Concealed Carry Class at Work Today

[pontifex]

Few weeks, I got mine in a few minutes. Checked the county sheriff's website, found the schedule for when they were visiting a local town. Went in, sat behind one other person. Filled out some paperwork they submitted for an instant background check. I got my pic taken and walked out with my freshly made card.

i got mine a few years ago so maybe it has changed since then?

 

[2Xtreme21]

I know guns are complicated and threatening weapons of mass destruction to some of you, but please step into adulthood with the rest of us and accept some personal responsibility. It's just a tool like many others. Anyone who can safely pump gas or change a flat tire can absolutely learn to safely use a firearm in about 15 minutes. If your parents decided to teach you an irrational fear of guns rather than basic firearm safety then blame them.

Are you anti-gun folks really so incompetent? I've had anti-gunners tell me they would never own a firearm "because I might get upset and do something stupid with the gun." People who believe that a firearm is too much for the average person to handle safely should themselves be banned from doing much more than picking their own nose.

I don't care if you like guns or not, but stop telling me that they are somehow too complicated and dangerous for me to use safely. I don't need anyone wiping my ass.

I never got this whole "guns are tools" thing. What means to end, other than ending a life, does a gun serve? You can't fix anything with it. It doesn't help you work on cars, or build anything. They're meant for one purpose only.

I personally respect your right to own a gun if that helps you get through your day to day life. I find it pretty pathetic that a weapon (it's NOTHING else) seems to be something you can't live without. I mean, what's your logic? "I need the ability to end the life of someone or something should I deem it necessary."

Tell that to your God.

 

[spidey07]

I never got this whole "guns are tools" thing. What means to end, other than ending a life, does a gun serve? You can't fix anything with it. It doesn't help you work on cars, or build anything. They're meant for one purpose only.

I personally respect your right to own a gun if that helps you get through your day to day life. I find it pretty pathetic that a weapon (it's NOTHING else) seems to be something you can't live without. I mean, what's your logic? "I need the ability to end the life of someone or something should I deem it necessary."

Tell that to your God.

Or you can tell it to the group that breaks into your home and kills you and your family for fun.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Or you can tell it to the group that breaks into your home and kills you and your family for fun.

Point? How does that change mine or the underlying purpose of a firearm regardless of the user?

Read and comprehend, not kneejerk reaction, sluggo.

 

[spidey07]

Point? How does that change mine or the underlying purpose of a firearm regardless of the user?

Read and comprehend, not kneejerk reaction, sluggo.

I was pointing out it's still a tool. A self defense tool.

 

[2Xtreme21]

I was pointing out it's still a tool. A self defense tool.

Is the purpose not to end the life of the home invader? A gun is meant for ending a life in the same way a saw is meant for cutting things. It's what they were invented to do.

I'm in no way arguing the situational principles of it, but rather pointing out to those of you who deem it's as useful as shoes are to their day-to-day life, that it's meant for one purpose. And a firearm wielder is carrying because s/he feels it's necessary for THEM to be the one to choose whether someone or something lives or dies regardless of any preceding actions. (edit)

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Like a car or an airplane or a surgeon's scalpel! :thumbsup:

Or a computer or, or a telephone, or a frying pan, or a knife. Want me to continue?
If I buy a product, I don't have to be certified in using it. It might break your delicate sensitivities to find out that many people buy firearms without ever having used one before.

 

[torpid]

Is the purpose not to end the life of the home invader? A gun is meant for ending a life in the same way a saw is meant for cutting things. It's what they were invented to do.

I'm in no way arguing the situational principles of it, but rather pointing out to those of you who deem it's as useful as shoes are to their day-to-day life, that it's meant for one purpose. And a firearm wielder is carrying because s/he feels it's necessary for THEM to be the one to choose whether someone or something lives or dies regardless of any preceding actions. (edit)

Your argument makes no sense to me, especially in the context of the OP. Supposedly, OP works for the Army and there are significant safety concerns there. Seems to me that it has little to do with defending the home. Similarly, anyone who goes after people in an Army office likely are armed, so it's not necessarily about wanting to choose who lives or dies as much as wanting to prevent his/her own death, ostensibly.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

They should, but not all do. Those are the ones who "ruin it" for everyone else. Learning to shoot is not hard nor is it all to time-demanding. If you're planning on carrying a weapon, you should know how to use it (same as learning to drive before getting your license).

It only makes sense and I can't believe it's not a requirement.

I'll agree that people need to learn about firearms and how to handle them and be safe with them, but living in a free society has it's risks.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I fire weapons for a living, and certainly am not anti-gun. I'm anti-idiot, those who don't have the decency to take a proper course which teaches them how to aim and fire a weapon safely.

