Condi Rice . . . end of Discussion . . .

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: raildogg
heh Michael Savage was ripping Boxer to shreads yesterday. Called her a hag.

He said she was on the side of the terrorists and that she was racist because she cant stand a black woman thats in a higher position than she is.

the yentertainer, rofl

How is that "ripping her to shreads"? A good attack focuses on what's actually bad about a person, not childish name calling.

 

[irwincur]

I'm surprised Kerry even showed up. He tends to miss a lot of these things. Oh but wait, the cameras were there this time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Dragnov
Boxer is an idiot. No one likes her, not even Californians. The problem is that Californians dont like the fundy Conservatives that keep running against her even more.

That being said, Condi Rice as Secretary of State? Ack. The Secretary of State position has generally been filled by the more moderate, err on the side of caution, diplomacy, etc. personalities. With the fall guy Powell out, Condi Rice? Ack. I feel shes still stuck in her Cold War view of the world.

Hunh?

Boxer is well-liked. She has been the one lone voice of reasoned dissent in the right's imperialistic march. She voted against the 1991 Gulf War resolution. She saw through the facade.

What was the facade regarding GWI.

We did what was asked by the UN and no more.

 

[phillyTIM]

this just shows what sad state of affairs our government exhibits these days

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Dragnov
Boxer is an idiot. No one likes her, not even Californians. The problem is that Californians dont like the fundy Conservatives that keep running against her even more.

That being said, Condi Rice as Secretary of State? Ack. The Secretary of State position has generally been filled by the more moderate, err on the side of caution, diplomacy, etc. personalities. With the fall guy Powell out, Condi Rice? Ack. I feel shes still stuck in her Cold War view of the world.

Hunh?

Boxer is well-liked. She has been the one lone voice of reasoned dissent in the right's imperialistic march. She voted against the 1991 Gulf War resolution. She saw through the facade.

What was the facade regarding GWI.

We did what was asked by the UN and no more.

The Bush administration allowed Saddam to invade Kuwait. Called a disagreement over borders or something and said it wasn't something the US was concerned with.

Also, satellite photos were faked to show Iraqi troops amassing on the Saudi border.

Many Iraqi expatriates were against an invasion of Iraq by the west as they didn't want their country destroyed. They wanted diplomatic means to get Saddam out of Kuwait. But, they were completely ignored by the Bush administration and by our MSM.

 

[kage69]

I'm surprised Kerry even showed up. He tends to miss a lot of these things. Oh but wait, the cameras were there this time.

Heh, yeah, it reminded me of when the whole 'pledge of allegiance' issue was in the news and suddenly the RR attendance during the pledge in Congress skyrocketed. Cameras, ooooooooooooo.....

 

[Looney]

Rice is wickedly intelligent, but SoS? They need somebody more moderate, somebody that the rest of the world actually likes.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: raildogg
heh Michael Savage was ripping Boxer to shreads yesterday. Called her a hag.

He said she was on the side of the terrorists and that she was racist because she cant stand a black woman thats in a higher position than she is.

the yentertainer, rofl

yet more proof that Michael Savage is a moron.

Nah, more likely bipolar or just an idiot flipflopper...you never know if he'll kiss Bush's @$$ that day or rip him to shreds.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Yeah, maybe but not on the day of Bush's Coronation !

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Hardcore
Rice is wickedly intelligent, but SoS? They need somebody more moderate, somebody that the rest of the world actually likes.

Was Shultz really liked but the world?

 

[Starbuck1975]

TextThe Bush administration allowed Saddam to invade Kuwait. Called a disagreement over borders or something and said it wasn't something the US was concerned with.

You have got to be kidding me...not enough time has passed since the first Gulf War for the historically revised version.
Not communicating concern over a border dispute and authorizing one country to invade another are two totally different things, and there is an important distinction.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

TextThe Bush administration allowed Saddam to invade Kuwait. Called a disagreement over borders or something and said it wasn't something the US was concerned with.

You have got to be kidding me...not enough time has passed since the first Gulf War for the historically revised version.
Not communicating concern over a border dispute and authorizing one country to invade another are two totally different things, and there is an important distinction.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/se...tack/2003/0105lies.htm

When Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait on Aug. 2, 1990, the first President Bush likened it to Nazi Germany's occupation of the Rhineland. ³If history teaches us anything, it is that we must resist aggression or it will destroy our freedoms,² he declared. The administration leaked reports that tens of thousands of Iraqi troops were massing on the border of Saudi Arabia in preparation for an invasion of the world's major oil fields. The globe's industrial economies would be held hostage if Iraq succeeded.

