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Condaleeza Rice named National Security Advisor

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<< I am really getting sick of idiots such as you calling me a &quot;Liberal&quot; &quot;pinko&quot; &quot;commie&quot; etc >>




how about &quot;Festering Rancid Vaginal Discharge&quot;
 
Unlike the token positions Dems hand out to minorities, Bush is actually putting qualified minorities in positions of power. SOS for Powell is the most prestigious cabinet position, and if Cheney were to die in office, Powell would become VP. Rice is also a highly qualified candidate. This sure beats the Dems with appointing minorities to positions like Surgeon-General...who have no powere anways.

 
Daemon, Unless you know me I think you should refrain from making those types of unwarranted comments.
For the Blind, my statements where as follows, these are good appointments, there timing is suspect and completly orchastraited, the way and manner that they are being announced is to &quot;APPEAR&quot; like a &quot;Uniter not a Divider&quot;, who knows, maybe these will be the only minority appoinments he makes, and who cares to be quite frank, these are attempts to win the crowds over, the sleepwalking boneheads of america, the sheep and all those that can't see it for what it is..politics. Most complained about &quot;Slick Willy&quot; trying to pull the wool over americas eyes, well what is this?
I have to post a thread pointing out where I stand every now and again because people misconstrue my beliefs as &quot;Liberal&quot; since I am not a lock-stepping sheep like themselves.

1) I believe that Censorship of anykind is unacceptable. I support any group or organization to have the right to voice their opinions no matter how repulsive or how much I disagree. This means if the KKK wants to march in minority areas then they have that right. I also believe that Sexually explicit materials should not be censored under the guidelines given these days.

2) Gun ownership should not be infringed upon, ever. The federal goverment is the only benifactor of an unarmed society.

3) I believe that Abortion, Euthenasia, etc.. are a personal matter and the Federal Goverment has no business involving itself in the peoples desiscions.

4)Income taxation is illeagal, the only appropriate taxation would be a &quot;user tax&quot;.

5) States rights matter, this was one of my beefs with Bushs campian, he went directly to the Fed courts to seek injunctions rather than pursue it on the state level. Local control is much better for this country and democracy as a whole, this means that county level goverments should have the right to do as they will as long as its is legal in that state, and states have that right as long as it doesnt interfere with Federal laws.

6) The military should be strentghened and used as a diplomatic tool to put pressure on rougue states and assert forign policy. 🙂

7)Racism is unamerican.

8)Conservation of the Countries resources can be done in a manner which would allow the preservation of the Flora and Fauna while also extracting those resorces for our purposes, but rushing to do either in a manner that could do harm is unwise.

9)Religion and Politics do not, should not and really ought not mix. The seperation of church and state is what drove this country into existance, allowing any one type of Religious belief to have a foot over another could and will only lead to oppression.


So, how &quot;Liberal&quot; am I really? Seems I am prolly further &quot;right&quot; than most you clowns, but still, since I do not support Bush I am labeled a &quot;Liberal&quot;. I voted McAin in the primaries and Browne for president, oh yeah... pink to the bone. Do my a Favor and quit with the &quot;Liberal&quot; crap, just because I am not a SHEEP does it mean I am a &quot;Liberal&quot;





SHUX
 
I believe that Abortion, Euthenasia, etc.. are a personal matter

Uh, do you know what enthenasia means? Are you saying that if Grandma is sick, that you should be able to kill her w/o govt. interference?

The seperation of church and state is what drove this country into existance

This is the biggest pile of poo' that people keep barfing up as if it's true. ONE (not the only) of the factors in the Revolution was the Church of England, a STATE-CREATED religion. The anti-religious forces have misstated this and the First Ammendment as guaranteeing freedom FROM religion. Far from it; it only means that the U.S. Govt. can't establish the &quot;Church of America&quot;.

Unfortunately, God-haters use it as a club against anyone who may say that certain behavior is undesirable, telling them to shut up. If anyone but a Democrat sets foot in a church, they scream about the undue influence of &quot;those Jesus freaks&quot;, while allowing Gore or Clinton to play &quot;Baptist preacher for a day&quot;.

Condoleeza Rice is an acknowledged expert on the Soviet Union and advised Daddy Bush during the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. She is Provost at Stanford and a former Democrat. I don't think she's a &quot;token&quot; anything.

