it seem the civilians were killed in action.

"And so we identify a guy. Gibbs makes a comment, like, you know, you guys wanna wax this guy or what?" Morlock told military investigators during an interview videotaped in May at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan.

The corporal said Gibbs gave orders to open fire on the civilian at the same time Gibbs threw a hand grenade at the victim.

"He pulled out one of his grenades, an American grenade, you know, popped it, throws it, tells me where to go to whack this guy, kill this guy, kill this guy," Morlock told the investigators.

Allegations that US Soldiers Killed Innocent Civilians in Afghanistan

Morlock said Sergeant Gibbs carried a Russian grenade to throw next to the body of the dead Afghan, to make it seem he was about to attack the American soldiers.

The corporal said he opened fire as directed, fearful of not following Gibbs' orders.

"It's definitely not the right thing to do," Morlock told the investigators. "But I mean, when you got a squad leader bringing you into that, that type of real, that mindset, and he believes that you're on board with that, there's definitely no way you wanted him to think otherwise."

The investigator asked Morlock, "Because you felt maybe the next shot might be coming your way?"

"You never know. Exactly," answered Morlock. "I mean Gibbs talked about how easy it is, people disappear on the battlefield all the time."

A lawyer for Gibbs declined to comment. All five charged are in military custody.

Morlock's lawyer, Michael Waddington, said his client made his confession at a time when he was taking heavy medication.

"My client did not kill anyone," said Waddington. "He did not use any bullets or any grenades to kill any of these individuals."

In addition to murder, the Army's charging documents allege rampant drug use in Morlock's unit, as well as the dismemberment of dead Afghan civilians.

Cpl. Morlock describes how Sergeant Gibbs allegedly collected the fingers of some of his Afghan victims.

"It's his thing now," said Morlock. "I don't know, his crazy stuff. War trophies, whatever."

Morlock said Gibbs boasted of carrying out similar murders in Iraq but was never caught and threatened the men in his unit with harm if they refused to participate or revealed what was happening.

"If Gibbs knew that I was sitting in front of this camera right now, there's no doubt in my mind that he'd f---ing take me out if he had to," Morlock told the Army investigators.
 

DesiPower

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sad... but I cant judge these either, I cant image myself in these ppl's shoes in a 100 years... its a freaking hell hole out there...
 

OutHouse

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this is what happens when a army has been at war for too long. its soldiers start to lose their humanity.
 

Craig234

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Or they have to make fun of what they are doing in order to keep their sanity.

Murder isn't making fun of what they're doing. The previous poster had it right about 'losing their humanity' - but that's by design, so they kill more efficiently.

Killing doesn't come naturally to people, it's bad for people IMO (the killers, of course), especially strangers for some reasons identified by politicians.

Training has been developed with great care to overcome the natural reluctance to killing.
 

Narmer

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The President and the CO bear some responsibility for this. Putting them in a no win situation isn't right.
 

Jaskalas

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Attourney for Morlock is going to say that he was smoking hash, that his commanding officer was pressuring him, and that he had brain damage from a previous IED accident.

They took pictures of the dead, posed with the bodies, and kept bones for souvenirs D:

They are still alive? :mad:
 

squirrel dog

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smoking hash / has brain damage , so basically a retard . Now, how would I believe any of this ?
 

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The President and the CO bear some responsibility for this. Putting them in a no win situation isn't right.

Wow, 5 posts before somebody blamed Obama.

I'm surprised at all the posts trying to justify what they did. It's as if some lives are worth less than others. Imagine if those were your family members murdered for "fun".
 

OutHouse

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Wow, 5 posts before somebody blamed Obama.

I'm surprised at all the posts trying to justify what they did. It's as if some lives are worth less than others. Imagine if those were your family members murdered for "fun".

i hope you arent not including me in that. i no way did i defend what they allegedly did.
 

HumblePie

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This is what you get when the military waves felony charges and lets criminals out of jail to join the ranks. - some talking point or other.

