Condoleezza Rice urges strong steps against Iran

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The whole point is that Kindasleezy Rice blew all her credability warning about WMD in Iraq and she still is nothing less than a distorter of the truth. So now she is the same position as the lttle boy who cried wolf. Everyone with any smarts ignores what she says anyway. Has nothing to do with her sex or racial ancesrtry.---she is just a known serial killer of the truth.

But for what its worth----she can play the piano very well.

Kindasleezy Rice... hehe I must admit I cracked a smile. 😛


Then again, that kind of kindergarden name calling also made me skip over the rest of your post. How can you expect people to take you seriously when you resort to such ad hominems?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: datalink7


Kindasleezy Rice... hehe I must admit I cracked a smile. 😛


Then again, that kind of kindergarden name calling also made me skip over the rest of your post. How can you expect people to take you seriously when you resort to such ad hominems?

Bush used "waffler" and "flip-flopper" a lot. The republicans don't have any problem attacking someone's credibility, or just outright lying about people. Yet people still take them seriously.

 

[strummer]

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Exactly... and thank god we have a man at the helm who will make the hard choices and do what needs done - instead of caving to popular opinion.

We live in a representative republic and not a democracy for a reason.

Popular opinion is not always the right choice - especially when you have a liberal, America critical media and privledged class that can whip the impressionable masses into a frenzy.

When are you planning on enlisting?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Hmm USA meddles in Iranian affairs for decades.

Populist movement overthrows corrupt regime . . . curiously new leadership isn't very friendly to the USA.

Iran is subsequently attacked by US-supported megalomaniac/human rights disaster . . . curiously the Iranians aren't very friendly to the USA.

Latest tool to occupy 1600PA labels the regime in Iran part of an axis of evil and pledges support for the people of Iran . . . moderates in Iran undergo an unprecedented loss of influence . . . curiously moderates and radicals aren't very supportive of US foreign policy.

For the past five years, the Bush Regime has made veiled and not so veiled threats against Iran . . . curiously Iran isn't very friendly to the USA.

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Despite a well-demarcated starting point . . . your ignorance of US-Iranian relations knows no bounds.

In short, we are screwed due to past transgressions, misunderstandings, and occasional willful offenses by both sides. Irreconcilable differences . . . sure they want to dominate the region +/- blow up Israel . . . we want to dominate the region AND the world. Unfortunatley, their leadership ("elected" and otherwise) sux . . . our leadership sux worse but the reign of Condoleezza "Cold War mentality" Rice and George "what do you mean Israel is the only country with nukes" Bush has an expiration date.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: strummer

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Exactly... and thank god we have a man at the helm who will make the hard choices and do what needs done - instead of caving to popular opinion.

We live in a representative republic and not a democracy for a reason.

Popular opinion is not always the right choice - especially when you have a liberal, America critical media and privledged class that can whip the impressionable masses into a frenzy.

When are you planning on enlisting?

what exactly do you mean by that? just curious...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The whole point is that Kindasleezy Rice blew all her credability warning about WMD in Iraq and she still is nothing less than a distorter of the truth. So now she is the same position as the lttle boy who cried wolf. Everyone with any smarts ignores what she says anyway. Has nothing to do with her sex or racial ancesrtry.---she is just a known serial killer of the truth.

But for what its worth----she can play the piano very well.

That **** flat-out lied to the 9/11 Commission. I wouldn't piss on her if she were on fire. Worthless she is.

 

[trenchfoot]

That **** flat-out lied to the 9/11 Commission. I wouldn't piss on her if she were on fire. Worthless she is.

yeh, she should'a took the honorable route and went arm-in-arm out the door with powell.

while she is very talented and scholastically gifted, essentially all she is now is a talking dummy sitting on bush's lap. what a waste.

as it stands, she'd do just as well posing in a playboy centerfold layout dressed in a (add your choice of color here_______) dental floss thong.

 

[strummer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: strummer

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Exactly... and thank god we have a man at the helm who will make the hard choices and do what needs done - instead of caving to popular opinion.

We live in a representative republic and not a democracy for a reason.

Popular opinion is not always the right choice - especially when you have a liberal, America critical media and privledged class that can whip the impressionable masses into a frenzy.

When are you planning on enlisting?

what exactly do you mean by that? just curious...

Just what it says. It is easy to talk or type tough when it is someone else's ass on the line.