You might not need help, but all the cases of negligent discharge resulting in injury or death need addressing.

So how much training do you professionals get? Are you the only one professional enough in this thread to handle a Glock Fortay?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Point? How does that change mine or the underlying purpose of a firearm regardless of the user?

Read and comprehend, not kneejerk reaction, sluggo.

You should read and comprehend. there are lots of guns designed soley for the purpose of target shooting. The designers never intend them to be used to kill anything. Look at the guns used in the olympics. You think those are designed to kill people?

Get over your fear of an object, and start fearing people that would use an object, be it a gun, knife, bomb, airplane, ect to kill you.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Your argument makes no sense to me, especially in the context of the OP. Supposedly, OP works for the Army and there are significant safety concerns there. Seems to me that it has little to do with defending the home. Similarly, anyone who goes after people in an Army office likely are armed, so it's not necessarily about wanting to choose who lives or dies as much as wanting to prevent his/her own death, ostensibly.

He's the type that would rather have us live in fear and think the police will save us.
You know what, when it comes down to deciding who lives and who dies. I'm going to use whatever I can to make sure I live and the other person dies. It's a simple as that.

 

[Alone]

So how much training do you professionals get? Are you the only one professional enough in this thread to handle a Glock Fortay?

I'm qualified to handle the weapons that I am required to handle. I'm not saying others don't know how to handle weapons, simply that there's an overwhelming number of people who seem not to have any experience, and just decided to go buy one.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You should read and comprehend. there are lots of guns designed soley for the purpose of target shooting. The designers never intend them to be used to kill anything. Look at the guns used in the olympics. You think those are designed to kill people?

Get over your fear of an object, and start fearing people that would use an object, be it a gun, knife, bomb, airplane, ect to kill you.

Sure there are a number of guns that were designed for that purpose but to argue that a gun is not a weapon is idiotic. Guns were designed to kill the enemy. That was their entire purpose since the invention of gun powder. Also, I bet if you counted up all the guns designed and manufactured (and in circulation at present) for target shooting and compared that number to the number of guns designed and manufactured (and in circulation at present) as lethal weapons for defensive/offensive purposes (read killing people/animals and yes, I'm going to include military firearms in my statistics) you'd have statistics something like this:

Target shooting: 0.1%
Lethal Weapon: 99.9%

2Xtreme21 has made an interesting and valid point and, as usual, you've done nothing but attack with your usual venom toward anyone who doesn't agree 100% with you. I don't see why you can't acknowledge the purpose of the "tools" you defend so vehemently.

 

[torpid]

2Xtreme21 has made an interesting and valid point and, as usual, you've done nothing but attack with your usual venom toward anyone who doesn't agree 100% with you. I don't see why you can't acknowledge the purpose of the "tools" you defend so vehemently.

Regardless of the specific purpose which likely does revolve around injuring or killing other mammals (be they human or otherwise) or the threat of such, I think we can all agree that the purpose is not what 2Xtreme21 claimed in some of his posts (only for defending one's home, only for people who want to have control over the life of others).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Regardless of the specific purpose which likely does revolve around injuring or killing other mammals (be they human or otherwise) or the threat of such, I think we can all agree that the purpose is not what 2Xtreme21 claimed in some of his posts (only for defending one's home, only for people who want to have control over the life of others).

A gun is a weapon. A deadly weapon. By design it was made to discharge bullets at a leathal rate. It isn't a snow shovel, or a chainsaw, or a kitchen knife, or a vase...nor should it be compared to these things. Its purpose is to kill or maim with great efficiency. Anyone who owns or uses a gun, even in self-defense, has to be prepared for the consequences of doing so and the consequences are death.

I've owned guns for almost 20 years and I've never had to use one to defend anything but I don't kid myself that they are simply tools. They are deadly weapons. There is no disputing this.

 

[surfsatwerk]

I've owned guns for almost 20 years and I've never had to use one to defend anything but I don't kid myself that they are simply tools. They are deadly weapons everybody knows this.

:\ I miss TFP.

 

[torpid]

A gun is a weapon. A deadly weapon. By design it was made to discharge bullets at a leathal rate. It isn't a snow shovel, or a chainsaw, or a kitchen knife, or a vase...nor should it be compared to these things. Its purpose is to kill or maim with great efficiency. Anyone who owns or uses a gun, even in self-defense, has to be prepared for the consequences of doing so and the consequences are death.

I've owned guns for almost 20 years and I've never had to use one to defend anything but I don't kid myself that they are simply tools. They are deadly weapons. There is no disputing this.

