Condoms have questionable effectiveness against most common STDs

[Migroo]

Originally posted by: BillGates
Don't have sex with dirty sluts and you'll be good to go.

That probably takes care of the STD problem (... to a point) but what about the pregnancy one?

IMO (this isnt directed at you Bill) far too many people assume that a condom is 100%. I used to and had a nasty scare that thankfully turned out to be nothing - I'm extremely glad it happened as it gave me the wake up call I needed.

 

[mchammer187]

i thought this was common knowledge as well

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: Migroo

Originally posted by: BillGates
Don't have sex with dirty sluts and you'll be good to go.

That probably takes care of the STD problem (... to a point) but what about the pregnancy one?

Definitely not the pregnancy one. The prospect of an unplanned pregnancy scares the FSCK out of me. I've been with the same girl for 4 years and we'll probably end up married at some point, but still I think it would ultimately ruin my life....or at least ruin the way I envision it to be for the next 5-10 years.

We've had 1-2 scares during this time and it's the worst feeling in the world I think... Luckily it hasn't happened more than that - but that's because I don't get enough action. I try and try and try and there is always some excuse.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: OS
Against HPV and HSV2. Even worse, there doesn't have to be symptoms for transmission. Do a search on google if you want to learn more.

Truth be told, I feel a little betrayed by the medical community. Why isn't this common knowledge?

I already knew. The real question is, why does Planned Parenthood lie about it?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: IGBT
shhhhh....pro homo trans gender lesbian sexual promiscuous pro condom cucumber types don't like any mention of this. Screws up their delusional fantasy about anything goes sex.

What's wrong with Cucumbers? :Q

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Where the hell is Fausto1???

He's the expert on STDs...

amish

The only thing I was going to point out is that Kranky's assertion that condom use is at an "all time high" isn't exactly right. Sure, there's much more awareness and availability of condoms as a means of contraception, but if teen pregnancy rates are any indication.....they're not getting used as much as they should. The teen pregnancy rate is still hovering right around 9% nationally according to CDC data I could find. I seriously doubt most of the STD transmission we're seeing is occuring despite condom use; if there were reasonable levels of condom use, we wouldn't be seeing all these unwanted pregnancies.

BTW- condoms are specifically contraceptives, not STD-blockers. As dullard pointed out, they've always been marketed that way. They will decrease risk of transmission, but not eliminate it. A quick search of the CDC's site turned up the following:

The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases is to abstain from sexual intercourse, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and you know is uninfected.

For persons whose sexual behaviors place them at risk for STDs, correct and consistent use of the male latex condom can reduce the risk of STD transmission. However, no protective method is 100 percent effective, and condom use cannot guarantee absolute protection against any STD. Furthermore, condoms lubricated with spermicides are no more effective than other lubricated condoms in protecting against the transmission of HIV and other STDs. In order to achieve the protective effect of condoms, they must be used correctly and consistently. Incorrect use can lead to condom slippage or breakage, thus diminishing their protective effect. Inconsistent use, e.g., failure to use condoms with every act of intercourse, can lead to STD transmission because transmission can occur with a single act of intercourse.

While condom use has been associated with a lower risk of cervical cancer, the use of condoms should not be a substitute for routine screening with Pap smears to detect and prevent cervical cancer.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

The real question is, why does Planned Parenthood lie about it?

They don't.

Abstinence or lifelong monogamy are the most effective ways to avoid HPV infection. However, for most sexually active women, the most important preventive measure women can take to protect themselves from developing cervical cancer is having regular Pap tests (Janicek & Averette, 2001). Avoiding skin-to-skin contact with someone with HPV is the most effective strategy to prevent HPV infection. And although condoms may not eliminate the risk of transmitting HPV, the CDC recommends them for risk reduction (CDC, 2001). Since HPV sheds beyond the covered area, however, condoms do not provide as complete protection as they do for some other pathogens, such as HIV and gonorrhea (Stone, et al., 1999).

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: OS
Against HPV and HSV2. Even worse, there doesn't have to be symptoms for transmission. Do a search on google if you want to learn more.

Truth be told, I feel a little betrayed by the medical community. Why isn't this common knowledge?

I already knew. The real question is, why does Planned Parenthood lie about it?

Where do they lie about it? Here's a copy/paste from their website:

What It Is For and How Well It Works

The condom makes sex safer. It protects both partners during vaginal, anal, and oral intercourse.

The condom prevents pregnancy.