We hit Iran and the sh1t is going to hit the fan in Basra and the other southern and eastern provinces of Iraq. The Brits will not be able to handle the hurt coming down by themselves. If they take casualties like we take casualties (it will likely be worse), there is no way that Blair will be able to keep British troops in Iraq.

Regardless if the Brits stay or not, more troops will be needed for southern and eastern Iraq. Also, any plan to attack Iran has to include a contingency to take the area around the Strait of Hormuz. I don't see the manpower. So if someone is going to spout off about attacking Iran, I say at least have the decency to stand by their convictions and be willing to make the sacrifice that they are asking others to make.


edit: typo

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The whole point is that Kindasleezy Rice blew all her credability warning about WMD in Iraq and she still is nothing less than a distorter of the truth. So now she is the same position as the lttle boy who cried wolf. Everyone with any smarts ignores what she says anyway. Has nothing to do with her sex or racial ancesrtry.---she is just a known serial killer of the truth.

But for what its worth----she can play the piano very well.

Kindasleezy Rice... hehe I must admit I cracked a smile. 😛


Then again, that kind of kindergarden name calling also made me skip over the rest of your post. How can you expect people to take you seriously when you resort to such ad hominems?

No, datalink7 has a point. Resorting to name calling or distortions of names is not valid arguement--its more kindergarden reasoning and I was wrong----but for what irs worth, I stole Kindasleezy from some other poster that used the name before I did. But if the sleezy name fits, I do invite Datalink7 back to give a reasoned analysis of why he agrees or disagrees. Or to explain why any rational human being should believe anything Condi Rice says.-----I also point out that in addition to casting out a clever name I also explained why I don't believe her. But my favorite Condi lie has always been those Aluminium tubes could ONLY be used for uranium enrichment.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: strummer
So if someone is going to spout off about attacking Iran, I say at least have the decency to stand by their convictions and be willing to make the sacrifice that they are asking others to make.
edit: typo

fair enough and well stated. I couldn't agree more!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm USA meddles in Iranian affairs for decades.

Populist movement overthrows corrupt regime . . . curiously new leadership isn't very friendly to the USA.

Iran is subsequently attacked by US-supported megalomaniac/human rights disaster . . . curiously the Iranians aren't very friendly to the USA.

Latest tool to occupy 1600PA labels the regime in Iran part of an axis of evil and pledges support for the people of Iran . . . moderates in Iran undergo an unprecedented loss of influence . . . curiously moderates and radicals aren't very supportive of US foreign policy.

For the past five years, the Bush Regime has made veiled and not so veiled threats against Iran . . . curiously Iran isn't very friendly to the USA.

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Despite a well-demarcated starting point . . . your ignorance of US-Iranian relations knows no bounds.

In short, we are screwed due to past transgressions, misunderstandings, and occasional willful offenses by both sides. Irreconcilable differences . . . sure they want to dominate the region +/- blow up Israel . . . we want to dominate the region AND the world. Unfortunatley, their leadership ("elected" and otherwise) sux . . . our leadership sux worse but the reign of Condoleezza "Cold War mentality" Rice and George "what do you mean Israel is the only country with nukes" Bush has an expiration date.

You can defend the Iranian people

do not defend the Iranian regime

thanks.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm USA meddles in Iranian affairs for decades.

Populist movement overthrows corrupt regime . . . curiously new leadership isn't very friendly to the USA.

Iran is subsequently attacked by US-supported megalomaniac/human rights disaster . . . curiously the Iranians aren't very friendly to the USA.

Latest tool to occupy 1600PA labels the regime in Iran part of an axis of evil and pledges support for the people of Iran . . . moderates in Iran undergo an unprecedented loss of influence . . . curiously moderates and radicals aren't very supportive of US foreign policy.

For the past five years, the Bush Regime has made veiled and not so veiled threats against Iran . . . curiously Iran isn't very friendly to the USA.

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Despite a well-demarcated starting point . . . your ignorance of US-Iranian relations knows no bounds.

In short, we are screwed due to past transgressions, misunderstandings, and occasional willful offenses by both sides. Irreconcilable differences . . . sure they want to dominate the region +/- blow up Israel . . . we want to dominate the region AND the world. Unfortunatley, their leadership ("elected" and otherwise) sux . . . our leadership sux worse but the reign of Condoleezza "Cold War mentality" Rice and George "what do you mean Israel is the only country with nukes" Bush has an expiration date.

You can defend the Iranian people

do not defend the Iranian regime

thanks.