Correct. Now go read some of the statements made by 2Xtreme21 and tell me that you think they are logical. He is making blanket statements about why people purchase guns that don't hold up to scrutiny. There are a large number of reasons to buy a gun. A gun may be made for the purpose you describe but that doesn't mean that the only reason someone would buy one is because they want to "kill or maim" another human being (or even any living creature) with great efficiency. Aside from things like target-shooting rifles, there are plenty of people who buy guns with absolutely no intention of harming any living creature with them.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Careful there skippy, all my friends are yuppies and they all own guns.

BTW-That dolt with the shotgun looks like he's about to say, "you got a purty mouth boy." 😛

fuck yuppies.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Yeah guns kill. What's your point? Guns have legitimate hunting uses, which IMHO is a more humane way of getting meat than the grocery store.

Guns can kill people too. If somebody wants to kill me with a gun, I would much rather have a gun myself to attempt to kill him first. You're damn right I am going to shoot to kill somebody who is threatening my life. There is absolutely no reason not to prefer my own life over somebody elses, who as it so happens, is trying to kill me. Would I love to live in a world where we all get along, there are no wars, and we can all ride pretty little ponies? Sure (except for the ponies part, I don't like ponies). Unfortunately we don't, nor will we in my lifetime. What is reality and does happen in my lifetime is people die from others killing them with guns. If I have a chance, no matter how slim, to be able to stay alive (even at the expense of another life) then I am going to take that chance. I don't want to ever be in that situation, and hope I never am. If I am unlucky enough to be in that situation in my life though, I would rather be as prepared as possible for it.

 

[Nebor]

I never got this whole "guns are tools" thing. What means to end, other than ending a life, does a gun serve? You can't fix anything with it. It doesn't help you work on cars, or build anything. They're meant for one purpose only.

I personally respect your right to own a gun if that helps you get through your day to day life. I find it pretty pathetic that a weapon (it's NOTHING else) seems to be something you can't live without. I mean, what's your logic? "I need the ability to end the life of someone or something should I deem it necessary."

Tell that to your God.

One time a vicious storm blew into our camp site at Lake Texoma. The tarp we had secured over our camp was ripped up into the air, holding on by one rope tied around a tree, which had slid up the tree (dragged by the wind filled tarp) way out of reach. So here's a tarp, hanging\blowing from a giant tree, secured by a rope that's 30-40 ft in the air.

Out comes my H&K USP Tactical with it's gemtech suppressor, 4 (pretty lucky) rounds later, the rope was severed and we managed to chase down the tarp.

Gun as tool, done.

 

[ichy]

none of this should be required at all, 2nd amendment and all...

"Well regulated" militia.

I'm pro-concealed carry, but I have no problem with requiring a basic class to make sure people know things like when it's legal to use a firearm.

 

[hanoverphist]

Is the purpose not to end the life of the home invader? A gun is meant for ending a life in the same way a saw is meant for cutting things. It's what they were invented to do.

if i didnt have a gun available, or if it were someone that didnt believe in using guns had been in the home invasion situation, they may be inclined to pick up a baseball bat and swing away. you can kill an intruder just as dead with a bat or a knife, but there arent huge masses of people saying we need to get rid of those.

back in 99 i did a bunch of research for a college paper on firearm safety. at that point the data was a couple years old, and i was very surprised to find that with all the firearm death statistics, everything was included. accidental, homicide, suicide as well as injuries. this was a govt sponsored stat site too. i was also very surprised to find that the amount of deaths due to "blunt object force" was much higher than the firearms numbers.

One time a vicious storm blew into our camp site at Lake Texoma. The tarp we had secured over our camp was ripped up into the air, holding on by one rope tied around a tree, which had slid up the tree (dragged by the wind filled tarp) way out of reach. So here's a tarp, hanging\blowing from a giant tree, secured by a rope that's 30-40 ft in the air.

Out comes my H&K USP Tactical with it's gemtech suppressor, 4 (pretty lucky) rounds later, the rope was severed and we managed to chase down the tarp.

Gun as tool, done.

weird, id have pulled out either my pocket knife with half serrated blade, or my hunting knife and cut the rope in seconds. right tool for the job and all that :biggrin:


while firearms are weapons, they are also tools. arguing that they are one or the other exclusively is like saying your foot is only good for running on, not for holding things down.

 

[Nebor]

weird, id have pulled out either my pocket knife with half serrated blade, or my hunting knife and cut the rope in seconds. right tool for the job and all that :biggrin:

So you're like 40 feet tall?

 

[JulesMaximus]

fuck yuppies.

Fuck redneck nascar watching wife beating thugs.