Isn't it funny that non-Democratic blacks are insulted by the Left and NAACP as being sell-outs? Why is that? Because they may have attained success WITHOUT a government program, thus making the claims of Jesse Jackson et al that blacks are doomed unless they vote for Democrats to give them programs, untrue?
 


<< ONE (not the only) of the factors in the Revolution was the Church of England, a STATE-CREATED religion. The anti-religious forces have misstated this and the First Ammendment as guaranteeing freedom FROM religion. Far from it; it only means that the U.S. Govt. can't establish the &quot;Church of America&quot;. >>



Wrong, that is exactly why Religion and Goverment should not mix, if you look back to history instead of getting your info about Religion in this country from sunday school then you will see that Quakers and Puritans and Catholics came here from persicution from all over europe. They came from the netherlands and other countries as well to form colonies where your beliefs would not land you in jail. Rhode Island was formed out of a dispute with the Puritans. This whole notion that the founding fathers had some great vision of a great bastion of christianity is absured and completly unfounded. Take your born-again philosophy somewhere else.






SHUX
 


<< Uh, do you know what enthenasia means? Are you saying that if Grandma is sick, that you should be able to kill her w/o govt. interference? >>



Grandma should have that right as well as her family, should she not be able to communicate that.








SHUX
 
Shmux dribbled:



<< Grandma should have that right as well as her family, should she not be able to communicate that. >>



So exactly what are you saying here? Grandma's family now has a say when the 'ole bat kicks? Heaven forbid that little Timmy's inheritance might be squandered by Granny Wrinkle, Timmy's daddy thinks it's time to &quot;take her out&quot; of the old folks home and get that much needed Corvette he's been aching for since that mid-life crisis.

If I were in you're family I ask for your plug to be pulled right now, I got $$ that says you're draining your family's resources this very minute. If it weren't for your inability at earning a living, mom and dad probably wouldn't have to pull the plug on Granny to afford a Pacific cruise.
 
Obviously you can't make Shux happy.

He won't be happy unless GWB drops a nuclear warhead on his toe, thus proving that he is really as dumb as everyone in the press would have us believe.

Let's see his argument is A) These appointments are of good, qualified people.
and
B) They are politically motivated so they must be exposed as a sham.

Maybe it's just me, but this is politics, did someone change the rules all the sudden?
Has anyone argued that they aren't politically motivated? Did anyone notice that two men spent
a ton of money over the course of a year to earn the right to make these appointments, in the process telling millions of Americans what they thought they wanted to hear?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Shux would be bitching if Bush had appointed anyone else. He just likes to bitch.


😀

Shux, if you'd like to name some people whose appointments would make you happy and NOT be politically motivated, feel free.
 
Actually Corn I walk like I talk and have a DNR (Do Not Resusitate) on myself and my wife has one for her and our son, all in cases that we have outlined. We also are parts donors should anything happen.

Fdisk,
It isn't about the appointments as I have said, and you are right it is politics, not everyone has seen it for what it is. I will give you this you are more aware of reality than most here, congrats.







SHUX

 
Schmux, LOL, do you not understand the difference between euthanasia and DNR? As the Ref already stated, go look up the defination. At the very least it would help you appear to give an informed opinion.
 
Nothing I said is refuted by your God-hater screed. There have not been any moves against religions like you're trying to claim in America (Waco excepted) due to the Constitutional protections.

If anything, there HAS been the rise of a state-sponsored religion: secular humanism. God is being driven out of the society and replaced with Government as the all-powerful, all-encompassing power over us. That's why the persecution of &quot;people of faith&quot; that's happening. Communism was brought down in Poland due to the support of the Church there, and the U.S. Gods can't permit that to occur here.

I am NOT a born-again Christian. I consider myself Christian, but don't subscribe to a particular flavor of religion. I don't have any problem with Church-goers, I just have some problems with the structure. That's my problem and I don't use it to tear down someone else's faith.

I ditto Corn's thoughts, Shux must have a rich relative he'd like whacked so that he can get the Benjis. Sicko. Maybe his kids will have him erased to get the $$$. That would be sweet karma.🙂
 
Corn,
I know very well what euthenasia means, I have put the DNR on myself since the Goverment has decided that keeping me alive against my will is in thier best intrest. I am not suggesting that the goverment support euthenasia either, it should be up to the individual or family to go ahead with &quot;mercy killing&quot; if that is what you want to hear. You so called &quot;conservatives&quot; that have these stupid moralistic views should look up small goverment and the implications of imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of the country. Haley Barber has his work cut out, to bad he's a spineless putz who can't help but take all that money from right-wing christian groups.