The reality was different. Two Soviet satellite photos obtained by the St. Petersburg Times raised questions about such a buildup of Iraqi troops. Neither the CIA nor the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency viewed an Iraqi attack on Saudi Arabia as probable. The administration's estimate of Iraqi troop strength was also grossly exaggerated. After the war, Newsday's Susan Sachs called Iraq the ³phantom enemy²: ³The bulk of the mighty Iraqi army, said to number more than 500,000 in Kuwait and southern Iraq, couldn't be found.²

Students of the Gulf War largely agree that Hussein's invasion of Kuwait was primarily motivated by specific historical grievances, not by Hitler-style ambitions. Like most Iraqi rulers before him, Hussein refused to accept borders drawn by Britain after World War I that virtually cut Iraq off from the Gulf. Iraq also chafed at Kuwait's demand that Iraq repay loans made to it during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s.

Administration officials seemed to understand all this. In July 1990, U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad April Glaspie told Hussein that Washington had ³no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait,² a statement she later regretted.

The National Security Council's first meeting after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was equally low key. As one participant reportedly put it, the attitude was, ³Hey, too bad about Kuwait, but it's just a gas station who cares whether the sign says Sinclair or Exxon?²

But administration hawks, led by Cheney, saw a huge opportunity to capitalize on Iraq's move against Kuwait. The elder Bush publicly pronounced, ³a line has been drawn in the sand,² and he called for a ³new world order ... free from the threat of terror.² His unstated premise, as noted by National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, was that the United States ³henceforth would be obligated to lead the world community to an unprecedented degree² as it attempted ³to pursue our national interests.²

 

[raildogg]

if you look beyond Michael Savage's rage and anger, and really listen to the man, he definately makes a lot of sense.

he says that if these terrorists continue to kill Americans over there, we should wipe one of their cities off the map. now thats a bit extreme INO. but what makes Savage great is that he is not a republican sheep, he actually criticizes Bush a lot and says the republican party does not represent conservatives, which I agree with

 

[Starbuck1975]

Your website link proves nothing...it is one interpretation, and a fairly slanted one driven towards supporting a conclusion that is unfounded and without historical merit...just another fringe tin foil hat conspiracy website...the little opinion piece fails to cite sources for its more outrageous claims...also places emphasis on the supposed Iraqi threat of invading Saudi Arabia, which is irrelevent considering Saddam had already invaded Kuwait...and that the world was responding to his invasion of Kuwait and not the potential threat he posed to Saudi Arabia.

We did not care about border disputes in the Middle East...if two nations want to get involved in border pissing matches, it is none of our concern...however, our policy makers envisioned a conflict on the scale of the border disputes between India and Pakistan...the occasional exchange of artillery shells...some direct fire confrontations between patrols...this does not mean that the Bush Sr. Administration gave permission to Saddam Hussein to invade Iraq as part of some grand master scheme, which the author also fails to document, cite or make much of a case for.

I am sorry but one opinion piece on some random website does not the historical truth make.

 

[conjur]

Go do more research, then. I remember the runup to the war and one of the key justifications was the alleged threat to Saudi Arabia. Remember, bin Laden wanted the Saudis to let his Al Qaeda organization protect Mecca and Medina from Saddam but the Saudis opted to have the US military have a sizable presence. That incensed bin Laden and led to Al Qaeda focusing on the US in its attacks. But, I'm digressing a bit.

Go search. The satellite photos were faked. Glaspie made that remark. Saddam was, essentially, given a green light by the US to do whatever he wanted. Although, Saddam might have taken things a bit further.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/august2002/0208049.html


And

The Fifth Estate: The Unauthorized Biography of Dick Cheney
http://news.globalfreepress.co...zedCheneyBiography.mov
Note: This video also shows the LIE involved in justifying the Gulf War in 1991 wherein the U.S. gave fake satellite photos to the Saudis to get them to invite our military into their country. They (the CBC) obtained Russian sat. photos from the same day that did not show Iraqi troops and tanks amassing on the Kuwait/Saudi border. The St. Petersburg Times (FL) and the Christian Science Monitor also have articles discussing these faked satellite photos.