It prevents sperm from entering the vagina. Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 14 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use. ("Typical use" refers to failure rates for women and men whose condom use is not consistent or always correct.) Only two will become pregnant with perfect use. ("Perfect use" refers to failure rates for women and men whose condom use is consistent and always correct.)

More contraceptive protection is possible if contraceptive foams, creams, jellies, films, or suppositories are also used. They can immobilize sperm if the condom breaks. Some condoms are coated with the spermicide nonoxynol-9.

The latex condom protects against many sexually transmitted infections (STIs), including HIV ? the human immunodeficiency virus that can cause AIDS.
The latex condom offers better protection against STIs than any other birth control method. It blocks exchange of body fluids that may be infected.


Latex condoms offer good protection against:

vaginitis caused by infections like trichomoniasis
vaginitis caused by changes in the pH balance of the vagina that can be triggered by semen
pelvic inflammatory disease (PID)
gonorrhea
chlamydia
syphilis
chancroid
human immunodeficiency virus.

Latex condoms also offer some protection against:

human papilloma virus (HPV) that can cause genital warts
herpes simplex virus (HSV) that can cause genital herpes
hepatitis-B virus.
Plastic and animal tissue condoms are not recommended for protection against sexually transmitted infections. There have not been sufficient tests of plastic condoms. Some viruses, such as hepatitis-B and HIV, may be small enough to pass through the pores of animal tissue.

They clearly state that they're never 100% effective even with 'perfect use", that supplemental means of contraception is a good idea, and that they don't totally protect you against STD transmission.

 

"Truth be told, I feel a little betrayed by the medical community. Why isn't this common knowledge?"

Uhmmm . . . when last I checked, they weren't forcing you to have sex with strangers or anyone without knowing their sexual background. Quit whining and blaming people for your misfortunes or stupidity in life and thinking that there are no natural consequences.

If you want to discuss that so-called truth that you magically uncovered by using google, then discuss it and spread the news. However, end the childish blame.

 

[LuckyTaxi]

wut's a condom?

 

[huey1124]

Originally posted by: luvly
"Truth be told, I feel a little betrayed by the medical community. Why isn't this common knowledge?"

Uhmmm . . . when last I checked, they weren't forcing you to have sex with strangers or anyone without knowing their sexual background. Quit whining and blaming people for your misfortunes or stupidity in life and thinking that there are no natural consequences.

If you want to discuss that so-called truth that you magically uncovered by using google, then discuss it and spread the news. However, end the childish blame.

Amen.

 

[huey1124]

Originally posted by: lilcam
wut's a condom?

it's the thing that broke, and that's how you were concei.......


ah, forget it

 

[LuckyTaxi]

Originally posted by: huey1124

Originally posted by: lilcam
wut's a condom?

it's the thing that broke, and that's how you were concei.......


ah, forget it

hehehe ... thanks

 

[huey1124]

Originally posted by: lilcam

Originally posted by: huey1124

Originally posted by: lilcam
wut's a condom?

it's the thing that broke, and that's how you were concei.......


ah, forget it

hehehe ... thanks

hehe, anytime

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: huey1124

Originally posted by: lilcam
wut's a condom?

it's the thing that broke, and that's how you were concei.......


ah, forget it

Thats pretty much the speech I got from my mother. Plus, she was on the pill at the time.

<---- statistical aberration

 

[kranky]

I went to the Planned Parenthood site. I clicked on "Health Info", then "Birth Control", then "Facts about Birth Control", then "Your Contraceptive Choices" which is the first link, then clicked on "The Condom". I figure anyone who wanted to know about condoms as birth control is likely to follow that same series of links. I ended up at this page.

Seem fair so far? This is what the page says.

Latex condoms and the female condom are effective against many sexually transmitted infections ? including HIV.

ADVANTAGES

-easy to buy in drugstores, supermarkets, etc.
-can be put on or inserted as part of sex play
-the condom can help relieve premature ejaculation
-erection not necessary to keep female condom in place
-female condoms can be used by people allergic to latex
-external ring of female condom may stimulate clitoris

POSSIBLE DISADVANTAGES

-latex allergies
-loss of sensation
-breakage

I agree that elsewhere on the site the information Fausto1 quoted is there. But you have to go looking under Sexually Transmitted Infections to find it. There surely aren't any red flags on the page I quoted about condoms not being effective against certain STDs.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: kranky
I went to the Planned Parenthood site. I clicked on "Health Info", then "Birth Control", then "Facts about Birth Control", then "Your Contraceptive Choices" which is the first link, then clicked on "The Condom". I figure anyone who wanted to know about condoms as birth control is likely to follow that same series of links. I ended up at this page.