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Article on USAtoday.com has Rice advocating strong action against Iran's nuclear program. I am not amazed that someone in the Bush administration would advocate this, but more that an African-American woman would. She seems to flow in the opposition of the political stereotype for minority women, and indeed most of the minority women I know tend to be much more leftish than she is. That is all 🙂

I hear Canada is nice this time of year.

*goes off to check Expedia*

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm USA meddles in Iranian affairs for decades.

Populist movement overthrows corrupt regime . . . curiously new leadership isn't very friendly to the USA.

Iran is subsequently attacked by US-supported megalomaniac/human rights disaster . . . curiously the Iranians aren't very friendly to the USA.

Latest tool to occupy 1600PA labels the regime in Iran part of an axis of evil and pledges support for the people of Iran . . . moderates in Iran undergo an unprecedented loss of influence . . . curiously moderates and radicals aren't very supportive of US foreign policy.

For the past five years, the Bush Regime has made veiled and not so veiled threats against Iran . . . curiously Iran isn't very friendly to the USA.

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Despite a well-demarcated starting point . . . your ignorance of US-Iranian relations knows no bounds.

In short, we are screwed due to past transgressions, misunderstandings, and occasional willful offenses by both sides. Irreconcilable differences . . . sure they want to dominate the region +/- blow up Israel . . . we want to dominate the region AND the world. Unfortunatley, their leadership ("elected" and otherwise) sux . . . our leadership sux worse but the reign of Condoleezza "Cold War mentality" Rice and George "what do you mean Israel is the only country with nukes" Bush has an expiration date.

You can defend the Iranian people

do not defend the Iranian regime

thanks.

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

Not going to happen tomorrow.

The movements are there.. even on places such as myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=25633371

All these people who are part of these movements go to Iran and return saying "I love it there". Yet, they want the govt. to fall.

This is life in Iran: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RlN418VHXAY&search
The people are not suffering. They are out having fun. Iran's population is 70% young.

The govt. might be horrible, but the economy is growing at fast rates (6-8% year). In 1999 the govt. saw the worst riots and hundreds were arrested and beaten up. In 1999 Iran's economy was a disaster.

The last President before the current psycho President was a cool guy. He wanted to change Iran, but he was a coward with no balls. He calmed the people down because he gave people hope. However, any attempt of change was easily blocked by the head mullahs who control Iran. He simply put his head down like a coward and let them walk all over him. In the end he was no different from the idiots who run Iran.

That is why since 1999 on top of the economy growing there have not been any major riots.,

Today .. the Iranian people are not worried about changing their govt. They are worried about an invasion from the U.S or an attack. They believe nuclear power is their right. Iranians are easily united when an outside party attacks them. It unites the entire country. Afghans and Iraqis wanted the U.S to invade them.

Even after the fall of the Shah, the entire country was not in favor of Khomeini. Yet, when the Arabs invaded all Iranians came together and put their differences aside.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm USA meddles in Iranian affairs for decades.

Populist movement overthrows corrupt regime . . . curiously new leadership isn't very friendly to the USA.

Iran is subsequently attacked by US-supported megalomaniac/human rights disaster . . . curiously the Iranians aren't very friendly to the USA.

Latest tool to occupy 1600PA labels the regime in Iran part of an axis of evil and pledges support for the people of Iran . . . moderates in Iran undergo an unprecedented loss of influence . . . curiously moderates and radicals aren't very supportive of US foreign policy.

For the past five years, the Bush Regime has made veiled and not so veiled threats against Iran . . . curiously Iran isn't very friendly to the USA.

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S and Iran have been going at it for 26 years.

Iran is basically pushing the U.S and the U.S is just standing by allowing them to push.

One of these days the U.S is going to slap them in the face.

Despite a well-demarcated starting point . . . your ignorance of US-Iranian relations knows no bounds.

In short, we are screwed due to past transgressions, misunderstandings, and occasional willful offenses by both sides. Irreconcilable differences . . . sure they want to dominate the region +/- blow up Israel . . . we want to dominate the region AND the world. Unfortunatley, their leadership ("elected" and otherwise) sux . . . our leadership sux worse but the reign of Condoleezza "Cold War mentality" Rice and George "what do you mean Israel is the only country with nukes" Bush has an expiration date.

You can defend the Iranian people

do not defend the Iranian regime

thanks.

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

Not going to happen tomorrow.

The movements are there.. even on places such as myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=25633371

All these people who are part of these movements go to Iran and return saying "I love it there". Yet, they want the govt. to fall.