This film also uncovers what was going on in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans (OSP). They interview Seymour Hersh who wrote Selective Intelligence and also The Stovepipe and they interview Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski who wrote The New Pentagon Papers and worked in the OSP run by Wolfowitz/Feith.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Wel, well.

2 consecutive Wars with Iraq based on false documentation and faked data.

Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Feith all involved within a Bush Administration.

Huge Bush and Cheney Oil investments in Saudi & Kuwait.

Who'd a thunk it, not much of a pattern there.

 

[nageov3t]

bad situation for Democrats. anyone who votes no leaves themselves open to accusations of racism in the next election.

I'm sure she'll get coronated pretty easily.

 

[slyedog]

everybody will vote to confirm Rice except boxer and her bitch-j kerry. kennedy would like to not confirm
her, but because she is black, he will.

 

[raildogg]

haha bitter Kerry voted no for her confirmation. along with the yentertainer, Boxer. bitter bitter bitter

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Wel, well.

2 consecutive Wars with Iraq based on false documentation and faked data.

Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Feith all involved within a Bush Administration.

Huge Bush and Cheney Oil investments in Saudi & Kuwait.

Who'd a thunk it, not much of a pattern there.

At one time, I thought this way also. But when I think about the power of the Media and remember the massive pr campaign that the kuwait's launched after SH invaded, I started to realize that the president of this country, in the end, gives the people what they want.

I was privy to some of the horrors committed by Iraq and the coalition, to the point of having bad blood on my hands, from both sides.

I see these things that I did as a personal failure of my own, to be in such a situation that would cause me to do things that I did not really want to do, but I don't blame them on other people.

I just wish that people would realize that the president does work for the majority and the minority need to keep in mind that their inability to elect the man they want to do the job the way they want it done, is their own damn fault, not something that they can blame on someone else.

But if it helps you sleep at night, blame your failures on other people, hell, blame me for everything that you see as wrong in the world, I can handle it....

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Edit: Ok tell me, what did Boxer say that was untrue?

B. BOXER:"Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote."

Either she's lying, downright crazy, or didn't read the legislation.

fyi: If I remember correctly, the legislation had ~17 reasons for going to Iraq. They certainly oversold WMD's, but it was not "WMD, period."

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Edit: Ok tell me, what did Boxer say that was untrue?

B. BOXER:"Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote."

Either she's lying, downright crazy, or didn't read the legislation.

fyi: If I remember correctly, the legislation had ~17 reasons for going to Iraq. They certainly oversold WMD's, but it was not "WMD, period."

There would not have been support the war if it wasn't for WMD claim.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Edit: Ok tell me, what did Boxer say that was untrue?

B. BOXER:"Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote."

Either she's lying, downright crazy, or didn't read the legislation.

fyi: If I remember correctly, the legislation had ~17 reasons for going to Iraq. They certainly oversold WMD's, but it was not "WMD, period."

There would not have been support the war if it wasn't for WMD claim.

I know what you mean. Wasn't it sureal that Bush bought into all of their (Congress) BS?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
That is the committee vote.

It will be intereting when the full Senate votes.
Then the hot airs will be distinguished from those that have principle.

Kerry had to vote against anything Bushs proposes as a matter of policy.
Boxer was the one the was crying over the EC confirmation. ATP&N Link

Or maybe those are the only two Senators with the cajones to stand up and point out that Rice is a God awful choice for Sec State :disgust:

Boxer cried and Kerry ran against Bush, that certainly must mean they aren't right, right? I swear, some of you Bush supporters would support ANYTHING Bush layed on the table.

My own opinion is that Rice should not be SOS.
However, Boxer's theatrics are a disgrace.

Actually.. I agree.. she should not be SOS....

She should be PRESIDENT... Rice/Rumsfeld in '08!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
That is the committee vote.

It will be intereting when the full Senate votes.
Then the hot airs will be distinguished from those that have principle.

Kerry had to vote against anything Bushs proposes as a matter of policy.
Boxer was the one the was crying over the EC confirmation. ATP&N Link

Or maybe those are the only two Senators with the cajones to stand up and point out that Rice is a God awful choice for Sec State :disgust:

Boxer cried and Kerry ran against Bush, that certainly must mean they aren't right, right? I swear, some of you Bush supporters would support ANYTHING Bush layed on the table.

My own opinion is that Rice should not be SOS.
However, Boxer's theatrics are a disgrace.

Actually.. I agree.. she should not be SOS....

She should be PRESIDENT... Rice/Rumsfeld in '08!!

Personally I think I would like to see them run.