Basically there are shit heads everywhere and some get to hold guns.
 
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this is what happens when a army has been at war for too long. its soldiers start to lose their humanity.

No, son, this is what happens when troops who were never supposed to be there in the first place gets pulled through because the standards are so low even the National Guard are combat units in foreign territory.

Professionals don't act like this, same shit happened with French soldiers in Darfur for pretty much the same reason, they took a job they could not handle.
 

StageLeft

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War is hell or something.

I appreciate where he's coming from, but he was still wrong and must pay for it.
 

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No, son, this is what happens when troops who were never supposed to be there in the first place gets pulled through because the standards are so low even the National Guard are combat units in foreign territory.

Professionals don't act like this, same shit happened with French soldiers in Darfur for pretty much the same reason, they took a job they could not handle.

The men who did this are pscyhopaths. Keeping trophies of your victims is Ted Bundy shit. Are you saying that psychopaths don't find their way into well trained military units, or that the training eliminates the pscyhopathology?

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sad... but I cant judge these either, I cant image myself in these ppl's shoes in a 100 years... its a freaking hell hole out there...

That is so retarded it deserves no response.

But here is one, these are civilians that they murdered, this is terrorism committed by soldiers representing your nation and you can't judge them? They fucking collected parts of cadavers and you can't judge them?
 

Throckmorton

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Maybe with training and indoctrination in military heirarchy it would be different, but I'd hope that if my commanding officer was about to kill innocent people I'd shoot him first.

Your primary duty is supposed to be to your conscience.
 
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No, son, this is what happens when troops who were never supposed to be there in the first place gets pulled through because the standards are so low even the National Guard are combat units in foreign territory.

Professionals don't act like this, same shit happened with French soldiers in Darfur for pretty much the same reason, they took a job they could not handle.
Do you think this war "winnable" in any sense of the word? Is it worth it?
 

OutHouse

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No, son, this is what happens when troops who were never supposed to be there in the first place gets pulled through because the standards are so low even the National Guard are combat units in foreign territory.

Professionals don't act like this, same shit happened with French soldiers in Darfur for pretty much the same reason, they took a job they could not handle.

the 5th stryker brigade is not a NG unit and have very high standards. This is an example of commanders not having a fucking clue of what their troops are doing. Hell they smoked dope EVERYDAY??? WTF. I hope whoever is or was their CO is brought up on charges as well.
 

woolfe9999

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Maybe with training and indoctrination in military heirarchy it would be different, but I'd hope that if my commanding officer was about to kill innocent people I'd shoot him first.

Your primary duty is supposed to be to your conscience.

The degree of culpability might be a little different for those who felt threatened, coerced, etc. and were sickened by what they did. They should still be punished but to a lesser degree. However, at least one person, if not a subset of these men, and maybe all of them, actively desired to do this. You don't keep trophies if you regret what you did. So the question is, why would military training cure this kind of fundamental psychological defect, which is sadism and a lack of empathy for other human beings. If you're Ted Bundy, you aren't going to become normal because you went through military training.

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Do you think this war "winnable" in any sense of the word? Is it worth it?

Right before the troops (including my team) were pulled and all air support cancelled we had them driven up into the mountain areas, at this point they were contained and could have been wiped out almost completely, the entire Taliban, not just Al Qaueda.

To me it is obvious that allowing that to happen was not in our respective nations best interest at the time so another war was started and the Taliban were allowed to regroup and regain control over most of Afghanistan.

This is just damage control, we'll eventually leave and the Taliban will be a stronger force than they were before we entered.

It's not winnable now without sacrificing more than half of the civilian population.
 
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the 5th stryker brigade is not a NG unit and have very high standards. This is an example of commanders not having a fucking clue of what their troops are doing. Hell they smoked dope EVERYDAY??? WTF. I hope whoever is or was their CO is brought up on charges as well.

This is what you call "very high standards"?

That's what i call unprofessional and people being in a situation where they do not belong.