This is life in Iran: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RlN418VHXAY&search
The people are not suffering. They are out having fun. Iran's population is 70% young.

The govt. might be horrible, but the economy is growing at fast rates (6-8% year). In 1999 the govt. saw the worst riots and hundreds were arrested and beaten up. In 1999 Iran's economy was a disaster.

The last President before the current psycho President was a cool guy. He wanted to change Iran, but he was a coward with no balls. He calmed the people down because he gave people hope. However, any attempt of change was easily blocked by the head mullahs who control Iran. He simply put his head down like a coward and let them walk all over him. In the end he was no different from the idiots who run Iran.

That is why since 1999 on top of the economy growing there have not been any major riots.,

Today .. the Iranian people are not worried about changing their govt. They are worried about an invasion from the U.S or an attack. They believe nuclear power is their right. Iranians are easily united when an outside party attacks them. It unites the entire country. Afghans and Iraqis wanted the U.S to invade them.

Even after the fall of the Shah, the entire country was not in favor of Khomeini. Yet, when the Arabs invaded all Iranians came together and put their differences aside.

if there are strategic hits conducted against the Iranian enrichment sites, will the Iranians unite and invade Iraq to take on our troops there? what else will they do? what else can they do?

What would it take, at this point, for them to rise up again and oust their fanatical mullahs and President? Will strategic hits against the enrichment sites give their President more or less power?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

if there are strategic hits conducted against the Iranian enrichment sites, will the Iranians unite and invade Iraq to take on our troops there? what else will they do? what else can they do?

They won't have to . . . b/c Iranian operatives are already in Iraq. One scenario is that Shia in Iraq (likely with Iranian backing) will begin attacking US interests in Iraq. Combined with the current insurgency of Saddam loyalists and external agitators . . . it's going to be a real mess. From a geopolitical standpoint, Iraqi leadership will almost certainly be compelled by popular sentiment to cease cooperation with the US government. If there's an Iraqi Parliament (don't laugh) one of their first resolutions would likely be a call for US troops/Coalition forces to hit the bricks ASAP.

I doubt Iran would squeeze oil supply though. The price of oil will go north of $100/barrel regardless. So Iran will keep pumping to the gills and then funnel the extra proceeds into their nuclear sites that we don't know about.

Arab League (which includes some US allies) will likely approve a similar call for US forces to leave member countries . . . Qatar and Kuwait will be hard pressed to stop it.

If we use nukes in attack . . . oh it will really sux to be us.

What would it take, at this point, for them to rise up again and oust their fanatical mullahs and President? Will strategic hits against the enrichment sites give their President more or less power?

Despite being a crappy candidate in a bad field . . . the President has a lot of popular support. The mullahs will lose power when a significant portion of Persia converts to Buddhism . . .

The mullahs are essentially all powerful so strikes will have minimal impact on them. But their chosen boy will certainly rouse his political base even moreso. Further, moderates will be looking to emigrate. Anyone espousing pro-West or at the very least less anti-West sentiment will be branded an enemy of the state.

Attacking Iran is essentially the only way to guarantee reforms don't happen any time soon.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Personally, I say let Iran have the nukes. I will simply avoid living in a major border/coastal city such as Houston, New York, San Francisco, and Miami. When the nuke goes off there will be outrage for a week and then the victims will again be calling the terrorists freedom fighters.

The more nukes the fewer there will be who will tolerate such actions.

/disgusted sarcasm

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

As soon as the American people step up and get rid of our whacked out fanatical government.

 

[BBond]

Just hoping...

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

As soon as the American people step up and get rid of our whacked out fanatical government.

That is not likely to happen. Even if the Republicans (and there are many of us who will) the Democrats won't. When that happens we will have another Jimmy Carter era complete with double digit inflation, or worse.

 

[robphelan]

the iranians came to the US with hat-in-hand asking for security assurances in exchange for giving up the nukes a year ago.

the current administration wouldn't even talk to them.

we could have taken care of this a long time ago by working with them instead of now getting in a p|ssing contest with them.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

speaking of which, when are the "Iranian people" going to step up and get rid of their whacked out fanatical government for us? anytime now?

just hoping...

As soon as the American people step up and get rid of our whacked out fanatical government.

That is not likely to happen. Even if the Republicans (and there are many of us who will) the Democrats won't. When that happens we will have another Jimmy Carter era complete with double digit inflation, or worse.

You do realize that our current low inflation has almost nothing to do with the current administration? Now those budget deficits and intrusive public policy . . . they get a lot of credit for those.