Concealed weapons on campus

[Q]

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is not a smart idea IMO. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Pulls out lawn chair and ice tea.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is just plain stupid. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

Edit - Not saying you're stupid, just try and use some common sense for a minute.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is just plain stupid. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

Edit - Not saying you're stupid, just try and use some common sense for a minute.

Oh I know the more effective way is to of course shoot the gunman, but if he comes into your class room, the tazer can reach him just fine. I just think having anybody be able to get a license is too dangerous.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is just plain stupid. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Oh I know the more effective way is to of course shoot the gunman, but if he comes into your class room, the tazer can reach him just fine. I just think having anybody be able to get a license is too dangerous.

First of all, not "anybody" can get a license to carry a gun. Second, what makes it "too dangerous" on campus, but perfectly safe everywhere else in the city?

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

OK well it doesn't have to be a tazer, whatever other non lethal weapon there is. (lol)

I'm in college now, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing someone is sitting in my classroom with a glock on their side. How would you feel if there was a really, really weird guy in one of your classes and he had one of those? Wouldn't that make you a little nervous?

Anywho, that was just my opinion, I'm not going to 'argue' anymore. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Pulls out lawn chair and ice tea.

Wuss

*Cracks open a beer*

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is just plain stupid. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

I go to UC and I fully support allowing concealed carrying. UC is smack in the middle of a bad neighbor hood. Map. To the west, east and south are bad neighborhoods. I get 2-3 emails a week from the UC police department about murders, robberies, and assaults around and on campus. It isn't a nice place.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm actually the Regional Director for the West with SCCC, I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Tasers aren't particularly effective weapons, and they aren't always non-lethal (as recent increasing incidents of resultant death indicate). Tasers are bulky, can only be fired once or twice, have very limited range, aren't as accurate as firearms, and are banned along with firearms at most universities so the point is moot anyway. After spending time in the military, a decade in security, and most of a decade working with law enforcement and community safety/security programs I'm fairly knowledgeable about this topic, but by all means feel free to research any of this information for yourself to receive confirmation about what I say.

 

[zoiks]

Outlaw guns for the public. Anyone caught would be shot down by the police. That'll do the trick.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is just plain stupid. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

Edit - Not saying you're stupid, just try and use some common sense for a minute.

Oh I know the more effective way is to of course shoot the gunman, but if he comes into your class room, the tazer can reach him just fine. I just think having anybody be able to get a license is too dangerous.

And yet it hasn't been dangerous. Not in more than 40 years of concealed carry, in 48 states now, with 1-4% of the eligible population carrying - it hasn't been dangerous at all. In fact, the ENORMOUS number of defensive gun uses every year by citizens versus the minimal (almost non-existent) number of accidents or negative incidents involving a licensee is overwhelming proof that it isn't dangerous at all. Especially when compared to the absolute death sentence a criminal mass shooter brings.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

OK well it doesn't have to be a tazer, whatever other non lethal weapon there is. (lol)

I'm in college now, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing someone is sitting in my classroom with a glock on their side. How would you feel if there was a really, really weird guy in one of your classes and he had one of those? Wouldn't that make you a little nervous?

Anywho, that was just my opinion, I'm not going to 'argue' anymore. I just thought it was interesting.

there is no non-lethal weapon that a college student could (easily) carry that would be effective. And it is concealed carry, so you don't have to see the "weird guy" with a gun on his hip.

Honestly, students are sitting ducks in every single college in this country, its as simple as that. There is nothing students can do short of bum rushing a shooter, its pretty sad.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Your username is PrinceofWands but your real name is Kristin?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

OK well it doesn't have to be a tazer, whatever other non lethal weapon there is. (lol)

I'm in college now, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing someone is sitting in my classroom with a glock on their side. How would you feel if there was a really, really weird guy in one of your classes and he had one of those? Wouldn't that make you a little nervous?

Anywho, that was just my opinion, I'm not going to 'argue' anymore. I just thought it was interesting.

I'd feel much safer knowing that someone was there who could act in our defense. Of course, if he was carrying then I could too, so I'd feel even that much better.

Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: JD50
The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

this one time these mafia guys wanted to kill me and they all had guns but i had a broken pool cue and i kicked all their asses

They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

i'll lobby to change that

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Your username is PrinceofWands but your real name is Kristin?

Yup.

And yes, I'm a guy.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Quintox

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."
art.studentgun.cnn.jpg

Michael Flitcraft says students should be allowed to protect themselves from potential killers.

Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old sophomore at the University of Cincinnati, has become a leading advocate for college students to carry weapons on campus. He's an organizer for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a grass-roots organization that was formed after last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 college students and professors dead.

The group boasts more than 25,000 members.

Standing on the Cincinnati campus, Flitcraft calmly explained he is licensed to carry a weapon in Ohio. He wants to carry his gun on campus to defend himself from potential killers, but by law he can't.

"To me it makes no sense that I can defend myself legally over there," he said, pointing to the city streets. "But I am a felon if I step on the grass over here."

Full story here

This is not a smart idea IMO. I think they should let them have a permit to carry tazers, or another non-lethal weapon. This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

So what's the difference between a CCW permit holder in a grocery store and in a University?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: JD50
The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

this one time these mafia guys wanted to kill me and they all had guns but i had a broken pool cue and i kicked all their asses

They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

i'll lobby to change that

Holy Sh*t Chuck Norris is a member here? Sorry that your boy Huckabee lost.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Ok, fair enough.

Now then...do you realize that licensed carriers are 5 times less likely to be involved in a violent crime than an average citizen? That's also less often than law enforcement officers (statistically). In other words there's no logical, factual, statistically supportable reason to be uncomfortable over persons with a license carrying.

People fear what they don't understand...therefore it's likely that you're uncomfortable because you don't understand that in reality concealed permit holders are significantly safer to be around than just about anyone else. The key to helping you feel more comfortable in life is to research the facts and come to understand the issues, so that you're no longer afraid/uncomfortable.

That's our main role in SCCC - educate the public.

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

how do you feel about driving with all of the dumbshits on the roads out there?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

Why?