SHUX
 
DefRef and Corn

So you think that a family should be forced to keep their vegetable relative alive and on life support forever? When should the plug be pulled? Only when their money is gone? What's the point? To destroy a family based on the slim chance that the person will recover?

And as for euthansia, why shouldn't a person be allowed to choose to end their own life in a painless manner?
 


<< If anything, there HAS been the rise of a state-sponsored religion: secular humanism. >>



No thats not true either, that is what the religious right has been spewing in light of the consistant defeats to get prayer in school and everywhere else they can, maybe its just Americans seeing the light in regards to those Christians that would have us all bow at thier alters, given the chance mind you. Who knows we now have a born-again as our President, maybe you'll get your wish. You sound exactly like every single one of those who support that idea, &quot;Secular Humanism&quot; my butt, Seperation of Church and State is what it is, nothing more nothing less, you can spin it into whatever you want but the same people on the USSC that elected GWB have consistantly ruled against allowing the types of things you seemingly support.





SHUX
 


<< it should be up to the individual or family to go ahead with &quot;mercy killing&quot; if that is what you want to hear. >>



But what if Granny doesn't want to go? Does the &quot;family&quot; get to veto her decision to spend their inheritance?

A DNR is on a completely different plane of reasoning than euthanasia. A DNR forbids medical intervention upon the tragic circumstances usually endured by trauma of some sort which results in the patients inability at ever regaining conciousness during a very short life expantancy--usually days or less. Under a &quot;government stay out&quot; euthanasia scenario you could have granny offed because of bronchitis or a stubbed toe--it's the &quot;family's&quot; decision after all, am I not right? I live in the land where Dr. K once tread, I'm happy that gouhl is locked up--the only &quot;favor&quot; he did for anyone was himself by making himself famous and helping to cure his insatiable desire to kill people--most of whom weren't even terminal!
 


<< So you think that a family should be forced to keep their vegetable relative alive and on life support forever? >>



If that were the only time that euthanasia were to be administered, then I would heartily agree with it Bober. The problem is that the proponents of euthanasia want to off &quot;the sick&quot; before there is even a plug to pull so the greedy money grabbing demoncrats......err another freaudian slip there, sorry, I mean money grabbing children can pressure granny to &quot;do the right thing&quot; and hurry up and croak already cuz I need da money beyotch!!!!
 


<< Under a &quot;government stay out&quot; euthanasia scenario you could have granny offed because of bronchitis or a stubbed toe--it's the &quot;family's&quot; decision after all, am I not right? >>


Now there is some logic, what kind I am unsure but logic none the less. Its not up to you or the Goverment to decide how I want to live or not live as is the case here.It is NONE of the Goverments, or yours frankly, if I or someone near and dear doesnt want to suffer a long or short death, it really doesnt matter why the person wants to go, it just matters that they have that right.




SHUX

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<< The problem is that the proponents of euthanasia want to off &quot;the sick&quot; before there is even a plug to pull so the greedy money grabbing demoncrats >>


You are one sick and twisted puppy with a head full of crap. You cant even have a discussion without being a mindless partisian sheep.








SHUX
 


<< Now there is some logic, what kind I am sure but logic none the less. >>



That almost made sense.
 
Shux: It's clear that you have a deep-seated hatred of religion and are totally opposed to any expressions of faith by anyone other than Democrats who wish to go into the churchs to stump for votes. You obviously support the Soviet-style &quot;atheism as state religion&quot; as a means to oppress the people who you say should be free. It's useless to debate a wall, so I'm done here.

It's great that you have a DNR, though I doubt you were in any danger.
 


<< You obviously support the Soviet-style &quot;atheism as state religion&quot; as a means to oppress the people who you say should be free >>



Umm, not. I pray everyday.. so much for the &quot;hatred of Religion&quot; theory and to liken any of my beliefs to communism is completly unfounded. You sir have nothing with which to defend your pathetic stance on this topic and resort to the same ridiculous name calling reffering to DEMOcrats which I already have outlined as something I am not affiliated with. You should learn from Russ, once your beaten, just don't respond else you'll look like an ass.







SHUX






 
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