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Concentration of wealth

I constantly read here that wealth concentration is bad/immoral/etc. So the question becomes - At what point does "concentration" become "bad"? What should the concentration be? And then How does one change the concentration?


I happen to think that wealth concentration is not as big of an issue as some would like to have you believe. We will never have economic(wealth) equality nor total wealth concentration so where exactly is the sweet spot? I don't know.
 
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.
 
What we found out in the 1890's and 1920's is that when too much money is concentrated at the top the whole economy tanks.
Yet, each rich person, acting in his or her own best interests, is compelled by capitalism to acquire as much money as possible.
Therefore it is up to society to prevent the eventual concentration of wealth, which is a basic precept of capitalism, from occurring.
Hence the idea that we need to save the rich from themselves.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.
Wow. Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the Founding Fathers just sent me a telegram for you from the grave:
"You know nothing about the American Dream."

 
Originally posted by: techs
What we found out in the 1890's and 1920's is that when too much money is concentrated at the top the whole economy tanks.
Yet, each rich person, acting in his or her own best interests, is compelled by capitalism to acquire as much money as possible.
Therefore it is up to society to prevent the eventual concentration of wealth, which is a basic precept of capitalism, from occurring.
Hence the idea that we need to save the rich from themselves.

Ahem:

At what point does "concentration" become "bad"? What should the concentration be? And then How does one change the concentration?
 
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.


QFT
x2
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.


I think finacial independance was the American dream at one time but now it's to win the lottery.

 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.

I think you've got history wrong. Starting in the 60s and topping out in the 70s the US was leaning heavily socialistic, and Reagan merely swung the pendulum back.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.

Excellent post sir.

Yeppers, Trickle Down Economics = Shit is what trickles down from the wealthy.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.


I think finacial independance was the American dream at one time but now it's to win the lottery.

Even so they won't trickle anything other than shit either.

A couple here just won $38 million. No one around here will ever see them again.

Off to Mexico they went.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yeppers, Trickle Down Economics = Shit is what trickles down from the wealthy.

How about earn your own living and quit expecting handouts from those more successful?

I swear I've never seen so many Communists on a message board. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.


I think finacial independance was the American dream at one time but now it's to win the lottery.

Even so they won't trickle anything other than shit either.

A couple here just won $38 million. No one around here will ever see them again.

Off to Mexico they went.


Good riddance. They were not Americans and I am glad they are gone. They should never be allowed to set foot in this country again.

You do realize your post intimates that we should only have a top tax rate equal to the lowest of any other country? Which is the reason Americans will soon be earning what Chinese workers make. Unless by then there are Africans willing to work for 20 cents an hour.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yeppers, Trickle Down Economics = Shit is what trickles down from the wealthy.

How about earn your own living and quit expecting handouts from those more successful?

I swear I've never seen so many Communists on a message board. :roll:

Thanks for making my point as usual.

The wealthy have made it so the non-wealthy cannot earn a living.

Call them Commies or whatever you want, they will take their country back from you.
 
A couple here just won $38 million. No one around here will ever see them again.

Off to Mexico they went.

Who wins $38M and goes TO Mexico? That place is a dump, geeze!

Which is the reason Americans will soon be earning what Chinese workers make.

No reason to think that at all. Find me a single nation that has, except when decimated by war, gone from being the wealthiest or near the top to a bottom rung (per capita) country in terms of economy?

The wealthy have made it so the non-wealthy cannot earn a living.

Living with you must be insufferable, you are so negative and so whiny, how do you do it?
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.

Interesting post sense.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Concentration of wealth leads to public dissatisfaction with it, which then leads to full on socialism, which then leads to collapse, which then leads to anarchy, which then leads to concentration of wealth. In America we were able to strike a good balanced wealth distribution to avoid the swings of the pendulum that many other countries experienced between oligarchy and socialism. That is until Reagan took over and started pushing the pendulum to one side, assuming of course that it will never swing back.

The pendulum point of stability is easily effected by a magnetic field that is placed to one side or the other.

In others words, handouts being required/expected.

 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.

That is perhaps the sickest, most disgusting and pitiable thing I have ever read.
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.

That is perhaps the sickest, most disgusting and pitiable thing I have ever read.

You must be a communist.

Americans believe in free markets and competition.

Which country will you move to which more closely mirrors your beliefs?
 
Ignoring all the "OMG, you guys are all communists" bullshit, I think there is a fairly easy to draw line...and it doesn't even require the assumption that acquisition of wealth is "bad".

Obviously things will never be equal, but past a certain point (that changes depending on many factors), the concentration of wealth means the AVERAGE person is getting poorer. The size of a consumer economy isn't a fixed number, of course, but the PERCENTAGE that any individual has of the economy can be determined. And if you have fewer people with a bigger piece of the pie, it logically follows that you have more people with smaller pieces. The end result is that no matter how much the economy grows, the folks who have less of the wealth than they used to are poorer even if they make more money.

This sounds a little like inflation, but it's not exactly the same thing...although the idea works pretty much the same way. Even if you adjust for inflation, a middle class salary in the 1970's was much closer to the higher end income than it is today...which means that the middle class in 1970 was (relatively) more wealthy than it is today. What's interesting is that this doesn't affect everyday things so much as it affects the kinds of things shared more between economic classes. College, for instance, is MUCH more expensive than it used to be. And as society changes, the RANGE of things we buy has increased, even if the overall price hasn't.

30 years ago, a man working any decent job, even if it was blue collar, could raise a family in most parts of the country on his income alone. Today, it's not uncommon for both parents to work to get enough money to raise a family, and they still have trouble making ends meet, even if they both work at good professional jobs. THAT'S the problem with income inequality, and why it's actually quite anti-capitalist. It discourages labor by decreasing the value derived from the majority of jobs. It's reasonable to have the dream of the big house with the big yard, but by concentrating wealth at the top end of the scale, that dream for many people is being replaced by the dream of being Bill Gates for a much smaller number of people. Motivation to be rich only works as long as it's a reasonable goal, and if the number of people in that bracket is shrinking, it doesn't matter if they are MORE rich, because most people can't reach that point.

And whining about "socialism" aside, even folks like Alan Greenspan admit this is a problem.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.

Well that's great, but unless you're teaching high school economics, the world doesn't really work like that. Broad platitudes are stupid no matter WHO'S making them. And in this case, the more you concentrate wealth, the fewer people there are that can reach the American dream.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like Concentration of Wealth is what we call freedom. The opposite of this is Communism. It should be the American Dream to make money.

That is perhaps the sickest, most disgusting and pitiable thing I have ever read.

Americans believe in free markets and competition.

Oh please. Where is any free market and competition left in America? 😕
 
Income inequality is only bad if you have a fixed pie, and a caste system where people are prevented from moving up and down freely. We don't have this today. America is still (at least somewhat) a free country. Government "solutions" to inequality only serve to reduce the freedoms we have left.
 
Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Income inequality is only bad if you have a fixed pie, and a caste system where people are prevented from moving up and down freely. We don't have this today. America is still (at least somewhat) a free country. Government "solutions" to inequality only serve to reduce the freedoms we have left.

Try paying attention.

Never heard of the ever growing wage Gap in the U.S.?

It is indeed a "Caste" system.
 
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