Seem fair so far? This is what the page says.

i disagree, when i went there to look for info on condoms, i clicked on the link that says "Condoms" instead of "Your Contraceptive Choices", and i think most people would do that as well.

 

[C'DaleRider]

Originally posted by: kranky
I went to the Planned Parenthood site. I clicked on "Health Info", then "Birth Control", then "Facts about Birth Control", then "Your Contraceptive Choices" which is the first link, then clicked on "The Condom". I figure anyone who wanted to know about condoms as birth control is likely to follow that same series of links. I ended up at this page.

Seem fair so far? This is what the page says.

Latex condoms and the female condom are effective against many sexually transmitted infections ? including HIV.

ADVANTAGES

-easy to buy in drugstores, supermarkets, etc.
-can be put on or inserted as part of sex play
-the condom can help relieve premature ejaculation
-erection not necessary to keep female condom in place
-female condoms can be used by people allergic to latex
-external ring of female condom may stimulate clitoris

POSSIBLE DISADVANTAGES

-latex allergies
-loss of sensation
-breakage

I agree that elsewhere on the site the information Fausto1 quoted is there. But you have to go looking under Sexually Transmitted Infections to find it. There surely aren't any red flags on the page I quoted about condoms not being effective against certain STDs.

Well, honestly, since you went looking for information about BIRTH CONTROL, that's what you got. Where's the lie?

If you were to look for information on STD's, you'd *gasp* find out that.

DUH.


What I see is a whiner bleating aobut a "cover-up" that in actuality does not exist.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

2% failure is pretty high... i thought it was like 0.3%

 

[Scarpozzi]

Condom are pretty effective against the worst STD.....pregnancy.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: SagaLore

The real question is, why does Planned Parenthood lie about it?

They don't.

Abstinence or lifelong monogamy are the most effective ways to avoid HPV infection. However, for most sexually active women, the most important preventive measure women can take to protect themselves from developing cervical cancer is having regular Pap tests (Janicek & Averette, 2001). Avoiding skin-to-skin contact with someone with HPV is the most effective strategy to prevent HPV infection. And although condoms may not eliminate the risk of transmitting HPV, the CDC recommends them for risk reduction (CDC, 2001). Since HPV sheds beyond the covered area, however, condoms do not provide as complete protection as they do for some other pathogens, such as HIV and gonorrhea (Stone, et al., 1999).

LIAR!



FeathersMcGraw & Fausto1: It's great they have that on their website. Too bad they don't teach that in person!

 

[Amused]

That there is even a debate over this is seriously depressing.

A seatbelt does not make you 100% safe in a car, right? But you still wear one.

Suuure, you could just not drive and be 100% safe... but how reasonable is that?

And driving isn't even a natural, built in urge. Sex is. We've been driving for 90 years or so. We've been fvcking since the dawn of everything.

Very few people are going to remain chaste for their entire lives. Wear your seatbelts.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: SagaLore

The real question is, why does Planned Parenthood lie about it?

They don't.

Abstinence or lifelong monogamy are the most effective ways to avoid HPV infection. However, for most sexually active women, the most important preventive measure women can take to protect themselves from developing cervical cancer is having regular Pap tests (Janicek & Averette, 2001). Avoiding skin-to-skin contact with someone with HPV is the most effective strategy to prevent HPV infection. And although condoms may not eliminate the risk of transmitting HPV, the CDC recommends them for risk reduction (CDC, 2001). Since HPV sheds beyond the covered area, however, condoms do not provide as complete protection as they do for some other pathogens, such as HIV and gonorrhea (Stone, et al., 1999).

LIAR!



FeathersMcGraw & Fausto1: It's great they have that on their website. Too bad they don't teach that in person!

What do you mean? Have you personally spoken with a PP representative?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Amused

That there is even a debate over this is seriously depressing.

A seatbelt does not make you 100% safe in a car, right? But you still wear one.

Suuure, you could just not drive and be 100% safe... but how reasonable is that?

And driving isn't even a natural, built in urge. Sex is. We've been driving for 90 years or so. We've been fvcking since the dawn of everything.

Very few people are going to remain chaste for their entire lives. Wear your seatbelts.

Great post award for this one....

For those of you who are parents, see to it that your kids have condoms way before you think they will need them....

 

[Night201]

It's nice knowing that my gf and I are 100% clean and have nothing to worry about when it comes to STD's!